Gay Republicans Are Self-Loathing And Don't Care About Gay Rights

[DiamondSkin]

Yes. It's totally OK. Because people are (ostensibly) free to vote for whoever they choose. They can choose to believe or not believe whatever they're told about the candidates and the issues, and cast their ballots based on any of this information. Or none of it - they can vote for whoever they think has the biggest dick.

Yes, freedom of democracy ra ra ra.

They're still self-loathing pathetic excuses of human beings who have no self-respect as gay persons.

Doing so isn't "apathy". Not voting at all is apathy. You (and many others) might consider voting for such candidates to be detrimental to the cause of gay rights, but it most certainly isn't apathy.

Lex

No, you're misunderstanding.

I'm talking about apathy about gay rights. Meaning one's tendency to not care about gay rights even though they're gay.

They'll vote for anybody Republican even if they display a fierce anti-gay agenda.

Because they have a passion for lower taxes....and an apathy about gay rights.

 

[G-Lexington]

Well, yeah. But why the hell would they care about gay rights? Because, see, as far as they and the rest of the world is concerned, they're not gay.

They can't get married? Why the hell would they want to get married? That would tell the world that they're gay.

They can't make a living will? Who'd they put in charge? Their BOYFRIEND? That would tell the world that they're gay.

Closeted gays don't need any damn rights, so there's no reason for them to vote against somebody who is anti-gay rights.

Lex

 

[DiamondSkin]

Well, yeah. But why the hell would they care about gay rights? Because, see, as far as they and the rest of the world is concerned, they're not gay.

They can't get married? Why the hell would they want to get married? That would tell the world that they're gay.

They can't make a living will? Who'd they put in charge? Their BOYFRIEND? That would tell the world that they're gay.

Closeted gays don't need any damn rights, so there's no reason for them to vote against somebody who is anti-gay rights.

Lex

Not all gay Republicans are closeted (though it seems to be an doubly interesting and irritating trend).

Some are open about being gay but they don't care about gay rights. They'll vote for an anti-gay Republican without a moment's glance.

And they have the nerve to complain about why they can't get a date and why they don't have boyfriends.

The gay community isn't that big....

 

[hungrybrownbear]

No one is a single issue voter.

But I would hope a gay person has the self-respect NOT to vote for a candidate with an anti-gay agenda

But that's exactly what single issue voting is. Why is it ok for people to single issue vote for the homosexual agenda, but not ok for anything else?

 

[DiamondSkin]

But that's exactly what single issue voting is.

I wouldn't define it on the same level as taxes or healthcare. Having lower taxes isn't on the same scale as supporting a candidate who continually adovcates your second-class citizenry.

If a gay person wants to vote for a candidate that would support criminalization of homosexuality just so he can have a bigger tax refund than it shows he has a severe lack of self-respect, has severe self-loathing as a gay person and shows he doesn't value the true tenet of an American: equal rights and citizenship.

Would you vote for a candidate who thinks all Asians should be deported to their respective foreign countries and would launch several policies to bolster this belief even if his other policies are own your agendas?

 

[hungrybrownbear]

Well how about people's view on abortion rights and the death penalty?

In their point of view, saving lives is much more important than individual homosexual rights, does that make them a bigot/hypocrite for having priorities?

And stop using hyper-extreme hypothetical cases like exporting Asians.
Race isn't the same thing as sexual preference, if you try to bring the two issues to the front you'll never get anywhere.

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>And they have the nerve to complain about why they can't get a date and why they don't have boyfriends.

The main reason they can't get a date seems to be not their political views but a possibly related viewpoint - that they're separate and distinct from (and superior to) "the gay community". It's like the whole g0y thing in another guise. "I'm not one of THEM. I'm no faggot - I'm a straight guy who just likes having sex with guys!"

In which case, it's not quite self-loathing. I think they don't mind - or perhaps welcome - anti-gay legislation because they dislike "gays at large". You know, that whole "if they weren't such flamers, people wouldn't think I was like that". And perhaps it's their way to punish them.

Lex

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>But that does not mean that all of the politicians who run on the Democratic ticket don't give a flying fuck about our rights.

I didn't say that. Individuals can have opinions, and they might have pet causes. And yes, that can include gay rights. But I do think that gays tend to overgeneralize. So Democratic victories are far too often uniformly cheered, and Republican ones bemoaned. Yes, I'd say you're more likely to find a bit more willingness to throw us a bone from the Democratic party, but that doesn't mean one can generalize across the board about them.

Lex

 

[954dude]

Humans rights in general should be a priority for everyone. Encouraging oppression against persons because of their sexuality is going to become a disadvantage for those Republicans, Democrats, and any other parties, because the cycle of ignorance will bite them in the ass.

 

[hungrybrownbear]

>>>But that does not mean that all of the politicians who run on the Democratic ticket don't give a flying fuck about our rights.

I didn't say that. Individuals can have opinions, and they might have pet causes. And yes, that can include gay rights. But I do think that gays tend to overgeneralize. So Democratic victories are far too often uniformly cheered, and Republican ones bemoaned. Yes, I'd say you're more likely to find a bit more willingness to throw us a bone from the Democratic party, but that doesn't mean one can generalize across the board about them.

Lex

BAM!!!
This is what I am talking about.

 

[DiamondSkin]

Well how about people's view on abortion rights and the death penalty?

In their point of view, saving lives is much more important than individual homosexual rights, does that make them a bigot/hypocrite for having priorities?

If they truly believe that abortions and the death penalty are unethical and voting for a candidate who supports their personal view would be saving lives than yes it should be a huge factor in how they vote.

But voting for a candidate who matches their views and has anti-gay agenda is hypocritical because they support the value of life they should also support the validity of those who are living and how they are entitled to live equally amongst other citizens.

Would you vote for a candidate who was against abortion and for Asian segregation if you're against abortion?

I would hope not...

 

[DiamondSkin]

BAM!!!
This is what I am talking about.

No, not really.

You're sympathizing with gay people who vote for gay Republicans with an anti-gay agenda.

It's not a 'pet cause'.

It's encroachment on their individual rights as an American citizen and it shows severe self-loathing.

Would you vote for a candidate who matched all your ideals but think that all Asians should be segregated?

 

[hungrybrownbear]

please refer to previous post: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5547963&postcount=34

and please note I am more American than I am Asian. I don't let labels like ASIAN or HOMOSEXUAL define the whole premise of my life.

 

[DiamondSkin]

I don't think Republicans are quiet the way you describe. Both parties haven't done much for gay rights anyway. I'm a gay man who supports the Republicans because they fight for me and most middle class people in other ways. Such as keeping big government out of our lives, keeping our taxes low, not trying to take away our freedoms and liberties, destroy our health care system, they're not trying to take my money away from me and giving it to someone doesn't want to work or do anything.

We have a Democrat president who just signed the landslide legislation Hate Crimes Bill.

That's one of many victories for gay rights that Democrats have supported..and Republicans have been against.

By the way, I was proud to see McConnell have a landslide victory there in Virginia. I hope Virginia goes Republican in 2010!!!

You DO realize that McDonnell has been fervent in enacting policy that would:

Ban gay marriage
Ban gay adoption
Approve discrimination against gay workers.
Ban gay alliances in public schools for teenagers.

McDonnell has also been on record stating that homosexuality is an 'inherent evil' and that he would de-criminalize it if possible.

If you didn't know, well now you do.

If you DID know, than please stop talking.....

 

[DiamondSkin]

please refer to previous post: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5547963&postcount=34

and please note I am more American than I am Asian. I don't let labels like ASIAN or HOMOSEXUAL define the whole premise of my life.

It shouldn't.

But when someone advocates discrimination against you BECAUSE you're Asian or homosexual than it defeats the purpose doesn't it?

 

[sabot3ur]

I'm a good ol' Fox News watching republican.

I Care about Gay Rights.

Fuck I'm like an anomaly.

no, you're like a contradiction

Well how about people's view on abortion rights and the death penalty?

In their point of view, saving lives is much more important than individual homosexual rights, does that make them a bigot/hypocrite for having priorities?

saving which lives? repubs are alllll about saving unborn lives, but they love the death penalty right?

 

[RationalLunacy]

Is this where I chime in with something inappropriate and get reprimanded by the moderators?

 

[hungrybrownbear]

Unfortunately, too many in the Republican party are bigots who can only see you as ASIAN and HOMOSEXUAL, regardless of how you see yourself or would wish that others see you.

Actually that's not the case. It's only the case when you let things like that define who you are.

For me, being is a pretty minor thing in my life. Yay, I'm gay, it's not that big of a deal. I don't try to hide it, but I won't go out proclaiming it to every single person that I meet that I'm gay so they can make a premature judgment of my character.

Maybe because I live in a pretty open nondiscriminatory area, I haven't run into many problems at all and I actually find that Republicans are actually a bit more open-minded than Dems, especially in the area of bigotry.

 

[DiamondSkin]

I'm not a one issue voter. I don't they that issue is as important as keeping what freedoms and liberties we have now.

That issue IS keeping the freedoms and liberties we SHOULD have.

That's why we're fighting for them. That's why it's called the gay RIGHTS movement.

By the way elvin1, you're way too good looking to be a liberal. Your profile also says that you are married, so.... what rights are you complaining about? Some states allow gay marriage some don't. That's the American way.

You mean it was the American Way when some states were segregated and some were not?

And it was the American Way where some states allowed interracial marriage and others did not?

No. It wasn't the American Way then and it isn't now.

Jesus fucking Christ.

I need a Advil tablet....

 

[Chris421]

I don't think Republicans are quiet the way you describe. Both parties haven't done much for gay rights anyway. I'm a gay man who supports the Republicans because they fight for me and most middle class people in other ways. Such as keeping big government out of our lives, keeping our taxes low, not trying to take away our freedoms and liberties, destroy our health care system, they're not trying to take my money away from me and giving it to someone doesn't want to work or do anything.

By the way, I was proud to see McConnell have a landslide victory there in Virginia. I hope Virginia goes Republican in 2010!!!

Now, I'm not from the US so what I know is from reading other people's opinions, the newspaper and the internet stuffs....but not trying to take away your freedoms? Dude, same-sex marriage was just taken away (In a couple of states that it was legal in the first place, after fighting for it). And for your health care system? Ha, that's a laugh...well not if you can afford it, then it's amaaazziing.