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Effortless_Pro said:
Like that word "Bareesta[sp?]" you know that thing they call the workers at starbucks.
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Ah... so it's the same?

trying to come up with a pretentious name when "drone" would work just fine?


(and before anyone gets pissed at me, I worked at Harvey's in Canada... so I've been there and still have the staff shirt.)
 
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Soilwork said:
My Last word on the subject.

If we allow the Evangelical Christians, Nazis, Republicans and Homophobes to get us to equate the word "gay" SO much with bath houses, glory holes and drugs that we refuse to call ourselves "gay", they've won. And we've lost.

In the 90s, people started to try to use "queer" instead of "gay". It never relly caught on.

But that was supposed to unite us... "Lesbian, gay, and bi" are all "Queer.

This "g0y" thing is all about separating ourselves from people we look down on.. they're too effeminate and they have sex in a way I don't like.. so I'm not going to even use the same word as they do.


Well my friend....... the word gay is equated with bath houses, glory holes, and drugs..... cannot be helped man. That is the legacy that gay guys from the 70's - 80's left us.
And although it is a stereotype that is what remains in the minds of most Americans, gay or straight.
And iit is not the Christians, Republicans, or anyone else.... Fact is the streotype is probably due more to the mainstream media than anyone else. The stories that were run in Time magaine, shown on ABC News, all the other main media places emphasized all that part of gay life.
I was appalled by it all man.... fact is that is why millions of gay guys never came out in those years I think.
Just look at when Gay Pride parades started, all the local news would focus on the wierdness going on.... and I don't mean in coastal cities. I mean in places like where I grew up Salt Lake City, cities that didn't have large and active gay populations. It was emabarrasing to see the stuff guys were doing shown on the local news.. Of course it was the news media showing the sensational..... they never did a story about how the Log Cabin Republicans were donating to charity.....
But that was years ago Jasun. Last few years the coverage is good.... At least where I live.
One final thing man.... I'm a bit older than you and the term gay was not in use. When I was a kid, guys like us were referred to as fairies, queers, fags, and homos..... those were the gentle terms.... just hearing them I knew I didn't want to be one of those guys..... so I always kept everything hidden inside. Millions more like me I'm sure.
You may wish all of us to be as outspoken as you are man.... not going to happen. If I were king of the sexual world I would surely have things I'd wish for with gay guys.... less promsicuity, more openess, etc..... but man, neither of us have that title, rank or authority.

Tony has spoken..... :D
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Funny thing is that I'm not really "outspoken."

I worked at Fratmen for three weeks before me being gay came up, and it wasn't even me trying to tell them.. I thought they knew. We were talking about dogs, and I just mentioned how my BF and I had broken up, he was still living in Canada and how he had custody of my dog. It was a bit of a topic that they all thought I was straight for a minute and then we moved on.

It doesn't get talked about much at all, because it doesn't matter. But then I don't come to work to discuss gay issues. I can come here for that. Maybe it's why so many people here think it's all I wanna talk about.

Yes, maybe 30 years ago, people had a reason to not want to be called "gay"

Even today I get it... I chastize people for saying "that's so gay" when they mean lame, and I get told to chill out. Fuck it. No.

When we allow "gay" to mean anything other than a word that describes what we are, we get what we've got now... young guys who invent unpronouncable words (I'm guessing so they don't have to say them out loud?) to mean the same thing only different.

Sorry.. but you can only blame the news for so long before you have to admit that you yourself equate "gay" with a travelling freak show because you allow yourself to be dictated to by those who would hold you down.

I'm not going out like that.
 
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Soilwork said:
... I chastize people for saying "that's so gay" when they mean lame, and I get told to chill out.
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I do the exact same thing. It has caused "tense" moments in the past with my family - when my nieces were younger (just becoming teenagers), a couple of them would say "That is so gay" - and I would have to point out that it's not a nice thing to say. Their parents always gave me a pained look as if to say, "they're too young to be getting this lecture"...

Right. Meanwhile I had to be the one to set them straight (no pun intended) when their parents should have had the balls to do it from the very first time they heard such a repugnant expression.

You see now, if even children use the term "gay" as a put-down, how entrenched it is in our society?

When we can dispense with words and labels to define people at all, we will have matured as a society.

Rant over.
 
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Never heard of it, but going by the definition, I guess I qualify.
 
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Oh, I just blogged about it so I suppose I can expand on my previous comment:

In some ways, I can identify with it, some ways not. I prefer not to label myself at all.

Am I offended by stereotypes? Yes. Do I want to avoid them? Yes. Do I dislike the stigma that defines the "gay community"? Yep, I even dislike the stigma that defines bisexuals. It's why I prefer not to be labelled as either (bi if you absolutely have to, "pansexual" is a bit more all-encompassing but as I said, I don't like labels). Do I dislike male/female roles? I dislike anything/anyone that makes you choose either you are one thing or you aren't. Do I disagree with anal sex? I'm honestly not a big fan of it.

So am I? "Sort of"? Still not a yes, so that'd be a no.
 
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g0y sounds even faggier than gay. but all the self loathing fags should call themselves g0y... it would make it easier for gay men to know who to avoid. :)
 
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Remember back in the Eighties when Barbra Streisand was dating Don Johnson, and everyone referred to him as her "goy boy toy?"
 
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Hollisterdude, I'm afraid that it's you that will eventually get it.

Yes, one day you will see that the only way the gay community will ever get anywhere, or for that matter has ever GOTTEN anywhere is to stick together. It's the leathermen who stand with the drag queens, the bikers who stand with the gogo dancers.

The Accountants who are Christian gay bikers and the doctors who do some gogo dancing for fun on the weekend.

We didn't get as far as we've gotten (and trust me, in my life time, the gay community has gotten VERY FAR) by refusing to stand together. Our rights are not slowly diminishing.. at all.. in the last few years, the gay community has finally cleared gay sex from the law books.. we can no longer get thrown in jail for being gay, and we didn't do it by pretending we weren't gay.

Fancy that.

By relinquishing the word "gay" and just saying "Well.. I just like sex with guys but I'm not GAY or anything" you're going to just turn us into another invisible minority that nobody cares about or worse.. fears.

Yes, we do need people outside our community to be our allies in this fight, but the way to get those allies isn't to attempt to blend in with the wall paper. It's to stand up for yourself and gain the respect of others, and the only way to do that is to make yourself seen.




Besides.. sorry, dude, you're gay. Just like I'm short and bald. Using words like "$hort" or "B@ld" isn't going to change the fact that I'm five foot six and have no hair. I've learned to see that it's much better to accept what you are than fight it every inch of the way.. you're only fooling yourself and not getting any respect from the outside world for it.
 
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And will you please stop saying that because I'm gay that I'm a supporter of promiscuity and barebacking?

You're REALLY pissing me off.
 
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Here's an interesting explanation (and they even have their own Yahoo Groups!):

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018120515AAkDJ6e

What is g0y?

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You've asked a very interesting and controversial question. As you have already noted there many opinions of what a G0Y is and their true essence. Some are negative, others are based upon rumors and inadequate information. I'm a G0Y, and I'm not hung up on some insecurity, afraid to be identified as a gay male; homophobic, or any other uneducated views on the subject.

In essence; a majority of G0YZ are single male men; you are attractive to other males that don't consider themselves as gay. Their physical attraction stems from being able to comfort another guy; via holding hands, hugs, body massages, male docking; and what is known as frotage. Anal sex; is forbidden!

One other imperative factor; is that G0YZ for the most part have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior of their personal lives. Many attend church on a regular bases, and read their Bibles. I think what's really special about being G0Y; is that you can maintain your masculinity by not gender-bending and are very discreate with their buds! G0YZ celebrate the masculinity form of males.

Overall; G0YZ don't kiss and tell. Therefore, it would interesting to learn how those who are not G0Y, know what they do behind close doors. Sure there is reading material posted on the net, but how would you; or could you generalize someone else's intimacy; without revealing negative aspects of your own character. Check out the following websites for more a more informative and truth revealing of G0Y.

Note: the Hebrew (Jews) term is not spelled G0Y; but goy with an zero not,"o".

Sources:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GayAndHatingIt/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExGayMale-100percentG0Y/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Guys_into_Guys_but_N0T_gAys/
 
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One more link:

G0YS (Spelled with a ZER0) are guys who find men physically & emotionally attractive, but (for whatever reason) are offended with the stigmas that currently define the 'gay community' in the public psyche.
http://g0ys.org/
 
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Most of my sexual partners have never understood them selves to be gay. Rather they preferred to focus on the relationship, and leave the labelling to those who created their life according to the expectations of those who believe that being gay is being all that the gay scene expects from those who frequent the gay scene. In other words the gay scene moulding the man, rather than the man moulding himself.

Idealism has a place on this board without the need for the idealist to face abuse, as a result of being courageous enough to offer an unpopular view. However, the idealist might also be viewed as an abuser of his perceptions in assuming that his view on life should be accepted by others, merely because it makes good sense to him. The individualist can appear out of place on a board that revels in its apparent togetherness. I say apparent togetherness, for the human being's strength lies in its willingness to recognise that in our many differences we can share the strengths that these differences reveal.

This board is highly informative, if only because of its openness to all opinions that should be offered with respect for all who do not share our understandings.
 
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THere's no ONE GAY SCENE.

There's just as many facets to the gay community as there are the straight community, and no amount of deluded self-haters who call themselves g0y, go to church, forbid anal sex and spend their time going on about how masculine they are is going to chang the fact that we're all gay.

Someone who's gay who comes up with a new word because they don't wanna be lumped in with peopel they they they're above isn't an "idealist". There's a lot of words I'd use to describe them like "coward", "ass hat", "Lame-tard", "Dork", "loser" and "stupid". "Idealist" isn't one of them.
 
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The phrase "Have your cake and eat it, too" comes to mind:

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The impression that Mike conveys might entail us assuming that he is aloof from the rank and file or the hoi polloi. He is merely proposing that his take on being homosexual is not compatible with the life of many gay men, who choose to self destruct as a result of their freely chosen choice to be absorbed by the predictable understandings of the gay scene.
 
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I also note in Mike's profile that he describes himself as being Hispanic. Hispanics are by nature very conservative and this does impact on the way that many Hispanics view life. We Greeks are similar, in that we choose to be discreet enough to where our relationships matter much more than the labelling that normally convicts most of us into being something that fails to describe who we really are.
 
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THERE IS NO ONE GAY SCENE.

OK, fuck I'm getting annoyed, and it's a Saturday Morning. I haven't had my coffee yet, so I'm not responsible for this rant.

I'm so sick of weak-kneed men who are so scared to have someone think THEY are the frozen chosen. One of those websites says that the "g0y" movement makes the PC people all in a tizzy and makes "regular" guys beathe a sigh of relief.

OK, far be it from me to point this out, but I'm a regular guy. I'm just one who's not so scared of words that I need to invent an unpronounceable one to describe what I am.

Virtually all of my friends and aquaintences are ALSO just regular guys and no amount of telling me that "Gay = barbacking and drag" is going to change the fact that most gay men are just regular guys who aren't all uptight about what other gay guys are doing.

Groups like that just feed people's neurosis and delusions. If you don't like anal sex.. don't do it. I'm much more into oral sex.. I very seldom fuck.. but it doesn't mean I'm any less gay than anyone else.

MAN, I'm getting ready to grab my whooping stick.
 
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