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Healthcare going forward

Thank you, Sen. McCain, for reminding us that there are at least one or two Republican Senators who still have good principles.

Final tally: 49 Yea, 51 Nay, on the "skinny repeal"

John McCain may have saved untold thousands of lives tonight.

And 49 Republicans (and never fewer than, I think 45, on any of the three options) on the record for wanting to let the sick and the poor die.
 
Thank you, Sen. McCain, for reminding us that there are at least one or two Republican Senators who still have good principles.

Final tally: 49 Yea, 51 Nay, on the "skinny repeal"

John McCain may have saved untold thousands of lives tonight.

And 49 Republicans (and never fewer than, I think 45, on any of the three options) on the record for wanting to let the sick and the poor die.

I didn't realize how tense I've been about this until I read the result here and felt muscles all the way down my back relax.
 
McTurtle looks like he's about to cry

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How long is Trump going to tie up the Senate over a vendetta?

Isn't there anything else that needs tending?
 
It depends on whether you think Obama care can survive without improvement. I think it is circling the drain.

I will second Gsdx here, Obama care may or may not be able to survive and may even be circling the drain but none of that is relevant if the efforts to deal with the situation does not IMPROVE it. Republicans have turned repealing Obamacare and to a lesser degree, everything else Obama has done into a fetish just like they did with tax cuts. Until they are willing to set that aside and work with the Congress as a whole to solve the problems they deserve to fail.
 
Eye of the storm. The Deplorable-in-Chief will let Obamacare collapse under its own weight. As early as now, the Democratic Party and their allies must mobilize grassroots forces on red states that are highly vulnerable to Obamacare collapse and rally people there to lobby their Representatives and Senators to come out with a workable solution to address the upcoming collapse.

At this point, we need to discuss what solutions can the Democrats offer that will pass the Republican House and Senate before the 2018 mid-term elections.

My spider sense is telling me that Big Health Insurance will still have a hand in writing the law on this one. Nonetheless, Democrats must push firmly the conversation towards Medicare for All. As for Republicans, they will push this on market-based principles. What I am seeing at the moment is if the Democrats will pull very strong towards Medicare for All, the most realistic outcome they can work with the Republicans is that from state-based insurance exchange, there will be nationwide-based insurance exchange. Instead at the state level, the risk pool and the market for competing insurers will be way much larger at the national level. If the rules of the level playing field of the market goes as theorized, premiums must go low.

Another battle will be how much of the contribution will go to medical expenses and that of overhead costs and profit. As claimed by the America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), 17.8% of the contributions go to operating cost and 2.7% to profit. Perhaps the Obamacare's medical loss ratio (MLR) provision has something to do with it where it requires health insurers in the individual and small group market to spend 80 percent of their premiums (after subtracting taxes and regulatory fees) on medical costs.. But unfortunately, some states requested for waivers due to non-competitiveness of the health insurance industry in the area. A good example provided by the healthcare blog is Maine

Why did these States receive waivers? For a variety of reasons, but one of the reasons is due to the fact that some states have a less competitive medical market. Maine, for instance, requested a MLR of 65%. The reason was that State only has two large commercial insurers, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield (with 49% of the market) and MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company (with 33% of the market). A public-private partnership, DirigoChoice, makes up most of the rest of the market. Three HMO’s have less than 1% of the market combined between them. To avoid the case where a large insurer would leave the market due to minimum MLR requirements and create a near monopoly, HHS decided to approve Maine’s request.

Given what happened to Maine, genuine advocates of free market approach to healthcare must be amenable to a nationwide-based insurance exchanges where the pool will be so large that with the right regulation will depress prices of health care premiums.

But still if Democrats would strongerly play hardball, they must move that healthcare insurers who will enter the nationwide-based insurance exchange to have their MLR at 85%-90%. Put the Republicans to task of draining the swamp in the health insurance industry. To put things in perspective, the Democrats must argue that health insurers must be as efficient as Medicare. In 2015, the total expenditure for Medicare is US $646.2 B. The administrative costs for Medicare on the same period amounts to US $41.219 B or 6.38%. Is that a deal or no deal to Big Health Insurance?

Now the question is are Democrats will have the spine of steel to play hardball against the Republicans? That is what we have to see.
 
I will second Gsdx here, Obama care may or may not be able to survive and may even be circling the drain
No thanks to so many of the "red states" that steadfastly fail to have the Medicaid expansion, as well as the certainty that Republicans will make it fail by "the death of a thousand cuts" by incrementally making sure that some parts of ACA/Obamacare are no longer funded. Bet on it.

No doubt Planned Parenthood is no further down than second or third, on the hit list of things they'll try to do now.
 
Thank you to Senators Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and especially to Senator John McCain last night on their no vote joining all Democrats on this "Skinny Repeal" crap. That it got so close to passing with the 49 GOP votes in favor show just how bereft of any credibility today's GOP is. Of course, President Trump will do nothing to help the ACA (aka "Obamacare") and everything to sabotage it just to prove how bad it is, even though with basic bipartisan approved fixes it could be significantly improved. Of course he and a lot of his supporters and other Republicans don't want that. Strange because some years back Trump, when he was more a New York moderate Republican, actually was strongly for a public option(and even Obamacare really isn't that overall).

I was so happy to see Senator Mitch Mc Connell look so dejected... serves you right, putz!
 
They say that facing one's mortality sometimes helps one focus on whats important. I think that was a factor in McCain's vote, he honestly wants to make things better. He is now a martyr though, he has become the far right's enemy of the people number one. Expect the word traitor and far, far worse to be thrown at him over the next year or so.

So we come back to my original question, what is the way forward from here if we really want to improve health care? The Administration is going to want to sabotage the ACA as much as possible to force their predictions of a collapse to become reality. If the Congress will get serious the first step is to take the immediate action to prevent such sabotage and provide such funding as is necessary to stabilize the markets for now. That would be largely in appropriating the funds that Trump is currently holding hostage and provide for a reinsurance plan. Then they can begin the hard work of figuring out how to reform the system for the better.
 
They say that facing one's mortality sometimes helps one focus on whats important. I think that was a factor in McCain's vote, he honestly wants to make things better. He is now a martyr though, he has become the far right's enemy of the people number one. Expect the word traitor and far, far worse to be thrown at him over the next year or so.

The truth...
 
So we come back to my original question, what is the way forward from here if we really want to improve health care? The Administration is going to want to sabotage the ACA as much as possible to force their predictions of a collapse to become reality. If the Congress will get serious the first step is to take the immediate action to prevent such sabotage and provide such funding as is necessary to stabilize the markets for now. That would be largely in appropriating the funds that Trump is currently holding hostage and provide for a reinsurance plan. Then they can begin the hard work of figuring out how to reform the system for the better.

That's the only goal of the current administration.
 
That's the only goal of the current administration.

No the only goal, but allowing ACA to collapse from its inherent flaws is one way to keep his promise to the American people if he cannot get it repealed.
 
They say that facing one's mortality sometimes helps one focus on whats important. I think that was a factor in McCain's vote, he honestly wants to make things better. He is now a martyr though, he has become the far right's enemy of the people number one. Expect the word traitor and far, far worse to be thrown at him over the next year or so.

So we come back to my original question, what is the way forward from here if we really want to improve health care? The Administration is going to want to sabotage the ACA as much as possible to force their predictions of a collapse to become reality. If the Congress will get serious the first step is to take the immediate action to prevent such sabotage and provide such funding as is necessary to stabilize the markets for now. That would be largely in appropriating the funds that Trump is currently holding hostage and provide for a reinsurance plan. Then they can begin the hard work of figuring out how to reform the system for the better.

All the money is going to the defense budget. He will without a doubt do everything in his power to sink ACA so he can crow about how right he was. Everything after all, is all about him.
 
Just an FYI ...Mazie Hirono ..the Democrat Senator from Hawaii..showed up for the vote in the middle of battling Stage Four Kidney Cancer...she could have been the critical vote as well.....

It's "odd" what the media focuses on..and what they don't. It is also "odd" that Donald hates them so much because without them reposting on him 24/7...he probably wouldn't have won the Republican nomination....

...I would rather focus on Hirono who stands with me most of....maybe even all... the time....and without her it would not have passed.
 
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