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g0ys.org (Thoughts)

Re: g0y?

I don't understand the need for a new label. If you're male and you suck cocks you're gay. Face it! If you just like the company of a certain guy you're friends. If you kiss, masturbate, exchange blowjobs then you're gay. Being gay, straight or bisexual is about the sexual attraction you have to a person of your own sex, or the opposite sex or both. It has nothing to do with what you do in bed. A man who likes getting fisted is not a lot gayer than one who likes men to give them blow jobs. They're both gay.

I hope no one is thinking society (most of which can't tolerate two men kissing in public) is going to feel "g0ys" are more acceptable than "gays" because they don't have anal sex.
 
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GAY is not a fucking label :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

If you have sex with men you are gay, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. You can't have sex with men but say you don't go along with the whole gay thing. You're a self-hating fag who will hopefully wake up one day and realize the harm that your attitude actually does to ALL OF US.
 
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my point of view is g0ys just a way of syaing your not part of the sterotype that some people see being gay as. there isnt any harm in it at all.
But guess what...now the "g0ys" have a new stereotype. There is the "stereotypical g0y". They avoid the stereotype associated with gays, but create a brand new one for themselves (or rather, it is created by other people).
 
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my point of view is g0ys just a way of syaing your not part of the sterotype that some people see being gay as. there isnt any harm in it at all.

When you say you're not part of the stereotype you are actually validating the stereotype's existence.

The harm is that calling oneself a g0y discriminates against a lot of people. It would mean I don't want people to think I'm a nelly or effeminate because I don't want to be associated with them. Or I don't want people to think I like getting butt fucked because i think that's an abomination. When I should really want people to realize that there's nothing wrong with being effeminate or anal sex or watersports or whatever. Saying I'm g0y is ultimately saying I like men, but I'm not one of those freaks who take it up the ass.

Our true goal should be to tolerate what other people do. Eliminate the labels. I should not have to introduce myself as "Claudio, I act straight but I love giving head, and only occasionally get buttfucked". I should just be Claudio and nobody give a damn if I like men, women or ferrets much less what I do in bed with them. The more labels we create the more we discriminate.
 
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I am calling for breaking past stereotypes, building bridges with straights, and recognizing that in the end we all are looking for the same things: love, acceptance, tolerance, freedom, and equality.


YOU are calling for a breaking past stereotypes?

the one who says "gay" means sex in bath houses and rimming and sexual perversion?

Man, are you even listening to yourself?

How are we supposed to "break past stereotypes" when we constantly box people up like that. When you meet a straight person and they ask you if you have a girlfriend, and you say no, I have a boyfrined, and they say "oh.. I didn't realize that you were gay" and you say "Well, no.,. I'm not.. gay people lick each other's butt holes and suck strange men's cocks", how does that break stereotypes?




OK, I'm done.

I'm going to visit my brother.
 
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no if someone says there g0y, they could just be saying plain and simple they dont like arse stuff, i mean just because they dont likwe it themselves, doesnt mean they think its an 'abomination' or anything bad.

And just because they dont want to be part of the sterotype gay person doesnt make them bad or owt. they realise that theres a certain gay sterotpye, and they just dont want to be part of it. doesnt mean for one second they hate it or are against it.
 
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no if someone says there g0y, they could just be saying plain and simple they dont like arse stuff, i mean just because they dont likwe it themselves, doesnt mean they think its an 'abomination' or anything bad.
This far, I get it. But in that case, g0y is a gay guy who doesn't like anything anal. Just like we have some rare exclusive "tops" and "bottoms", I guess we have some gay guys that are neither, ever. So this part only describes what you like, what you don't, fair enough (but this isn't separating anyone from the term "gay" yet).

In the other part of claiming to be "g0y" you ARE saying "I like men, but I'm not like THOSE gay guys". I'm Canadian, but I'm not a huge (kind of macho) hockey fan. I'm not going to invent a new word just because whenever I go to the US and mention I'm Canadian I get asked about hockey....even though I don't consider being a stereotypical Canadian hockey fan a bad thing.
 
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You know what? By this logic, I hereby proclaim that I'm no longer white. You know why? Because some white people play golf, and I don't play golf, therefore I can't possibly be white. So from here on, I declare myself..."whyte".

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

I can't stop laughing. That is great.

I guess I'm a whyte guy too... who knew there were so many of us
 
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nah your getting it wrong. people who call themselves g0y dont want to be in the gay sterotype. theres nothing wrong with that. if you think people saying that they dont want to do arse stuff and dont want to be all camp and effminete, is wrong, then your going to have a big problem, because theres alot of gay people who dont liek arse stuff and alot of them who arnt all effeminate. and g0y is obviously just a easier way of saying that with out saying 'i dont like arse stuff and im not effeimete' everytime.
 
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The gay guys who feel the need to proclaim their masculinity tend to be the biggest flamers. Just my experience. And why would you go around telling strangers whether you like anal sex or not? :confused:
 
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There are dozens of types of people in every "group", and I think anybody with common sense knows that.

yeah and g0y is just one type. i dont see why you see it as such an offence to have it. people say they want things equal but they cant be when all you get is bitching within your on group.
 
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You know what? By this logic, I hereby proclaim that I'm no longer white. You know why? Because some white people play golf, and I don't play golf, therefore I can't possibly be white. So from here on, I declare myself..."whyte."
This is exactly what I was talking about: you cannot change yourself to fit other people's expectations, because other people's expectations are infinite and impossible. And frequently they are ignorant. Should I stop being white because the KKK is white? Should I change my last name because I don't approve of my brother's lifestyle? Should I pretend to be a Republican because the Republicans are in power right now?

Hollisterdude, I admire your convictions, but I doubt your ideal: where in the course of human history has your strategy ever worked? I mean, aside from various fascist movements? (none of which survived very long) Insinuating yourself into the mainstream by hiding your face is sinister and dishonest. "Effecting change from within" is nearly impossible because you forget what you went inside for and become your own enemy.

What I wish to see, and what I work for, is an acceptance based on numbness on the part of those skirt-clutching old maids who feel that people who do things "over the top" are somehow less than. What I wish to see in my lifetime is little old ladies and young men looking at a gay pride parade full of trannies and gogo boys and topless dykes and old queers on horseback and saying, "Meh, not my cup of tea, but they're having fun so it's none of my business."

That's what I want to see: people minding their own goddamned business. If you don't want to have anal sex, if you want to be an Evangelical Christian, if you want to not be part of the gay community... well, fine. You have that right. But you cannot tell me that it's my fault. And you can't tell me that you're better than me, because those are fightin' words.

I have a different perspective than some because I am one of those stereotypes. I've been effeminate since I was a tiny tot, as well as very weedy and weak, and I was called a fag pretty much every day of my life since the second grade. I'm used to it, and so when my sexuality emerged there was nothing to protect... I already lived with ridicule and hatred, being gay on top of that at least gave me a direction and a community. For me, coming to terms with my sexuality was not a process, it was foregone conclusion.

But now that I'm grown up, now that I'm no longer weak and weedy, I see that allowing people to dictate to me what I will call myself and what I will think of myself is wrong. And forcing people to hide their natural expressions of self is even more wrong, hideously wrong!

See, I'm not telling g0ys that they can't be what they are, I'm just telling them that I think their notions are wrong. I don't tell Christians that they shouldn't be Christians, I just tell them that I disagree with their beliefs and refuse to be ruled by them. That's the difference between what I'm saying and what a lot of other people are saying: I am not suggesting that you don't have the right to order your affairs as you see fit; I'm saying that I think your affairs are ordered incorrectly.

Do you see the difference there? I am pointing out something I think may be wrong, I am not telling you to change. Telling other people to do what you want them to do is one step away from making other people do what you want them to do... and that is fascism, and fascism is plain evil.

Furthermore, I am not saying that I am better than you because I do things the way I do them. Of course I think my way is better, but that doesn't make me a superior person to you. I will try and understand your point of view, and I will ask you to consider my point of view, but I will not force you or even pressure you to come to my way of thinking. And that makes all the difference.

See, it's none of my business what you do... until you make it my business by trying to tell me my business. In the drag community, that's called "stepping on my skirt." And if you step on my skirt, I will push you the fuck off... I will probably get nasty and give you a good solid backhand slap, too, making sure the rings leave a mark.

So stay the fuck off my skirt, and I'll stay the fuck off of yours. That goes for gays, straights, bis, trannies, and anyone else on the face of the earth. What could be simpler?

I get a bit pissy when people talk about drag queens because I am a drag queen. I get a bit pissy when people talk about blending in because blending in is something I am incapable of doing. And I get really pissy when someone tells me that I am hurting the civil rights movement by clinging to my own identity in the face of monumental disapproval: I fought hard for my identity, I've made sacrifices for my identity, and I am not going to give it up because some twat in Peoria thinks it's risque or tacky.

That's why g0ys piss me off: they empower that twat in Peoria by catering to her prejudices. That's not my cup of tea... but so long as you aren't forcing your tea down my throat, have at it. See if I care.
 
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no if someone says there g0y, they could just be saying plain and simple they dont like arse stuff, i mean just because they dont likwe it themselves, doesnt mean they think its an 'abomination' or anything bad.

I understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying g0ys are deliberately trying to give gays a bad name. But again, we should be working towards not excluding ourselves from others.

What if I said "I like rap but I'm not black". Maybe that doesn't mean I think being black is a bad thing. But what other reason would I have to specifically stress the point that I'm not black? Why should I care if someone thinks I'm black or not? Do I fear being confused with an african american? Same with "I give head but I'm not gay". Why would I care if someone thought I was gay if I didn't think gay was a bad thing?

they realise that theres a certain gay sterotpye, and they just dont want to be part of it. doesnt mean for one second they hate it or are against it.

They are saying the gay stereotype rings true. And it doesn't. Gay men don't butt-fuck all the time (I've been with a guy for 3+ years and have had anal sex about 20 times), aren't all effeminate, many have never wore panties, lots of us don't want want to have a sex change operation, most of us don't own a Judy or Barbra CD (well, I do actually) and few of us have or will ever experience fisting. But that's more or less the gay stereotype. Yet we'd be lucky to find even a couple of JUBBERS among us who fit that exact description.
 
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Isn't g0y sh0rthand f0r "I can't get laid!"? I mean, if y0u eliminate all the gays, effeminates, leather men and guys int0 anal, y0ur p00l 0f avalable men gets pretty small pretty quick!:badgrin:
 
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I've eliminated most of those already and I don't even identify with "g0y".
 
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Soilwork, must everyone be rampantly, loudly and proudly GAY?

Funny, I don't recall him ever saying such a thing, even in the many posts we've disagreed. What he's saying here is it's wrong to define being "gay" as only those men who sleep with men in bathhouses. I'm not going to get into a definition of what "gay" means, but I think some people are somewhat delusional about it.

That's all he seems to me to be saying.
 
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dr_beat.. thanks.

And you're right, of course.

The only people who think I'm "Rampantly, loudly and proudly gay" are the ones who are afriad to be out at all.

I'm just a guy, really. But I'm not ashamed to be who I am and never will be. I have a podcast about my gay motorcycle club and I have a bunch of gay friends.. that's about it. I don't tell people at the grocery store that I'm gay, and I don't mention it to the dry cleaner either.

But people who are either ashamed to be gay or are scared to come out are threatened by someone who really doesn't give a shit about it either way will end up tagging a guy like me as "Rampantly loudly and proudly gay" because it's their own short comings.

I remember some guy a while ago who accused me of "Prancing through the streets and shouting it from the rooftops" who I "sleep with."

He was a knob.

But it goes to show the lengths to which people will go to not have to come out.

It's sad that peope waste so much precious time.
 
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