Governor is Waiting to Veto Gay Marriage Legislation

[hotatlboi]

And if they do that, when will couples be able to marry? By the way, the will override the veto won't they? It doesn't make sense to vote "yes" the first time and "no" the second, or am I missing something here?

The bill did not pass with the required 2/3 majority to override.

They need 3 more votes in the Senate and 12 more in the Assembly.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

The bill did not pass with the required 2/3 majority to override.

They need 3 more votes in the Senate and 12 more in the Assembly.

Ah, of course, how silly of me. The usual two-thirds. There's 40 in the senate and 80 in the assembly, so the vote so far was 24 in the senate and 42 in the assembly? Looks difficult. -Sigh-

 

[Zeno Lorea]

for what it's worth, Christie was against gay marriage long before he was a national figure.



compared to many other Republicans, he's relatively moderate. that doesn't mean he's pro-gay marriage.

With more than 50% of Americans now in favor of gay marriage according to all polls, his opposition to it places him on the conservative side of moderate, doesn't it?

 

[Zeno Lorea]

given the choice, though, would you rather be:

a) married, but homeless and unemployed because businesses are fleeing your state because of high taxes

b) civil union'ed and employed, paying competitive tax rates to neighboring states


obviously the ideal choice would be "c) married and employed," but while the Democrats in New Jersey can be trusted to pass gay marriage legislation, their previous history in NJ has demonstrated that they can't so much be trusted with the fiscal affairs of the state.

Oh yes, what a mess NJ is in. What a failed state. What a dirt-poor backwater. According to wikipedia: "Its per capita gross state product in 2008 was $54,699, 2nd in the U.S. and above the national per capita gross domestic product of $46,588. Its per-capita income was the third highest in the nation with $51,358." Also: "It is ranked 2nd in the nation by the number of places with per capita incomes above national average with 76.4%. Nine of New Jersey's counties are in the wealthiest 100 of the country." And finally: "New Jersey has the highest disparity of any state in the United States between what it gives to the federal government and what it receives." Moreover: "As of 2005, New Jersey has never been above 48th in rank for per capita federal spending (with a rank of 50th for the majority of that time) since 1982, while being second or third in per capita federal taxes paid to Washington." Draining your resources, aren't they?

Forgive me my sarcasm, Loki81. The thing is, there are not yet many states you can move to if you want to get married. There are a lot more states you can move to if you want a better job. And you already live in one such state, though maybe not in the best city.

 

[swerve]

Stop making excuses for Christie. Regardless if he promised to veto gay marriage and stood by his "Republican moral character," it is still wrong.

This was a social injustice.

You should be outraged! You should be angry! This man doesn't deserve an explanation, he deserves spit in his face! For every self-respecting homosexual, there comes a time when you no longer accept your rights as a "political issue." I am not a veto, nor am I campaign promise. I am an American citizen, and my future partner that I raise a home and family with should be recognized by the state and federal government as my husband. There is no compromise. There is no excuse. There is only equality and fairness under the law that I abide and pay taxes for!

 

[Ninja108]

In time, he will be remembered the same way George Wallace was..as a bigot who stood in the way of what was right.

 

[chrisrobin]

In time, he will be remembered the same way George Wallace was..as a bigot who stood in the way of what was right.

BOLD CLAIM: The supporters of George Wallace were early teabaggers. The actors are different, but the play's the same.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well, actually, a bit off-topic, but obesity has to me always been a sign of mental deficiency (when it isn't genetic)...

Ah, the Soviet model of mental illness: anything socially objectionable gets categorized as a mental aberration. Shall we designate traffic violations as signs of mental aberration next? or sloppy housekeeping?

I knew someone who was seriously overweight because he was brilliant and when he got excited by a new idea, he got a serious case of the munchies. What was his "mental deficiency" -- enthusiasm?

given the choice, though, would you rather be:

a) married, but homeless and unemployed because businesses are fleeing your state because of high taxes

b) civil union'ed and employed, paying competitive tax rates to neighboring states


obviously the ideal choice would be "c) married and employed," but while the Democrats in New Jersey can be trusted to pass gay marriage legislation, their previous history in NJ has demonstrated that they can't so much be trusted with the fiscal affairs of the state.

This is called changing the subject. The claim was that destitute people can't exercise the right to marry. That's false.

Interesting note about NJ Democrats, though.

 

[Kulindahr]

Stop making excuses for Christie. Regardless if he promised to veto gay marriage and stood by his "Republican moral character," it is still wrong.

This was a social injustice.

You should be outraged! You should be angry! This man doesn't deserve an explanation, he deserves spit in his face! For every self-respecting homosexual, there comes a time when you no longer accept your rights as a "political issue." I am not a veto, nor am I campaign promise. I am an American citizen, and my future partner that I raise a home and family with should be recognized by the state and federal government as my husband. There is no compromise. There is no excuse. There is only equality and fairness under the law that I abide and pay taxes for!

I wonder if pigeons could be trained to land on his head and poop. He's big enough to qualify as a monument, and perhaps a more appropriate target for fowl defecation than public works of art.

 

[Lostlover]

Actually I think intelligent people, gay or straight, wouldn't find anyone here "defending" Christie at all, just coming down hard on the very juvenile behavior of making a point of his being overweight rather than focusing on the real issue.

Intelligent people would respect that because they understand that there's no connection between a man's body mass and his political or personal views, and to link the two is a total sign of immaturity. Then they'd wonder how gays expect to be taken seriously when such juvenile people act as though they're representatives of the community.




'Jus' sayin'."

And who linked the two?

 

[Kulindahr]

BOLD CLAIM: The supporters of George Wallace were early teabaggers. The actors are different, but the play's the same.

Not even. The supporters of Wallace lacked any claim to a legitimate issue such as keeping government small and fiscally prudent.

But if they showed up today, probably the majority of them would migrate to the Tea Party promptly.

Though it would be nice to see a lot of the Tea Party people repent and ask forgiveness for their hateful positions, as he did.

 

[Kulindahr]

Self respect could not be bought with 1000 checkbooks.

Definitely.

Those who talk about a "need" to maintain a job sound fear-motivated to me. I've been homeless, it didn't kill me, didn't destroy me as a person, probably made me stronger, and definitely made me appreciate the value of human relationships more.

Or maybe people who "need" to have paychecks don't understand the value of human relationships?

 

[Kulindahr]

And who linked the two?

The guy who wrote the original title to this thread.

 

[Lostlover]

The guy who wrote the original title to this thread.

Please tell me where I said that Christie is a bigot because he's a fat ass...

Do you want to know what the bogus part of this is? One of the people that took offense at me calling Christie a "fat ass" wrote MoltenRock a PM calling him a "yellow-skinned, slant-eyed freak." If that's not bogus and phony, I don't know what is.

 

[Rolyo85]

Not really. Equality is not about any one particular right, it's about you being a second class citizen or not. This governor tells you that you are less of a human than your straight neighbors, and this - to me - overrides absolutely EVERYTHING else he might or might not be doing for your state.

Also, as a foreign student who hopes to be able to stay in this country, the difference between marriage and a civil union is the world to me. Not to mention the other benefits that you simply don't get from unions.

 

[Rolyo85]

I am well aware of DOMA, but the more states that turn same sex marriage into law, the more the tide turns, the higher the chances DOMA will be repealed.

This is an "all or nothing" issue to me. It doesn't matter what else someone does, if his stance on gay rights is on the wrong side, he is in the enemy camp.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

This is an "all or nothing" issue to me. It doesn't matter what else someone does, if his stance on gay rights is on the wrong side, he is in the enemy camp.

And that's the way it is.

 

[CowboyBob]

Christie is pandering to his base. He's set his sights on higher political office and you'll see that in 2016. The repubs want him to run for President so naturally he needs to appear to be against any gay rights advances.

Don't know if that's a good idea as the Presidency is a very stressful job and his obesity makes him unhealthy. Wasn't he in the hospital last year form some weight related issue or something like that?

 

[JB3]

This is called changing the subject. The claim was that destitute people can't exercise the right to marry. That's false.

That's not actually what I said though. (or, to make it a little more clear, that's not what I intended to say, now that I see an extraneous addition to the end of one of the sentences in that post) What I meant was that having the right to marry is all well and good, but having a job is important as well. (in a very different way, of course)

 

[JB3]

Stop making excuses for Christie. Regardless if he promised to veto gay marriage and stood by his "Republican moral character," it is still wrong.

This was a social injustice.

You should be outraged! You should be angry! This man doesn't deserve an explanation, he deserves spit in his face! For every self-respecting homosexual, there comes a time when you no longer accept your rights as a "political issue." I am not a veto, nor am I campaign promise. I am an American citizen, and my future partner that I raise a home and family with should be recognized by the state and federal government as my husband. There is no compromise. There is no excuse. There is only equality and fairness under the law that I abide and pay taxes for!

To be clear, myself and a few others in this thread weren't excusing his veto. We were saying that him being a fat ass has nothing to do with him being a bigot.