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Geeks OUT Campaign: Skip Ender's Game

Are You Going to Watch Ender's Game?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 21.1%

  • No

    Votes: 22 57.9%

  • Whose Game?

    Votes: 8 21.1%
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    38
Rolyo85

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As some of you may know, homophobe douchenozzle Orson Scott Card's 1985 novel Ender's Game is being filmed this year. The book, btw, is magnificent, it was written way before he became the lunatic he is today, but that is irrelevant.

Geeks OUT (a group of gay geeks with branches in New York, Chicago and other places) has started a campaign to boycott the movie:

http://skipendersgame.com/

It has already been covered in Huffpost and other places, and it has sparked dissension even among gay people. Many believe that an artist and his works should be separate. Others - like me - think that you can't do this separation with living artists who actively try to harm you (Card is in the board of directors of NOM).

Where do you stand? And are you going to watch Ender's Game?
 
I've happily watched Leni Riefenstahl's Nazi-propaganda films. Of course, that didn't seem like I was somehow lending support to Nazis.

I assume Card and his agenda stand to profit from the success of the film. (I enjoyed the book before knowing of his homophobia). I'm passing on it.
 
If it's good, I'll probably watch it. If not, Card's loss.
 
Rolyo85 said:
As some of you may know, homophobe douchenozzle Orson Scott Card's 1985 novel Ender's Game is being filmed this year. The book, btw, is magnificent, it was written way before he became the lunatic he is today, but that is irrelevant.

Geeks OUT (a group of gay geeks with branches in New York, Chicago and other places) has started a campaign to boycott the movie:

http://skipendersgame.com/

It has already been covered in Huffpost and other places, and it has sparked dissension even among gay people. Many believe that an artist and his works should be separate. Others - like me - think that you can't do this separation with living artists who actively try to harm you (Card is in the board of directors of NOM).

Where do you stand? And are you going to watch Ender's Game?
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It matters to me whether they are alive to collect royalties or not.
 
bankside said:
It matters to me whether they are alive to collect royalties or not.
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Not just royalties in this case.

Card is credited as both a writer and producer of the film. That means that the success of the film will directly and dramatically affect his pocketbook, and presumably his promulgation of fundamentalist Mormon hate.
 
Yes, well, money. I don't want him to get it. I'd also look askance at his estate getting it, if it were behind some kind of cryptomormon homophobia.

If those details are taken care of, I don't care about the content of the art. I've heard too many artists tell me that the interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. Moreover, for anything left that the artist intends me to understand, I'm free to reject it or even desecrate the message.

Kind of like kissing my guy at the location of the Reichskanzlei. Or jacking off to a picture of Robert Mugabe.
 
I'll watch it when it comes out on DVD or premium cable

just saw the trailer..looks like it could be a good movie
 
Dejavudoo said:
I'll admit to being inconsistent in the application of this standard, as I won't darken the door of Chik-fil-A, but I have different standard when it comes to art.
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I think Ender's Game is probably not that much more "artful" than Chik-Fil-A. It's pretty much just a pop novel/movie.

In any case, if Ender's Game were artful, as Leni Riefenstahl's films were, would it be any less deserving of repudiation?
 
I know a few guys from Geeks OUT NY. They have a group think mentality on politics that you have to conform to in order to fit in with them. It's up to individuals to decide whether they want to reward an artist for his work or reward him only when his personal life is up to their expectation. It's like if people were told to boycott Sam Cooke for being a wife beater behind stage.
 
zoltanspawn said:
I've happily watched Leni Riefenstahl's Nazi-propaganda films. Of course, that didn't seem like I was somehow lending support to Nazis.

I assume Card and his agenda stand to profit from the success of the film. (I enjoyed the book before knowing of his homophobia). I'm passing on it.
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Oh. I read this earlier, but didn't read it if you know what I mean. Which is a shame, because it is my opinion too. Except substitute nazi starchitect Albert Speer's works for Riefenstahl.
 
bankside said:
Oh. I read this earlier, but didn't read it if you know what I mean. Which is a shame, because it is my opinion too. Except substitute nazi starchitect Albert Speer's works for Riefenstahl.
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How dare you not read my posts carefully! *%%*
 
bankside said:
I DO read godot carefully. What are you yammering on about????
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I'm just yammering about skimming my posts jokingly. (*8*)

(Though I don't think you've entirely pegged me fairly via Becket, and other circumstances).
 
Never heard of it. Still don't know whether I should care or not.

If each of you brings me a cupcake, we'll consider the matter closed.

Now get on it, your Mafia needs you.
 
zoltanspawn said:
I'm just yammering about skimming my posts jokingly. (*8*)

(Though I don't think you've entirely pegged me fairly via Becket, and other circumstances).
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Pegging a Bucket?

Honestly man, if I weren't so careful in my reading, I think I'd misunderstand you entirely.
 
^And either clueless or a homophobe, given her clear misunderstanding of her beloved son Sheridan...

-d-
 
I wasn't impressed with the novel...so I am not likely to watch the movie. But I wouldn't boycott or urge a boycott of any film unless the subject matter was clearly hateful.

I can still watch the Mad Max movies, although I haven't looked at anything that Gibson has done since he emerged as a rabid and emotionally violent 'christian' and anti-semite.....so I realize that I am indeed capable of separating an artist from their work.

As far as the Reifenstahl and Speer analogies though, I have never happily looked at their work, but certainly have studied both of them in depth. I do find it impossible though, to separate these two from their work.
 
Actually, I loved Ender's Game. That the movie looks like a total fail-fest is irrelevant though. We aren't talking some abstract "art or the artist" argument here, and frankly, I don't give a shit if I am accused of being a bully. Paying for this movie is even MORE directly paying for homophobia than buying food at CFA. I am an artist myself, and I am all for separating the work from the creator when it's just a matter of disagreement. Wagner is dead. He can't harm anyone, and his art has proven itself. But Card is very much alive, and kicking. Viciously. At us.


Also, he got a little scared apparently:

http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/07/orson-scott-card-pleads-for-tolerance.html#disqus_thread


P.S. I am not part of Geeks OUT, though I know some of the Chicago people. Just fyi.
 
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