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Geeks OUT Campaign: Skip Ender's Game

Are You Going to Watch Ender's Game?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 21.1%

  • No

    Votes: 22 57.9%

  • Whose Game?

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • Total voters
    38
zoltanspawn said:
But your comparison with, let's say, a christian, who didn't want to go see the work of a prominent gay director is missing something, isn't it?

It's missing what seems rather plain to me in a more accurate comparison: and that would be an explicitly anti-christian ideology of this prominent gay director.

If a christian cringed over viewing the work of an outspokenly anti-christian filmmaker, I'm rather certain I would understand that. If a christian didn't want to view a movie made by a director who stated that christians ought not be equal citizens of the United States, I'm rather certain I would understand that too. And if for some reason, a christian had enough self-esteem to stick up for themselves and call such an attitude plain old bigotry, I would agree. I hardly think such a reasonable feeling of dignity means one is devolving into a pissing match. On the other hand, it's more fairly described by the language of human rights. My values vs their values? Pffffttt. Our values; none of us ought to tolerate such disgusting bias.

Nor am I sure how you've concluded that "we don't really" engage issues such as sexism and xenophobia. Perhaps we ought to speak for ourselves, or run the risk of seeming unfairly judgmental?
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That is, of course, entirely correct. I am frankly baffled that anyone is even trying to turn this into a "difference in opinions". A difference in opinions is whether we think blue or green is the best color. Or if you peal the banana from the handle or the other end. Supporting an artist who than uses this support to take a massive dump on your civil rights isn't a matter of "different opinions", it's a glitch in self-preservation...
 
I doubt if he cares....he's picking up a paycheque and as you point out, he can then use the money to do whatever he wants. Hopefully if he has a percentage of the profits, all of the homofests that Lionsgate is going to have to throw are coming off the top.

We'll see though. I don't think this is going to be the blockbuster that Lionsgate is counting on.
 
Heh, I am sure it makes him cringe, whether he "CARES" cares, or not. And while it's a cool gesture from Lionsgate, it won't change many people's position. And as a PRODUCER of the movie, Card's check is very dependent on ticket sales.

And no, the movie is gonna flop. The book isn't good for a movie. It's good for a mini-series or some such. All the cool alien spaceships and such in the trailer must be from some flashback or something, that probably won't last longer than 5 minutes total. The story itself is set ENTIRELY in corridors and training rooms.
 
Well at least there's some justice.
 
So all of the sudden the movie is good to watch cause they will throw money at some LGBT causes? GeeksOut sounds like some extortion mafia.
 
Or, if we actually read the link, we'll see that 1. GeeksOUT has nothing to do with this, and 2. Nobody has said that the movie is "good to watch". Frankly, I'm embarrassed for you. That level of reading comprehension can't be healthy...
 
That creep who wrote Enders game is really awful. I'm surprised someone that stuck in the past would even write science fiction!

I'm worried about making too big a deal about it because I know people will see this just to support this guy and "teach those pc police nannies a lesson"
 
So I finally found out what movie you're all up in arms about because I saw the trailer when I saw Pacific Rim today... and, since I'm not a sci-fi fan unless by proxy, it's not likely that i'd see it anyway.
 
Rolyo85 said:
And while it's a cool gesture from Lionsgate, it won't change many people's position. And as a PRODUCER of the movie, Card's check is very dependent on ticket sales.
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I don't know how cool a gesture it is--it's a gesture...

Other than that, Ha-ha, Card!
 
There are so many other things that I can watch, so no, not.

So little time...
 
Rolyo85 said:
Aaaand, the GeeksOUT response to Lionsgate... Btw, Dustin Lance Black said he is not boycotting the movie.
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So basically, despite that Lionsgate (who have been very pro-gay for quite some time) have already spent the money on the movie, have publicly deinied Card's views, and even spent a whole bunch of extra money to try and show us they're still on our side... fuck 'em. Apparently this is not enough? Apparently the fact that Card is one in a list of 8 producers, (who I'm sure will benefit far less than Lionsgate themselves) is just too big a deal, even after Card has admitted defeat on the whole gay marriage debate, and has also apparently been removed from NOM. Instead GeeksOUT slams Lionsgate for "standing by their blockbuster"... even though from a business perspective that just makes sense, since they've spent so much money already.

I dunno. Of everything I read relating to this pointless shitstorm surrounding the movie,

"Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute." I found this most interesting.
 
Card has no moral ground to talk about "tolerance". He has never been an oppressed minority, he has never suffered persecution, and he has never had to deal with unequal legal status. As for his capacity as a producer, the movie is based on his novel, and he WILL profit from it, that's undeniable. How much is irrelevant. This is a matter of how willing we are to support a man who has FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL to fight our rights.

As for Lionsgate - studios make decisions when they choose to work on a project. Those decisions are good or bad and they have to deal with the consequences. I am not going to be guilt-tripped into supporting the work of a raving homophobe because some studio execs are nice guys and can put up a decent statement.

And trust me, as someone who loves science fiction and used to be a huge fan of the book, this is NOT an easy stand to make for me. I had been waiting for that movie for more than ten years :(
 
Yeah, I guess the real test for Lionsgate is if they would choose to remain to be LGBT friendly despite this boycott.

The distancing of Card from NOM is nothing but posturing I'm sure. You don't go from the board of directors to non-involvement. And besides it's the money he stands to gain on the line here. Which a big chunk would go directly to NOM regardless of his public standing with them.
 
First, whether Card does or not, its naive to think someone has to experience intolerance or oppression in order to have moral ground to talk about tolerance. Tolerance reaches much further than simply rights and minorities.

On topic: I'm not guilt tripping anyone, I'm simply pointing out reasons why the boycott here is an overreaction. And to that end, why should anyone else be guilt tripped into skipping it, when the raving homophobe your complaining about was kept at a distance from the project all along? It doesn't take long to find tons of information about how everyone involved didn't want Card too close to things, for fear of just this type of backlash. So what, because he had some small minded, fundamentally religious views, the story itself (which you attest to being wonderful) is simply ruined, period, end of story? At this point it couldn't truly be considered an inability to separate him from his work, as the work in question is actually an interpretation and representation of his work, created by Director and screenplay writer Gavin Hood. Card supplied the story, and some money, that's about it. And granted, he'll make some money off the movie, but to honestly think the sales of this movie will affect him, or his "tooth and nail" fighting of us is naive and silly. He is not desperate for the money, and if he\s fighting against our rights as hard as you propose that he is, then he's probably already donating regularly, more money than this movie would make him. Which makes the fact that you loved the book, and have been waiting for the movie that long and are still so devoutly against it so silly to me. How far away does he have to be remoed from it before Ender's Game is "safe" again? As soon as he dies, is it all of a sudden going to be okay to watch this movie? To enjoy the story again? What if they make another movie when he dies, will that be okay?

Give me a break. Sure Card is a bigot, a homophobe and a religious zealot, but boycotting a movie, based on his hugely successful (read: already has filthy stupid amounts of money) book does not change that. It simply comes across as us being the "fad" these days, and trying to flex our muscles and use whatever power we've gained as a result of it. It comes across as pointless and vapid.

But hey, you're not here to hear opinions about it, so I'll get out of your hair now. Enjoy your... whatever you call it. :wave:
 
I really like the book. I really like most of Card's books. I will happily read them, but I will not pay for them. I will sit in a bookstore and read them, get them from a library, or buy them used, but I will not give this talented but slimy little man a penny. I feel the same about the movie. If I can buy a used copy and watch it, I will.
 
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