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Funny anti-religious Internet pics

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bankside said:
johaninsc said:
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These really are great...
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This one is wide open to interpretation -- like, it could be showing that a dog without someone leading him steps right out into a street to be killed.
 
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That's one of the stupidest things Dawkins has ever said. He darned well knows that the very branch of science he's in got its start from devout Christians doing exactly what they found in the Bible: seeking to know God's ways.

Or are we expected to believe he never heard of such figures as Mendel or van Leeuwenhoek?
 
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Stardreamer said:
But certain of the fundamentalist churches are not that way. They teach a philosophy that the individual must study the Bible and reach his own understanding. That is why you can have some churches accepting homosexuality and some not. Its why you can have a Westboro Baptist church because the individual congregations decide what is the truth and not a central church authority.
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Even the Bile says to do that -- its greatest compliment in the New Testament is given to people who didn't take Paul at his word, but did their own thinking about it.

It's why some of the greatest scholars in the world on many subjects are found in religious garb.
 
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belamo said:
For example..?
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Fr. Georges Lemaitre was one. And there are Jesuit physicists who have worked at CERN/LHC. Additionally, there are living Nobel science award recipients who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other religions -- a whole batch of Jewish ones, in fact, something which drives Richard Dawkins up a wall.
 
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star-warrior said:
Is Allah and Yaweh the one and the same?
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Kulindahr said:
Given the irreconcilability of the two sets of purported revelation probably not.
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They may as well be... the Christians plagiarized a lot of the other Pagan religions that predated them and made them their own too.

I've always been under the impression/understanding Adam and Eve, Jonah and the Whale, Noah and the Ark, ... numerous others... were stories stolen from earlier Mesopotamian + religions.
 
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Kulindahr said:
Given the irreconcilability of the two sets of purported revelation probably not.
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How then can you reconcile that followers of each religion claim their supreme being is the true and only creator? If there is only one, the believers of the other religion are damned by their reading of their own scriptures.
 
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borg69unimatrix said:
They may as well be... the Christians plagiarized a lot of the other Pagan religions that predated them and made them their own too.

I've always been under the impression/understanding Adam and Eve, Jonah and the Whale, Noah and the Ark, ... numerous others... were stories stolen from earlier Mesopotamian + religions.
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I knew an atheist professor of ancient near eastern studies who argued that in the case of the Deluge story, the Noah version is derived directly from an original that is actually behind all the others. One of his points was that its Ark would actually have floated in a way that would keep passengers alive in a serious flood. I missed the chance to hear him present his case jointly with a Jesuit scholar who had reached the same conclusion.

He was of the "Mediterranean broke through and formed the Black Sea" school.


As for Christian plagiarism, there's a New Testament notion of taking captive everything for Christ, which drive the early church to adapt anything and everything that fit... sometimes without a lot of thought put into it, sometimes with serious political motives mixed in.
 
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star-warrior said:
How then can you reconcile that followers of each religion claim their supreme being is the true and only creator? If there is only one, the believers of the other religion are damned by their reading of their own scriptures.
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I considered that when looking at claimants to be actual revelation from a Creator. In my judgment, the louder the claim that all others are damned merely for thinking differently is a mark against a claimant, or for it, depending on how it is presented. After all, if there is only one true revelation, it will have to state that it is, while OTOH it's human nature to take even a partial revelation or a poorly perceived one and elevate it to being "the one and only".

But damned merely for reading their own scriptures? That's a wild fundamentalist sort of claim, and one that can only be poorly supported from the Bible. After all, given that the Bible says that God shows Himself in His creation, and that every single item in Creation expresses the nature of God the Son, it's impossible for truth NOT to pop up elsewhere.

It's interesting that among Christian institutions, the one that most acknowledges that fact is Rome... which still makes the most exclusivist claims.
 
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Kulindahr said:
I considered that when looking at claimants to be actual revelation from a Creator. In my judgment, the louder the claim that all others are damned merely for thinking differently is a mark against a claimant, or for it, depending on how it is presented. After all, if there is only one true revelation, it will have to state that it is, while OTOH it's human nature to take even a partial revelation or a poorly perceived one and elevate it to being "the one and only".

But damned merely for reading their own scriptures? That's a wild fundamentalist sort of claim, and one that can only be poorly supported from the Bible. After all, given that the Bible says that God shows Himself in His creation, and that every single item in Creation expresses the nature of God the Son, it's impossible for truth NOT to pop up elsewhere.

It's interesting that among Christian institutions, the one that most acknowledges that fact is Rome... which still makes the most exclusivist claims.
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If Jesus is the gateway to God's holy kingdom, and you don't accept that, then by that aren't you damned for not believing? Despite all the good deeds a person had made and done during his lifetime, if God does not receive the praise and worship for being the creator, then that poor soul is damned is he not? So, Buddhists for example, they neither worship your god or his various supposed incarnations. They are outside the scope of the Abrahamic religions, by the reckoning of biblical scholarship, they are not welcomed to the promiseland are they?
 
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Kulindahr said:
I knew an atheist professor of ancient near eastern studies who argued that in the case of the Deluge story, the Noah version is derived directly from an original that is actually behind all the others. One of his points was that its Ark would actually have floated in a way that would keep passengers alive in a serious flood. I missed the chance to hear him present his case jointly with a Jesuit scholar who had reached the same conclusion.

He was of the "Mediterranean broke through and formed the Black Sea" school.


As for Christian plagiarism, there's a New Testament notion of taking captive everything for Christ, which drive the early church to adapt anything and everything that fit... sometimes without a lot of thought put into it, sometimes with serious political motives mixed in.
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My mostly uneducated theory is, the land mass between Spain and Morocco broke through with the rising sea levels of the last major ice age and caused a tsunami in the Mediterranean sea. Some merchant selling indigenous live stock (goats, chickens, pigs, cows...?) had a few of each who used the sea as transportation got lucky and survived... the story has been embellished since from all the uneducated superstitious people who lived there at the time making the flood global, the animals world wide, and the "Ark" much bigger than it really was.

Of course surviving such a disaster surely was miraculous, and would have required prior help/knowledge from "God".
 
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^^ Almost every culture around the world has a flood myth, all the way from Mesopotamia to northern China, to the Aztecs in Central America. It probably has little to do with history and more to do with a common, very human fear. I highly recommend David Adams Leeming's THE WORLD OF MYTH for an excellent analysis.

The story is ubiquitous. And the Hebrew version is no more historical than any of the others.
 
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Jacquemar said:
^^ Almost every culture around the world has a flood myth, all the way from Mesopotamia to northern China, to the Aztecs in Central America. It probably has little to do with history and more to do with a common, very human fear. I highly recommend David Adams Leeming's THE WORLD OF MYTH for an excellent analysis.

The story is ubiquitous. And the Hebrew version is no more historical than any of the others.
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I agree. And Every major culture has lived predominantly near the sea for food and transportation, and has at some point encountered a tsunami, which from their perspective would feel very global.
 
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Almost every culture of the world has a flood history,​ not just a myth. A flood is a memorable big deal.

In north america we have some spectacular post-glacial flood features carved out in the landscape from giant ice dams holding back great-lakes-sized volumes of water suddenly giving way. I'm sure a flood filling the Black Sea would be a memorable one long after any accurate record of facts would be lost or distorted over the centuries.

The question is whether this was the result of divine annoyance or the routine erosion of rock at what is now the Bosphorus Strait.
 
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