Gay Republicans Are Self-Loathing And Don't Care About Gay Rights

[DiamondSkin]

There I said it.

Apathy about gay rights is clearly a problem with gay Republicans. Gay Republicans will vote for any Republican irregardless of his or her anti-gay agenda (i.e. Sarah Palin...) and I simply do not know why.

Thus the inflammatory title thread. Hopefully they will explain their views more cohesively.

First, I thought it was "football politics" where a party member will always support their 'team' no matter what.

But that theory only seemed to cover some of the gay Republicans.

I had numerous discussions with numerous gay Republicans and Democrats alike about the recent events regarding the elections and the loss of gay marriage in Maine.

Most of the gay Democrats were disheartened with Corzine's loss in NJ. Most were apathetic about Bloomberg winning. All were distraught with the election of McDonnell and the loss of gay marriage.

On the other hand, most of the gay Republicans were ecstatic about Christie's win in NJ, McDonnell's win in VA and the general "Rise of the Red!" trend in the elections. Not ONE of them said anything about Maine.

Most of the gay Democrats were worried about the loss of gay rights in Maine and potential loss of gay rights in other states. The gay Republicans however did not say a peep about the loss of gay rights in Maine or did they seem to have any concern about the potential anti-gay agenda in the election results.

I thought to myself, "Well, Diamondskin, clearly they MUST care about gay rights. They're just a bit more passionate about fiscal policies, the economy and such!"

So I asked them. And one said, and I quote "It really doesn't matter."

Again.

"It really doesn't matter"

I immediately asked for clarification. From ALL of them.

Three of them just shrugged their shoulders as if it were raining outside.

The others gave a pathetic, half-hearted: "It happens." or "Whatever" or "It's not necessary right now".

Confused and a bit agitated, I asked "Do you even care about gay rights?"

All hesitated before answering "Of course!" or "Yes!" but their faces clearly gave away their lies.

Than someone said something about "Obama failed to support gay marriage in Maine!"

Than suddenly they were all very talkative about Obama's failures for gay activism. I pointed out the Republican Party's numerous anti-gay agendas but they waved it away as if I had said something extrapolitative.

It struck me.

Gay Republicans really don't care about gay rights. They just don't.

One of the gay Republicans in my state voted for McDonnell despite his vast record of anti-gay discrimination (he has stated on record that homosexuality is an 'inherent evil'...god help us all) and didn't seemed phased when I pointed it out for him. He said it didn't matter.

Gay rights don't matter to gay Republicans. Maybe they do. Just a little. But it's clearly on the bottom of their lists of things they would like to see happen in their country.

It's not only a problem of apathy. Most of the gay Republicans I know are either closeted, religious or come from a military background which in itself is also closeted. They're not 'out' like me but they claim to be okay with being gay.

But their actions and words and refusal to participate in gay rights events that I've invited them to just seems to solidify the theory that many gay Republicans are in fact self-loathing and don't care about gay rights in this country.

Someone prove me wrong....

 

[mrcorbin]

I don't always vote Republican - I vote for the person in favor of what is high on my list. Maybe gay rights are not as high on their list as other things. They are not top priority on my list honestly. But that is just me. Bash if you would like..but you can't really say much that I haven't already heard. That is my honest opinion and that is that. At the moment, issues such as health care reform are more important to me. You can still love someone with or without the label of marriage but many are unable to obtain quality health care. I don't really want to get into that issue, but my point is you must vote on issues that are extremely important to you and your short list and mine may not match up.

Also, just as you group "all Republicans" into one category, that is the same as saying that all people of one certain race are the same. You comments are on the same level as someone saying that Obama could not possibly perform well in his job because he is black. I know you did not say those exact words, but a stereotype is a stereotype. So you polled 3 people... those are hardly the thoughts of ALL Republicans.

But of course this is just my opinion.

 

[Rex]

I don't understand them just like I don't understand black republicans but I hope you and Jasun were joking about forcfully outing them because of how they voted.

You have the right to be upset but don't be a bitter queen and try to ruin someone because they didn't agree with you.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Gay Republicans Are Self-Loathing And Don't Care About Gay Rights

The sun rises in the east.
The chemical formula for water is H2O.
The Pope is Roman Catholic.

Give me a f*cking break!

I've voted for more than one Democrat in the past who stabbed me in the back, breaking every promise he/she made to the gay community, promises that had "won" my vote.

Clinton, with DADT. My two US Senators from WA (at the time) who later supported DOMA.

They got my vote 'cuz they were on "my" side, then threw gays under the bus.

A lot like Obama, our "fierce advocate", and the progress he's implemented so far.

 

[Rex]

So does anyone see DADT getting repealed in Obama's term?

 

[Fire]

You have the right to be upset but don't be a bitter queen and try to ruin someone because they didn't agree with you.

It's not as if they disagreed over Pepsi vs. Coke--they're actively supporting a political party that is at least in part responsible for our continued second-class citizenship. Now, I don't claim that outing Republicans is the right thing to do, or that the Democrats by default deserve our support because they certainly haven't earned it, but I am saying that your apparent sympathy is largely undeserved.

Though I suppose it's probably easier to be sympathetic when you're not say, openly gay and partnered in a state that did but now no longer recognizes your marriage.

 

[mydrew1]

Check out the Log Cabin Republicans website

 

[NineOfClubs]

^ I see your point.

I've only ever registered as Libertarian.

Have occasionally voted for the stray Democrat or Republican, if I liked the candidate and his agenda.

But I have to say, the Democratic choices I've made have almost always been the ones I've regretted. They seem to only want the votes and donations, then they never deliver....

 

[hungrybrownbear]

Because all Gay Republicans you know, are represented by your "numerous" discussions.

Narrow minded a bit much?

Voting for someone who openly doesn't care about gay rights as opposed to someone who lies about caring just to get the homosexual vote, herm which one is better?

I'm not a Republican, but I'm also not a single issue voter.

 

[DiamondSkin]

I'm a good ol' Fox News watching republican.

I Care about Gay Rights.

Fuck I'm like an anomaly.

And when has Fox News EVER shown gay Americans in a positive light or shown something less than disdain for gay rights...?



Ugh.

 

[G-Lexington]

Might as well pull this one out of the mothballs.

What's the difference between a Democratic candidate and a Republican candidate?
The Republican doesn't bother pretending to care.

Listen close. The Democratic Party doesn't give a flying fuck about you or your rights. In fact, let me say it a bit louder. The Democratic Party doesn't give a flying fuck about you or your rights. All they care about is the power you hold as a voter. They prey upon your insecurities, and will promise all disenfranchised people in America anything they can in order to win your vote. Once they're elected, they will more often than not continue paying lipservice to whatever your cause is, but at that point, they're done with you. Until the next election cycle, of course.

Lex

 

[DiamondSkin]

I understand if being concerned about unemployment, taxes and such are usually on the forefront of any American citizens mind.

However, I'm talking about gay Republicans who show consistent apathy or dissonance for gay rights victories and losses.

They're quick to hop on the debate about healthcare or Iraq but you won't hear a peep out of them about gay marriage whom myself and so many other gay Americans.

I have a gay acquaintance who voted McDonnell knowing full well his anti-gay agenda is considered to be the worst in the country.

He didn't care. He's of course closeted and displays a loathing towards the LBGTQ community.

I have no problem with gay Republicans who are concerned with all issues and display equal concern for gay rights.

I do NOT have respect for gay Republicans who vote for anybody Republican even if they're anti-gay and display fierce passion for fiscal policies but clear apathy for gay rights.

It shows they lack self-respect and they're self-loathing.

 

[Telstra]

Over here:

Liberal = republicans
Labor = democrats

 

[DiamondSkin]

Because all Gay Republicans you know, are represented by your "numerous" discussions.

No, many gay Republicans have displayed a passion for gay rights. Though they're far and between. I work with some.

However MANY gay Republicans show clear and utter apathy for gay rights. They'll vote for a fierce Republican opponent with a clear anti-gay agenda....as long as he lowers their taxes.

I've seen many gay Republicans vote against their rights as a gay person when they vote a Republican candidate.

They simply don't care and lack self-respect.

Voting for someone who openly doesn't care about gay rights as opposed to someone who lies about caring just to get the homosexual vote, herm which one is better?

Many Democrats and Republicans alike show no opinion or concern about gay rights and choose to focus their efforts on other issues.

I'm talking about Republicans with clear anti-gay agendas...and the gay Republicans who vote for them anyway. It's horrifying and utterly pathetic.

Again, I have an acquaintance who defines himself as gay Republican. He voted for McDonnell who once on record stated that homosexuality is 'an inherent evil'. McDonnell is against gay marriage, gay adoption, gays in the military, etc. and has taken steps to insure it doesn't happen in his state. He even once stated he would be in favor of CRIMINALIZING homosexuality.

And the gay Republicans voted for him anyway. Without care.

It boggles my mind.

How pathetic can a person get?

I'm not a Republican, but I'm also not a single issue voter.

No one is a single issue voter.

But I would hope a gay person has the self-respect NOT to vote for a candidate with an anti-gay agenda

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>How pathetic can a person get?

Maybe because he knows there's no way in hell that homosexuality will get recriminalized? So he knows that's just a bullshit line thrown out to guarantee that certain people will go out and vote for him?

Lex

 

[DiamondSkin]

>>>How pathetic can a person get?

Maybe because he knows there's no way in hell that homosexuality will get recriminalized? So he knows that's just a bullshit line thrown out to guarantee that certain people will go out and vote for him?

Lex

McDonnell has had a successful and horrifying record of victories in his anti-gay agenda. Particularly with his attorney general.

Considering the rampant homophobia in VA, I wouldn't be surprised if it came to prize.

And it's still incredibly pathetic.

Would it be alright for a black Republican vote for McDonnell if he stated he would try segregate public schools? There's no way it would happen after all....



It's apathy like this that harms the gay rights movement.

It's OKAY to vote for such a homophobe now? It's OKAY to vote for a homophobe who stated he would criminalize homosexuality if he could? As a gay person it's OKAY to support such a candidate?

Jesus fucking Christ....

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I don't understand them just like I don't understand black republicans but I hope you and Jasun were joking about forcfully outing them because of how they voted.

Are you subscribed to my posts or something?

Anyway, no. I wasn't.

I'm past being nice and I'm past being all "live and let live."

People who fuck with my rights, as far as I'm concerned, will have theirs fucked with my me.

Vote against my family, your right to privacy is out the window. Eye for an eye and all that.

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>It's OKAY to vote for such a homophobe now? It's OKAY to vote for a homophobe who stated he would criminalize homosexuality if he could? As a gay person it's OKAY to support such a candidate?

Yes. It's totally OK. Because people are (ostensibly) free to vote for whoever they choose. They can choose to believe or not believe whatever they're told about the candidates and the issues, and cast their ballots based on any of this information. Or none of it - they can vote for whoever they think has the biggest dick.

Doing so isn't "apathy". Not voting at all is apathy. You (and many others) might consider voting for such candidates to be detrimental to the cause of gay rights, but it most certainly isn't apathy.

Lex

 

[Joshua_me]

It does if you do it right, honey...

Listen, I'm under no illusion that all the Republicans are evil, fag-hating bastards and that the Democrats are all benevolent, right-thinking philanthropists whose only concerns are other people's happiness and well being.

The fact of the matter is both parties are corrupt as the day is long. Every single door in Washington has dollar signs on it, and personal and corporate profit is all that politics are ultimately about.

But to me, the Dems just seem slightly less evil than the Republicans do, and they are not represented by delusional wing-nuts such as Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman and Dick Cheney. (Although, it's often hard to understand what Mr. Chaney is saying with all that blood dripping from his teeth)

Perhaps it's just lip service, but the Dems do seem slightly more in favor of gay rights and our "agenda". The problem with the Republicans is that back in the 80's they began to mingle with the Christian right and the "moral" majority and all of that, which pretty much held up gay folks as evil sinners and also threw the concept of separation of church and state right out the window.