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Gay Marriage Fails In New York

I don't think gay marriage is going to be the norm anytime soon. NY is one of the most liberal places in the U.S. and even they don't want it.

I don't think it's ever going to be wide spread across the nation and completely accepted.
 
Sultan said:
I don't think it's ever going to be wide spread across the nation and completely accepted.
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I think it will be, but only after about 20 more years.

Even then it won't be completely accepted, but I think it will at least be allowed.
 
What the Senator votes is sometimes different to what the Senator truly believes or wants and they alone keep that secret.

NOM has installed "The fear of God" into the senators. Brian Brown said that himself in his speedy email for moral triumph. At NOM, they're really trying to push that gay marriage is inevitable because in that state they had the senators in their pockets.

NOM pushed harder in this state, that helped the win.

Even with the NY fail, it's not like it's a huge surprise. I also want everyone to remember the victories and our advances in our cause that we achieved this year and that we'll have one more victory in DC by this years end.
 
I hate to say it, but this is just gonna take time. Deeply ingrained social prejudice takes a while to move away. The fact that States in the US are even openly discussing this and votes are being held and it's even razor thin in many areas, and keeps coming back, is a sign of progress from just the 1970's --when simply being openly gay could mean a trip to jail in lots of places.

That doesn't mean giving up the fight, it just means don't get too discouraged now, because progress is being made. It is hard to see, because the heavy lifting is still being done, but a lot has happened in just a generation's time.

I mean, if you'd told someone in 1975 that Boise, Idaho would have an openly lesbian state Senator (they do, her name is Nichole LeFavour, I know this because I'm a polisci dork :)), they woulda laughed you out of the state. Yet here we are.

It's stupid and frustrating, but it's important to keep the faith and keep working for it. :)
 
It may well be time to forget voters and work to overturn bans via the court system.
 
I give it about 30 to 50 years for all the older conservatives to die off. A lot of the younger people born now seem to have the impression that it doesn't impact them and they don't care, as long as you don't hit on them.

I think, like everything else, it will change with time.
 
JasunStrikesBack said:
Well... not as long as all those cowards cower in the closet like little babies from their own families, anyway.

I mean... it's a lot easier to hate what you can't see.
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Once again, with you it's the gays fault they are the object of hate. :rolleyes:
 
stacyphierce said:
NY Jubbers should show your anger here:

NYC Rally Tonight to Protest the Marriage Bill Defeat

Lead by bigot Senator Ruben Diaz (D – Bronx), earlier today the New York Senate defeated the Marriage equality bill by a vote of 38 to 24.
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I have never understood this guy. 2 of his brothers are gay and he is a major force AGAINST equal rights for gays and lesbians?

Rot in hell Ruben diaz
 

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Still, I'm proud of Gov. Patterson for actively addressing and promoting this politically unrewarding issue during a time when there are plenty of other, arguably, more pressing issues. I'm looking forward to the day to watch the political cowards eat crow.
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hotatlboi said:
Once again, with you it's the gays fault they are the object of hate. :rolleyes:
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No, not exactly. But it's their fault that they fold and don't fight for themselves.

Honestly... don't you agree that if we all came out to friends and family that we'd gain more acceptance?

If we all stood up for ourselves, we'd be much stronger. But instead, we just lay down in the ditch and wait for them to come get us.

Please, even people such as myself who stand up for the community are shushed by the closet cowards because they think we'd gain more acceptance if we hid away.
 
JasunStrikesBack said:
No, not exactly. But it's their fault that they fold and don't fight for themselves.

Honestly... don't you agree that if we all came out to friends and family that we'd gain more acceptance?
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No I can agree with that. I just disagree with the way stacyphierce characterized it that if someone is in the closet that means they hate themselves or think they are "wrong".

The reason someone is in the closet is often because they do not have the constitution to face the barrage of hate that comes their way if they weren't. I find the suggestion that they are responsible for creating that hate themselves totally absurd.
 
hotatlboi said:
No I can agree with that. I just disagree with the way stacyphierce characterized it that if someone is in the closet that means they hate themselves or think they are "wrong".

The reason someone is in the closet is often because they do not have the constitution to face the barrage of hate that comes their way if they weren't. I find the suggestion that they are responsible for creating that hate themselves totally absurd.
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We didn't say they created it. We said they sit there and allow it to continue.
 
stacyphierce said:
That's a bit of information I did not know about him. What a fucking tool.
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His granddaughter is also gay.

Díaz is a staunch opponent of marriage rights for gay people, and as a Democratic state senator in a party with a razor-thin majority, his resistance gives him great power on this issue. He also has two gay brothers, a gay granddaughter and a gay chief counsel, whom he insists he loves and respects. "So how could I be a homophobe?" he says. Can he be serious? Do people really think they can seek to deny people the same rights as they enjoy, and that saying they love the people whose rights they're trying to block makes it all okay?


more http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathaniel-frank/eviscerating-ruben-diaz-o_b_352628.html
 
elvin1 said:
If you don't stand up and demand to be treated equally and have some self love and self respect, why should anyone love or respect you or treat you equally?
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See that's what I completely disagree with. Lots of people do show love and respect to plenty of other people, even total strangers. But the same people regard gay people with ridicule and scorn. That kind of backward prejudice is 100% THEIR fault, not the person the hate's.
 
stacyphierce said:
I don't understand why the bigotry is present to begin with
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Well see, maybe that's the difference. Growing up in a very religious household, I do understand a lot of it. Not all, but a lot of it is based on religion.

People have have religious prejudices are almost completely unreasonable on this issue.

Nothing you say or no logic you use can affect someone who actually believes that an imaginary being in the sky will burn someone because he/she likes the same sex. There is just no logic to begin with in that position.

stacyphierce said:
and I especially do not understand why there are many who gladly sit back and take it as long as it means they don't have to deal with coming out 'cause it's soooo hard.
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Because for many that's simply the smart thing to do. After hearing countless stories of religious parents shunning their gay children and even kicking them out of the house, I didn't even entertain the notion of coming out to my family before I finished college. They wanted me to go to a Christian school, thankfully that didn't happen but I still needed them to cosign my loans. The only way they agreed to allow me to attend a secular school was because they considered me mature enough to "resist the devil" lol. If I had told them I was gay they would have said I was a horrible sinner and needed a religious education. And I wouldn't have the good job I have now as a result of my secular and scientifically focused education I got at the school I went to.

I agree with your point that everyone coming out would help people see the issue better, but sometimes you have to look out for yourself first, and sometimes that means taking the path of least resistance until you are on a better footing.
 
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