The Original Gay Porn Community - Free Gay Movies and Photos, Gay Porn Site Reviews and Adult Gay Forums

  • Welcome To Just Us Boys - The World's Largest Gay Message Board Community

    In order to comply with recent US Supreme Court rulings regarding adult content, we will be making changes in the future to require that you log into your account to view adult content on the site.
    If you do not have an account, please register.
    REGISTER HERE - 100% FREE / We Will Never Sell Your Info

    To register, turn off your VPN; you can re-enable the VPN after registration. You must maintain an active email address on your account: disposable email addresses cannot be used to register.

Healthcare going forward

I no longer call anything that Republicans are trying to pass, "health care."

I have taken to calling their agenda what it really is - "health genocide" bills.

I know who the real death panel is.

The federal government did not take "control" under the ACA. What the federal government did do was eliminate the millions in junk policies that were regularly being issued across this country
Of course the Ted Cruz amendment seeks to make such junk insurance the law of the land for those who are healthy; things like ER, prescriptions, etc. don't even get covered. (And how high are the deductibles?) Those who are sick and who need insurance will be shuttled into the insurance ghetto where the premiums will escalate to horrific and impossible levels.

These people don't even know the fundamentals of what insurance is. Insurance is ALL about spreading risk among a large pool of people.

I haven't seen Benvolio complaining about his property insurance because his house didn't burn down.
 
At this point, I'm convinced that when Barack Obama said "If you like your insurance, you'll be allowed to keep it" [paraphrased?], he was actually unaware of how many policies were out there, that were utter rubbish.

On the other hand, I'm not really sure there are all that many people out there who **LIKE** health insurance, LOL. Very hard to "like" something you're paying $6,300 or $17,000 for each year when you don't get much benefit from it. (Wait 'til you get sick, of course...)

Single payer, and not worrying about health insurance as such, would be so much better - not to mention how much of an edge it would give back to U. S. corporations who are paying employee health benefits, a burden not shared in much of the rest of the world.
 
The biggest lie in the Republican "replace" is the idea that they aren't taking people's healthcare away, it's available to all! Yeah, it's available the All who can fucking afford to pay out the ass for it.
 
Those with preexisting conditions will end up in ER. That is the most expensive place to receive primary care. "One way or another" is NOT cost effective. It is heartbreaking to receive clients who could not afford preemptive care. Two weeks ago we prepped a kid for leg amputation because he had undiagnosed diabetes. They need not "die in the streets" for the whole thing to be expensive, awful and cruel.

This reminds me once again of what my high school friend who became a doctor has said a number of times: he could do so much more for people if an annual physical & checkup was free so there was a data baseline to work from.
 
Single payer, and not worrying about health insurance as such, would be so much better - not to mention how much of an edge it would give back to U. S. corporations who are paying employee health benefits, a burden not shared in much of the rest of the world.

It's just one more example of a system that just adds stress to the patient, the ultimate example of which is how the process of getting Social Security disability literally drives some people to suicide, or my current one of how the Senior & Disability Services financial lady is heavily impacting my mom's health when she talks about making us sell the house the moment my mom is in a nursing home.
 
This reminds me once again of what my high school friend who became a doctor has said a number of times: he could do so much more for people if an annual physical & checkup was free so there was a data baseline to work from.

The quality of life, the physical pain, the outcome, the anxiety of what is happening, and the fear of cost are overwhelming concepts for the client. Proactive care improves lives and is cost effective. It is civilized.
 
...The federal government did not take "control" under the ACA. What the federal government did do was eliminate the millions in junk policies that were regularly being issued across this country...
Everyone loved those cheap policies until they had to use them. Most of these policies were legacies of old indemnity policies that fell out of favor in the 1980s. The typical scenario was that someone would pay for these policies for years and then when they were sick, they would discover that few physicians and hospitals would accept the policy, either because they were "out of network" or because the limits in the policy were so restrictive that it would not cover the service (which in effect, makes the patient "self-pay").

When you're "out-of-network" you pay full price for services and you don't get the discounts that you would get if your insurance company was contracted with the provider. Since most insurance policies come with a 50-60% discount, that's a lot of money that you have to pay out-of-pocket.

In a 2013 issue of Time Magazine, Steven Brill wrote an article called "Bitter Pill" Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us" where he gave several real-life examples of people who had these junk policies:
The woman in the business office matter-of-factly gave Rebecca more bad news: Her insurance policy, from a company called Assurant Health, had an annual payout limit of $100,000. Because of some prior claims Assurant had processed, the S.’s were well on their way to exceeding the limit. Just the room-and-board charge at Southwestern was $2,293 a day. And that was before all the real charges were added. When Scott checked out, his 161-page bill was $474,064. Scott and Rebecca were told they owed $402,955 after the payment from their insurance policy was deducted.


At this point, I'm convinced that when Barack Obama said "If you like your insurance, you'll be allowed to keep it" [paraphrased?], he was actually unaware of how many policies were out there, that were utter rubbish.
I think the quote was "If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Your Doctor".

There was a backlash from people who had "junk" policies that didn't meet the ACA minimum requirements. To quell the backlash and to give people time to find new policies, Congress did allow some of the junk policies to be grandfathered for a period of time.

This reminds me once again of what my high school friend who became a doctor has said a number of times: he could do so much more for people if an annual physical & checkup was free so there was a data baseline to work from.
Under some of the ACA policies, you are allowed a free physical (labeled as a "wellness visit") if you're on Medicare. This corrected a problem with Medicare- that Medicare will only pay if you're sick. The change allows people on Medicare to see their PCP one a year just to get their labs done and to get a "check-up" without having to wait until they're "sick" so that Medicare will pay for the visit.

Some of the Individual Plans on the Marketplace have a similar clause but it's not mandated in the ACA. Honestly- it's not much of a value since it just saves a small copay. More beneficial are the ACA's preventative/screening diagnostics: the ACA says that you are entitled to copay-free, non-deductible screening for diabetes, obesity, cholesterol, and various cancers, as well as counseling for drug and tobacco use and healthy eating, among others. For people over age 50, this includes a "free" diagnostic colonoscopy.

If the ACA were repealed these changes that allow favorable payment structures for wellness and diagnostics would also be repealed.
 
The quality of life, the physical pain, the outcome, the anxiety of what is happening, and the fear of cost are overwhelming concepts for the client. Proactive care improves lives and is cost effective. It is civilized.

So by definition, Medicaid and Social Security are NOT civilized when they put horrendous pressure on people to pressure them to give up seeking assistance, or require them to leave their kids homeless.
 
So by definition, Medicaid and Social Security are NOT civilized when they put horrendous pressure on people to pressure them to give up seeking assistance, or require them to leave their kids homeless.

That is not my point, although I get it. I'm advocating proactive medical care. We're all in the Big Picture and ER is expensive for everyone.
 
So after all the whining and complaining seven years ago that the GOP couldn't vote on a health care bill because they didn't know what was in it, the Senate is going to vote on a health care bill tomorrow that literally no one knows what;s in it.
 
So after all the whining and complaining seven years ago that the GOP couldn't vote on a health care bill because they didn't know what was in it, the Senate is going to vote on a health care bill tomorrow that literally no one knows what;s in it.
They know what is in it- a repeal of a tax on very wealthy people. That's all that the donors who underwrote the 2016 campaign want and that's ultimately why no one is allowed to move on.
 
They know what is in it- a repeal of a tax on very wealthy people. That's all that the donors who underwrote the 2016 campaign want and that's ultimately why no one is allowed to move on.

I think the real split of the Republicans gets little mention. Catholics used to vote overwhelmingly democrat, but in recent decades more of them have voted as Conservative for economic reasons and moral reasons, including abortion. BUT the Church tells the people of Latin America they must not use contraception. The result is ever increasing poor people in those countries. So the Catholic Bishops favor immigration, amnesty and immigration. AND they favor universal Heath care and at this point a continuance of ACA. https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...-affordable-health-care-under-gop-plan-simply The Catholic presidential candidates favored immigration and amnesty, with Trump alone favoring limiting immigration. I could not find that break down in healthcare, but it explains the impass.
 
I think the real split of the Republicans gets little mention.
I think there's also a group of Republican women senators who really have an interest in the welfare of the citizens they serve. Capito, Collins, and Murkowski have been focused more upon the people who elected them and less upon special interest issues. There's some male Senators (from both parties, but the pressure is on the Republican Senators) from swing states who get that removing healthcare benefits from "the lesser among us" isn't good PR and definitely not the way to get re-elected.
 
I think there's also a group of Republican women senators who really have an interest in the welfare of the citizens they serve. Capito, Collins, and Murkowski have been focused more upon the people who elected them and less upon special interest issues. There's some male Senators (from both parties, but the pressure is on the Republican Senators) from swing states who get that removing healthcare benefits from "the lesser among us" isn't good PR and definitely not the way to get re-elected.

I'd like to agree completely so: !BOOM!
 
I think there's also a group of Republican women senators who really have an interest in the welfare of the citizens they serve. Capito, Collins, and Murkowski have been focused more upon the people who elected them and less upon special interest issues. There's some male Senators (from both parties, but the pressure is on the Republican Senators) from swing states who get that removing healthcare benefits from "the lesser among us" isn't good PR and definitely not the way to get re-elected.

Two parties competing to raise taxes and give the most welfare to get votes is a dismal prospect indeed. Until now we have had the Republicans working to preserve our free enterprise economy, the envy of the world.
 
So it appears according to the Hill, the Republicans are bringing to the floor what they call a 'skinny bill'. It is all they could agree to and have enough votes to proceed. It repeals the individual and employer mandates and the medical device tax AND THAT IS ALL. It will be up to the open floor debate to decide if they can add anything more to that. After that, they are hoping to fix anything else in conference committee with the House.
 
McCain gets up after the vote today to call for a return to regular order, rails against the secrecy and partisan gimmicks and calls for reaching across the asile. :=D:

I wouldn't reach across the aisle.

I will urge my senators NOT to help. It is a bullshit move intended to pin it on the Democrats. If they still trust these guys on any level I would not trust them.

Their stated goal is to repeal the ACA...so let them. Their decision is unpopular and they know it....so inviting the Democrats to "help" is a ploy so they can spin their failure and blame them for it IMO.
 
I wouldn't reach across the aisle.

I will urge my senators NOT to help. It is a bullshit move intended to pin it on the Democrats. If they still trust these guys on any level I would not trust them.

Their stated goal is to repeal the ACA...so let them. Their decision is unpopular and they know it....so inviting the Democrats to "help" is a ploy so they can spin their failure and blame them for it IMO.

Anything less than chunking this whole effort and starting with scratch WITH the Democrats on a how to fix and reform the current law is a betrayal of the Congress' responsibility to the American people. And the Republican's embrace of this current path after all their criticism of the original Democrat efforts to expedite the vote for the original ACA bill is nothing but sheer hypocrisy.

The American people deserve the best effort to develop a healthcare reform bill that best addresses all concerns not just the partisan concerns of a small part of their base. You can only do that with a truly bipartisan effort.
 
Anything less than chunking this whole effort and starting with scratch WITH the Democrats on a how to fix and reform the current law is a betrayal of the Congress' responsibility to the American people. And the Republican's embrace of this current path after all their criticism of the original Democrat efforts to expedite the vote for the original ACA bill is nothing but sheer hypocrisy.

The American people deserve the best effort to develop a healthcare reform bill that best addresses all concerns not just the partisan concerns of a small part of their base. You can only do that with a truly bipartisan effort.

I have put pressure on my Rep already and now my Senators to support single payer.

If they don't.....I would rather them not help repeal the ACA.

The ACA was meant to be a template to work from...so SOME FORM of health care reform happened instead of none. I hated it in the form it was because I thought single payer was the best option....but I accepted that the only "reform" they could pass was the Republican one. They don't even own that. How does one work with people like that?

Hillary Clinton tried to introduce health care reform in 1992 and she has paid dearly for it since...she didn't "know her place":rolleyes:.

Most Liberals I know hated Obama for adopting the Republican Plan at the beginning..I was one of them.

Have they learned nothing?
 
Back
Top