GOProud puts economics before gay marriage at ‘Homocon’ dance party in Tampa

[TX-Beau]

We're in the process of paying lawyers thousands and thousands of dollars to procure us SOME of the privileges of marriage, which the lawyers tell us can be challenged by either family if one of us dies anyway.

 

[chance1]

Gay couples will miss out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in benefits in their lifetimes. They will miss out on income tax credits, supplemental social security, a host of military benefits, privileges under the Family and Medical Leave Act, transfer of property, notice of probate after death of a spouse, sponsorship for immigration, joint filing for bankruptcy, and the list goes on and on.

Doesn't sound like a get rich quick scheme to me.

great points

and the idea of being "rich" is for effect - choosing wealth over civil rights

the problem is that the economy is so fucking bad that we're not talking about "wealth", we're talking about "survival"

little different perspective

and immediate scorn is "fun" for the dead cause it's all they know but it's not that cut and dry

 

[chance1]

Do you just type for the heck of it? Do you ever offer anything to back up your claims?

23 million reasons

53% of recent college grads are unemployed or underemployed

do you read anything other than on JUB?

 

[chance1]

I read plenty, apparently you don't and you never back up your rambunctious and outrageous claims. What do the republicans offer in alternative? More unemployment.

you just got pounded - only it wasn't enjoyable i know

53% of recent college grads - with very little hope

 

[TX-Beau]

Recent college grads are usually unemployed, they're looking for jobs, because - they just graduated. Care to be more specific.

 

[chance1]

EXACTLY. Or many of us are in temporary work as we put in our applications. It takes time... especially if I plan to do my foreign service exam.

Chance isn't a college grad... so he's not really well in tune on this one.

I'd quote Harry Reid's "word is out"

in that "the word is out that Chance isn't a college grad"

but you don't know who Harry Reid is so I won't

 

[chance1]

Recent college grads are usually unemployed, they're looking for jobs, because - they just graduated. Care to be more specific.

things are much worse - which is a shame - and probably points to declining support and enthusiasm for BO

take a look see

53% of Recent College Grads Are Jobless or Underemployed—How? - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

 

[chance1]

Incoherence. You're making assumptions about people you don't even care about. Many college grads vote democrat. Republicans tend to talk a lot but have LITTLE to show for it.

i was responding to your "chance isn't a college graduate" comment

your posting style/substance precedes you

 

[TX-Beau]

things are much worse - which is a shame - and probably points to declining support and enthusiasm for BO

take a look see

53% of Recent College Grads Are Jobless or Underemployed—How? - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

From your own source.

"When there were fewer graduates, a generic college degree used to be a valuable credential. Now that the market is flooded, diplomas count less, and specific skills count more. "

It didn't mention Barack Obama once. Where exactly did you get that about "declining support" for BO in that article. Enlighten me.

otherwise bullshit walks.

 

[GhostMost]

I have to assume that Ghost Most is a provocateur.

No one could be that dull.

Thank you.

IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE "You'll understand one day" is the shortest path to everyone thinking you are a moron. Nothing screams insecurity and immaturity louder than artificially trying to put yourself above your opponent like that.

If it's the truth then I'll say it, I'm not trying to belittle you or Carlo, just presenting my money's worth.

Also- I respect that you don't want to get married (many do not), but how does anything you wrote have to do with self-respect? Wouldn't a self-respecting person want the equal opportunity as everyone else even if they they are not interested? Perhaps, you are simply apathetic or self-loathing, which is unfortunate, but far more respectable. But to go off on some random righteous spiel about self-respect because you just don't care doesn't quite make sense to me...

A self-respecting person knows what they want and they're confident with themselves. I don't have to worry about others to gain self-respect that's rediculous. Like why of all things would you attack this lol.

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reference my avatar, oh shit guys i'm bad

 

[GhostMost]

Not trying to belittle huh? Then why do you say "you'll understand one day?" What am I supposed to understand? Your views? Absolutely. I do understand them and do not accept them as accurate. Simple as that. Come back to reality.

Did you watch the DNC tonight? Those were messages of hope, reality and inspiration. Not the hatred, bigotry and outright lies at the RNC last week.

Nope nor did watch the rnc too busy studying for my law class. Oh sorry I'm back now. That wasn't belittling if I wanted to I would have said you are childish, ignorant, and one of my least favorite users on here, but I didn't nor do I think that.

 

[Rolyo85]

Oh you're so independent and self-sufficient... Doesn't matter where you are in life, how poorly everyone treats you. As long as THE ECONOMY is good, whatever that means.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'd much rather have a secure job, and a secure life than care about marriage at the moment. With the experience he has with business and finances, I can definitely put gay marriage on hold.
. . . .
That's weird because I told my friend I'm not voting for Obama today and she looked at me and was baffled and said I have to because I'm gay.

Your friend should have told you you have to vote for Obama because you want a secure job.

The forecasts if Romney's policies are implemented is a loss of over one million jobs his first year, and over two million more the next year. After that, things will get bad.

For Obama, if the Republicans retain the House, the forecast is that things will keep plodding along, slowly getting better. If the Republicans lose the House, the jobs bills -- like the one helping small businesses -- the Republicans have killed will get passed, and the odds are good that there will be two million jobs added to the economy the first year of his new term. If the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy are allowed to expire, significant progress will be made on shrinking the deficit.

First year difference: a gap of over three million jobs between Romney and Obama. One of those three million could be yours.

 

[Kulindahr]

this is every human's ideal not just republicans you all just don't want to admit it and want to trick yourselves into altruistic ideals which are impossible.

Bullshit. The gray faux philosopher who exalted selfishness was a sad, warped woman with an outlook suitable more for cannibals than for civilized people. The earlier filthy rich in this country understood that there's no reason for having great wealth except giving back.

 

[Kulindahr]

23 million reasons

53% of recent college grads are unemployed or underemployed

do you read anything other than on JUB?

And that's exactly why anyone with good sense will vote for Obama. The "job gap" between him and Romney is a forecast full three million jobs in the first year in the new term -- Romney's policies will destroy over a million jobs, while Obama's (if the Republicans lose the House) will generate over two million.

 

[GhostMost]

Bullshit. The gray faux philosopher who exalted selfishness was a sad, warped woman with an outlook suitable more for cannibals than for civilized people. The earlier filthy rich in this country understood that there's no reason for having great wealth except giving back.

The rich already give back, even in these modern times. I want a secure job due to my superiority and skills not based on the government backing me up. Give me those Romney loss statistics then I will consider revising.

Oh you're so independent and self-sufficient... Doesn't matter where you are in life, how poorly everyone treats you. As long as THE ECONOMY is good, whatever that means.

Once I prove myself to the people who really matter then everyone will treat me as an equal or even a superior, natural selection will do it's course I guess. I never said it didn't matter where I am in life, that's preposterous. The economy being good is essential for me so yes the economy is just a tool, just like money is only an instrument.

 

[CoolBlue71]

chance1 writes:

and the idea of being "rich" is for effect - choosing wealth over civil rights

A gay person saying that being rich is more important to him/her than his/her civil rights reveals that he/she doesn't actually care about having such rights. That he/she doesn't care about having equality in a functioning society which includes whether his/her "marriage" would be legally recognized … and recognized with the same benefits given heterosexual married people. A gay person taking that position is saying that "money" is more important than "dignity." And that, for a price, he/she can be bought [out].

the problem is that the economy is so fucking bad that we're not talking about "wealth", we're talking about "survival"

The economy is the nation's worst since the 1930s. And … no. "Wealth" has not been dismissed. Both wealth and "survival" are in the conversation.

 

[GhostMost]

The rich don't give back. They pay one of the lowest level of taxes since 1930. Capital gains tax is the lowest it has ever been. Romney is terrible for the economy and his policies are contradictory to any job growth. If you want a good economy and if it is essential to you, the republicans aren't offering a good future.

You make blanket accusations... accusing people like myself of taking government assistance and not showing true quality. You're direly wrong.

Do you have a job? Tell your employer and the owner's of your company that. Come back to me when you receive a reply from them.

 

[GhostMost]

A gay person saying that being rich is more important to him/her than his/her civil rights reveals that he/she doesn't actually care about having such rights. That he/she doesn't care about having equality in a functioning society which includes whether his/her "marriage" would be legally recognized … and recognized with the same benefits given heterosexual married people. A gay person taking that position is saying that "money" is more important than "dignity." And that, for a price, he/she can be bought [out].


The economy is the nation's worst since the 1930s. And … no. "Wealth" has not been dismissed. Both wealth and "survival" are in the conversation.

Like I said money is an instrument, my hard work and my ideas give my life a purpose, money is a way to insure I survive in this world and in this time. I don't know how else to explain it.

 

[TX-Beau]

Are you kidding, your boss ONLY employs you so long as you make money for HIM. The moment that stops you're fired.

It's called capitalism.