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Gay marriage New York 2011

It won't pass..and if it does, I hope it's not with the agreements some of the Republicians want.
Our marriages won't be worth the paper they're printed on if the Republician agreements are made.
 
chrisrobin said:
I'm a First Amendment guy, but sometimes I wish professional athletes would just shut the fuck up.


That's funny, I guess we don't pray to the same God. I wonder if Mr. Tyree played football with helmet on? I've always been under the impression that love is the only relationship that mirrors our relationship with God. Anyway, what do I know? :confused:
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From a biblical Christian standpoint, Mr. Tyree is wrong. The submission of the wife to the husband is a mirror of the submission of the church to Christ.

Fine. But many of us have rejected this patriarchal model of marriage and adopted a model of a partnership of equals. This model of equality does not square with biblical marriage even when it is a heterosexual marriage. And if we carry through, where does this new model place the church?
 
Ninja108 said:
It won't pass..and if it does, I hope it's not with the agreements some of the Republicians want.
Our marriages won't be worth the paper they're printed on if the Republician agreements are made.
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What are the Republican amendments? I'm sure there's one about churches not being required to perform gay marriages, but what else?
 
construct said:
What are the Republican amendments? I'm sure there's one about churches not being required to perform gay marriages, but what else?
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Yeah, I haven't heard any others besides this, which isn't even needed anyway since the first amendment already guarantees that.
 
I read this about the battle to pass marriage equality today. I found it rather amusing, mostly because of the part in bold face.

The Rev. Jason McGuire, president of the New Yorker’s Family Research Foundation, is calling on Christians to be vigilant against the bill. His group is asking constituents to contact Senators Grisanti and Saland and ask them oppose the legislation.

“We are calling for God’s people to pray,” said McGuire, according to CitizenLink, an affiliate of Focus on the Family. “That’s the bottom line. We recognize the battle is won or lost on our knees."
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http://www.christianpost.com/news/n...away-from-legalizing-same-sex-marriage-51240/ To Rev. McGuire, I say there are better things for you to do on your knees than pray. :bj:
 
Looks like Republicans are running out the clock again.

Same old story.

Vote Republican if you want to remain a second class citizen.
 
The google search marked thiss as 9 minutes ago. The bastards!!

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jun/17/ny-marriage-bill-hits-snags-on-religion-questions-ar-1115989/

NY Marriage Bill Hits Snags on Religion Questions
By MICHAEL GORMLEY, Associated Press | (AP)
Published: June 17, 2011

ALBANY, N.Y. --

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) Gov. Andrew Cuomo held more one-on-one negotiations Friday with Senate Republicans who worry his bill to legalize gay marriage doesn't do enough to protect religious groups and churches that refuse to preside over same-sex weddings and other services.

A third lengthy, closed-door meeting by the GOP majority brought the bill, widely viewed as key to national momentum on the issue, no closer to a floor vote. The Democrat-led Assembly passed the measure Wednesday as expected, and a vote in the Senate had been anticipated this week.

That action could now be days away, after Senate Republicans didn't even discuss Friday whether to take that action.
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Bottom line, it won't come to vote unless they are allowed to put in things that will allow them to discriminate at will.
All those who stayed home in NY this past election and didn't vote when there WERE gay friendly candiates,you reap what you sow.
 
I think they should just add in more religious exemptions. They will be overturned in court. Cuomo has indicated he's willing to do that. I think by Monday he will amend the bill, which will lead to it being brought to a vote.
 
scream4ever said:
I think they should just add in more religious exemptions. They will be overturned in court. Cuomo has indicated he's willing to do that. I think by Monday he will amend the bill, which will lead to it being brought to a vote.
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Meh. The religious exemptions will not be overturned anywhere. Churches can refuse to marry whomever they want for whatever reason right now. There's no reason to think that will change whether it's stated in the bill or not. Let it go in.

If they want to add a protection for preachers who want to preach against gay marriage, that's fine too. Let them. They already can preach about the sinfulness of divorce. Let them preach against gay marriage, too.

Both those practices are protected by the free exercise clause of the First Amendment anyway. Let them put those provisions in.

Now. What else do they want?
 
So Monday is the absolute last day to vote on the bill yes?

Just stuff a bunch of religious exempts in and pass the damn thing.
 
Kensei said:
So Monday is the absolute last day to vote on the bill yes?

Just stuff a bunch of religious exempts in and pass the damn thing.
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To the point where those who serve the public in any capacity can refuse gays and lesbians on religious grounds?
No thank you.
 
construct said:
Meh. The religious exemptions will not be overturned anywhere. Churches can refuse to marry whomever they want for whatever reason right now. There's no reason to think that will change whether it's stated in the bill or not. Let it go in.

If they want to add a protection for preachers who want to preach against gay marriage, that's fine too. Let them. They already can preach about the sinfulness of divorce. Let them preach against gay marriage, too.

Both those practices are protected by the free exercise clause of the First Amendment anyway. Let them put those provisions in.

Now. What else do they want?
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Do all of what you say, just get married in the Episcopal church. They are willing anyway.
 
RazorzEdge88 said:
Here's something that will give you somewhat of an idea, at the very least:

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/06/senball.html

Some of those items are kind of vague. I think the main problem lies in the first item because it could allow state employees to refuse to perform marriages.

I think if you were to just tinker with that stuff ever so slightly, it'd be very easy to satisfy all parties without causing any real problems.

It's certainly not worth going around, like some reactionary, proclaiming that the demands of the Republicans are rendering the whole battle for marriage equality entirely worthless. That kind of extremism is harmful to LGBT people in the fight for equality.
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Okay, now I see a list. Government officials must not be exempted. That exemption would essentially make each official a law unto himself. No, and again No.

Now let's talk about redistricting.
 
The part about churches refusing to marry gay couples would stand in court, yes. Most of the other exemptions would likely not though.
 
Greg Ball is asking those on Twitter to tweet how he should vote on the marriage equality vote. He's @ball4ny. So far the response is overwealmingly yes!!!
 
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