On Topic Discussion Glee actor Mark Salling, 35, found dead

[coltonhaynes]

Re: Mark Salling dead

I can't believe that people rejoice in his death.

I know he did terrible things, but he quite obvioustly knew it too, and it drove him into commiting suicide.

Now peole are teling him to rest in piss or in shit. Like he obvioustly killed himself because he couldn't find peace while he's living, I can't believe people want him to suffer even in death.

I think indifference towards his death is the very least he deserves.

If he had deserved to die for it he would have been sentenced. The prison sentence could have corrected him, and then after 7 years he would have been 42 and there'd have been plenty of time for him to find a happy ending.

It breaks my heart to see that he will never get one.

 

[mikemizanin729]

Re: Mark Salling dead

I can't believe that people rejoice in his death.

I know he did terrible things, but he quite obvioustly knew it too, and it drove him into commiting suicide.

Now peole are teling him to rest in piss or in shit. Like he obvioustly killed himself because he couldn't find peace while he's living, I can't believe people want him to suffer even in death.

I think indifference towards his death is the very least he deserves.

If he had deserved to die for it he would have been sentenced. The prison sentence could have corrected him, and then after 7 years he would have been 42 and there'd have been plenty of time for him to find a happy ending.

It breaks my heart to see that he will never get one.

Are you talking about people online making those comments? Because twitter trolls hate everything.

I don't rejoice over his death, but I can understand why some people would not care if he was dead. And if he couldn't handle the hate after his crime, then he shouldn't have looked at kiddie porn pics to begin with. He most likely killed himself because he knew he was off to prision and his acting career was finished.

 

[LeicsDom]

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Meanwhile, those who actually did the abuse and took the pictures are probably scot-free and quite possibly still doing it. Perhaps the anger would be better directed toward them.

Of course there must be anger at the abusers/photographers but without viewers there would be no market for the pictures

 

[rareboy]

Re: Mark Salling dead

To collect the vast number of images that he had indicates a pretty disturbed sexual obsession.....i'm assuming that he was not convicted of actually having sex with a minor?

The fascination with pre-pubescents is something I have no frame of reference for. But I know people who work in this area of Forensics mental health and it seems that besides some triggering event, many paedophiles share a structural dysfunction in their brain activity.

I never watched Glee, so I don't even know who this guy is, but I guess he must have felt that his life was over.

 

[LeicsDom]

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And leave it to a lawyer to refer to child porn use as an error in judgement. As if.

I thought that. 50,000 errors of judgement more like!

 

[NotHardUp1]

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I mean more that child porn isn't a matter of error, but intent.

Robbing someone isn't an error in judgement -- it's malice, and predatory, not an error. It's intent and following a plan that is evil.

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Mark Selling dead

TBW, I've no idea how they get away with it, perhaps they are all over 18, certainly don't look it, perhaps that's the market they're going for, i'm not even sure it's on the banned list anymore, i just remember it was when i got here, you usually run across there stuff on twink porn tumblrs, i see it frequently when i'm going through Helix heavy tumblrs, it's an easy mistake to make though as sometimes the logo is shaded at the bottom or missing all together, the pics however all have the same look and unmistakable sheen about them.

I found it by googling 'angels' for a Christmas card one year so I doubt it is under age, no matter whether it looks it or not

 

[coltonhaynes]

Re: Mark Salling dead

Are you talking about people online making those comments? Because twitter trolls hate everything.

Fair enough.

I don't rejoice over his death, but I can understand why some people would not care if he was dead.

That's okay. I just hate peopel rejoicing. I think indifference is the very least he should expect if he's not going to receive grief.

And if he couldn't handle the hate after his crime, then he shouldn't have looked at kiddie porn pics to begin with. He most likely killed himself because he knew he was off to prision and his acting career was finished.

That's unrealistic. Criminals think: "Will or will I not get caught?" They don't consider how they will be punished for it at that moment. For the same reason it is proven that harder punishment does not reduce crime rates.

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: Mark Salling dead

Of course there must be anger at the abusers/photographers but without viewers there would be no market for the pictures

That's the problem. The crime is human trafficking. This isn't a commercial studio that produces a product. It's a group of guys (and it's exclusively guys) who procure children for sex. Some of them take pictures and videos of it to trade with others who have a similar interest.

This story is a pretty typical example of traders:
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...t-of-Almost-80-Child-Predators-461295853.html

Or this one:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...rested-dallas-child-pornography-investigation

Or this one:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/...rested-canadian-child-pornography-f2D11599561

Arresting 400 men puts a big dent in this market. Arresting 1 celebrity doesn't change much.

To collect the vast number of images that he had indicates a pretty disturbed sexual obsession.....i'm assuming that he was not convicted of actually having sex with a minor?

There's a group of these guys who are super-collectors. They're addicted to collecting forbidden materials. No one could possibly be masturbating to 50,000 pictures and from the information in the indictments against Salling, he had adult girlfriends (one of whom turned him in after a fight). There were no accusations that he was involved in child procurement or human trafficking.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Re: Mark Salling dead

this sad excuse for a man was mentally ill----He probably did the right thing for himself----laws need to be changed from someone who downloads free pics but doesn't;t touch a kid and the creeps who are manufacturing this kind of thing----in this country rational people tried to change the laws in this country but when they do---the right wing says they support peodos so nothing ever changes.

 

[gsdx]

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I know he did terrible things, but he quite obvioustly knew it too, and it drove him into commiting suicide.

Getting caught drove him to suicide. If he hadn't got caught, he would be alive today and happily spreading his perversion around. And all the 'chances' he could have had would have been for naught. Prison does not 'correct' perversions. Even chemical castration doesn't 'correct' perversions. The perversions never, ever, go away as long as the person is alive.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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this sad excuse for a man was mentally ill----He probably did the right thing for himself----laws need to be changed from someone who downloads free pics but doesn't;t touch a kid and the creeps who are manufacturing this kind of thing----in this country rational people tried to change the laws in this country but when they do---the right wing says they support peodos so nothing ever changes.

Not sure how that works. How does one ensure that someone who downloads child porn isn going to exercise self-restraint when in the company of a vulnerable child? Of course everyone who's caught is going to say "I just watched the videos I never touched a kid." Of course that's just my personal thought, under the law I am fairly certain someone in possession of kid porn isn't punished similarly to someone who has assaulted a child. Maybe I'm wrong?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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That's the problem. The crime is human trafficking. This isn't a commercial studio that produces a product. It's a group of guys (and it's exclusively guys) who procure children for sex.

Gotta disagree here. Women are involved in child porn as well, over the years I dunno how many stories I've read about mothers, aunts girlfriends et cetera willingly turning their children over to pervs to make kid porn. If you're talking grand scheme the business as a whole yeah you're right though.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

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One thing we have to keep in mind when we talk about him not hurting children directly, is the fact he quite clearly was a violent man. He settled out of court on charges of sexual battery and more women were coming forward with rape allegations against him.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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One thing we have to keep in mind when we talk about him not hurting children directly, is the fact he quite clearly was a violent man. He settled out of court on charges of sexual battery and more women were coming forward with rape allegations against him.

But he was like totes hot so I'm like totes grieving right now because my pilates instructor says I need to create a.... ok that wasn't as fun as I thought it would be, and I usually get a hellafied kick out of mocking people. What's wrong with me this morning?

*As it also dawns on me how different the reactions would be if he were 56 years old with a bald spot, beer gut and liver spots on his forehead.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Mark Salling dead

But he was like totes hot so I'm like totes grieving right now because my pilates instructor says I need to create a.... ok that wasn't as fun as I thought it would be, and I usually get a hellafied kick out of mocking people. What's wrong with me this morning?

*As it also dawns on me how different the reactions would be if he were 56 years old with a bald spot, beer gut and liver spots on his forehead.

Stage one of grief - the world has become meaningless to you due to the loss of our darling Mark.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Mark Salling dead

That's the problem. The crime is human trafficking. This isn't a commercial studio that produces a product. It's a group of guys (and it's exclusively guys) who procure children for sex. Some of them take pictures and videos of it to trade with others who have a similar interest.

This story is a pretty typical example of traders:
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...t-of-Almost-80-Child-Predators-461295853.html

Or this one:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...rested-dallas-child-pornography-investigation

Or this one:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/...rested-canadian-child-pornography-f2D11599561

Arresting 400 men puts a big dent in this market. Arresting 1 celebrity doesn't change much.



There's a group of these guys who are super-collectors. They're addicted to collecting forbidden materials. No one could possibly be masturbating to 50,000 pictures and from the information in the indictments against Salling, he had adult girlfriends (one of whom turned him in after a fight). There were no accusations that he was involved in child procurement or human trafficking.

Why are you trying to relinquish responsibility here? Him downloading this stuff is a part of the overall problem. He isn’t innocent because he wasn’t directly involved, he is one of the reasons this exists. Otherwise there would be no reason for the people who share it, to share it.

He killed himself for a reason as well, because he got caught, not because of guilt. Otherwise he would have done so years ago.

I understand there are basically no avenues for these people to seek help when it comes to this and they’re vilified as monsters even when not actually viewing child porn or touching a child, in that case maybe I would actually have sympathy for a person, but this is not that case.

By having those photos and videos, he enjoyed them and gave not a single fuck of what kind of abuse that was involved to those children when it came to making these. There is something wrong when someone can look beyond that kind of abuse and enjoy it instead of doing something about it.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Stage one of grief - the world has become meaningless to you due to the loss of our darling Mark.

Oh I'm past that, I'm at the stage where I play pseudo-intellectual gymnastics to soften his image and rationalize the horrible things he'd done. That bitch had it coming Mark was usually such a sweet guy I don't know why it's a big deal that he smacked a few hoes around a couple of times I mean come on, who here hasn't ever done anything wrong ever in life? That totally makes it ok. *drops mic and exits stage left smugly*

 

[sixthson]

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What are the odds that these "collectors" stop at just sharing pictures? Slim, I'd say.

 

[eastofeden]

Re: Mark Salling dead

His big thing in interviews was to tell everyone what a devout Christian he is when he first got on GLEE...way before any of this.

I never trust anyone who brags about it. I know they think it tells people how "wonderful" they are. I have another opinion....and it isn't a good one.

Of course there are some wonderful people who happen to be Christian..they don't announce it all the time though.

Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart and Anita Bryant and Jerry Falwell and their "Moral Majority" taught me ALOT ...and I will never forget it.