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Healthcare going forward

Stardreamer said:
there are Republicans with moral values that are standing up for his promise to protect pre-existing condition coverage.
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Today's passage shows that Republicans have ABSOLUTELY no morals whatsoever, outside of perhaps a handful who voted against it. Those few are probably hoping to protect their own asses in 2018.

Benvolio said:
Insurance cannot cover preexisting illnesses. Healthy people cannot afford to bear the burden of the people already sick.
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"THE FUCKERS DESERVE TO DIE. THEY GOT SICK. THEY'RE INFERIOR PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO LIVE.

Right???????

Kulindahr said:
Many people since the sixteenth century have called the Papacy or the Pope the Antichrist, but today's GOP gives him stiff competition for the title.
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"Antichrist" is probably the most extreme and intense word in all of English for, say, an Episcopalian priest.

After the services, my Episcopalian priest, a few weeks ago, said that the president (I can't type his name) "IS THE ANTICHRIST."
 
Benvolio said:
Insurance cannot cover preexisting illnesses. Healthy people cannot afford to bear the burden of the people already sick.
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Sorry that my Asthma that I cannot control is such a fucking "burden" on you. Considering the callousness of your comment I am going to assume you don't have a pre-existing condition to where you have been actually burdened by a preexisting condition where you needed to go to the emergency room or even worse, die because of one. You are so unbelievably disgusting and selfish.

And yes, consider that an abusive remark on here that needs to be removed. As if the majority of Benvolios posts aren't abusive to multiple minorities on here.
 
Benvolio will be giving high-fives to his Repuke buddies, as he watches sick people dying. Those ilk of people want these burdens OUT OF THE WAY, and exterminated, by the AHCA Death Panels. Jesus Christ.
I
take this personally, because it is wishing death on the man who I love.
 
Benvolio said:
Insurance cannot cover preexisting illnesses. Healthy people cannot afford to bear the burden of the people already sick.
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Most people find it hard to afford their own and family's insurance. They cannot afford the enormous increase that would be required of them to pay also for the treatment of those already sick. Only governmental payments can pay for the huge cost of preexisting illnesses. That charity is the function of Medicaid.
 
If I had been a lifelong Republican, THAT would have changed irrevocably and forever, today.

The goddam repukes WANT TO MURDER MY FRIENDS by neglect.

Very clear to me that they love to see, and rejoice in, poor people being KILLED because all hospitals and clinics are off limits.

It's not even just the poor, anymore. It's ANYBODY who might happen to get sick.

Just go off and die.
 
Benvolio said:
Most people find it hard to afford their own and family's insurance. They cannot afford the enormous increase that would be required of them to pay also for the treatment of those already sick. Only governmental payments can pay for the huge cost of preexisting illnesses. That charity is the function of Medicaid.
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It is noted that you support Medicaid for All.
 
So as I understand Ben's position, the solution to stop subsidizing the poor and sick with tax payer's money is to subsidize the poor and sick with a universal public option, Medicaid for All funded with taxpayer's money (don't ask me about the contradiction). So we have a motion for Heathcare going Forward which is what this thread was started to discuss. So what do you think of the idea of turning Medicaid into a true public option healthcare system open to everyone who needs it? I think is a good start.
 
Benvolio said:
Most people find it hard to afford their own and family's insurance. They cannot afford the enormous increase that would be required of them to pay also for the treatment of those already sick. Only governmental payments can pay for the huge cost of preexisting illnesses. That charity is the function of Medicaid.
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Medicaid tends to be just another way to destroy the middle class: if you're poor, it's basically free; if you're wealthy, you don't need it; if you're in between, they come after your children's inheritance when you die.
 
Kulindahr said:
Medicaid tends to be just another way to destroy the middle class: if you're poor, it's basically free; if you're wealthy, you don't need it; if you're in between, they come after your children's inheritance when you die.
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Ahh but Ben is suggesting it be used as a government funded charity open to all with pre-existing conditions. If we turned it into a true public option, handled as a default that automatically kicks end when you don't have other coverage?
 
Stardreamer said:
So as I understand Ben's position, the solution to stop subsidizing the poor and sick with tax payer's money is to subsidize the poor and sick with a universal public option, Medicaid for All funded with taxpayer's money (don't ask me about the contradiction). So we have a motion for Heathcare going Forward which is what this thread was started to discuss. So what do you think of the idea of turning Medicaid into a true public option healthcare system open to everyone who needs it? I think is a good start.
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That would just help destroy the middle class because unless you're really poor or very wealthy, Medicaid comes after your children's inheritance once you die -- an obscene sort of death tax.
 
Stardreamer said:
Ahh but Ben is suggesting it be used as a government funded charity open to all with pre-existing conditions. If we turned it into a true public option, handled as a default that automatically kicks end when you don't have other coverage?
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If it exempted the first half million per child up to three of a person's estate from seizure after death, I'd go for it. As it stands, though, I know someone who ended up homeless after her mother died because they'd relied on Medicaid for assistance, and I'm facing the same situation unless I can get a certification of permanent and total disability.

Better to start Medicare at age 55 and for everyone significantly disabled.
 
Benvolio said:
Insurance cannot cover preexisting illnesses. Healthy people cannot afford to bear the burden of the people already sick.
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but members of congress and their staff will have their preexisting conditions covered

why is that?
 
Stardreamer said:
It is noted that you support Medicaid for All.
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Look again. I said that charity is the only way that preexisting illnesses can be covered. Insurance cannot. But I did not advocate an expansion of Medicaid. It is available to those who do not have assets.
 
Just so you'll know the number of people that could potentially be affected by what was passed yesterday:

According to a new analysis by the Department of Health and Human Services, 50 to 129 million (19 to 50 percent of) non-elderly Americans have some type of pre-existing health condition. … As many as 82 million Americans with employer-based coverage have a pre-existing condition, ranging from life-threatening illnesses like cancer to chronic conditions like diabetes, asthma, or heart disease.
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Kaiser Family Foundation's analysis:
We estimate that 27% of adult Americans under the age of 65 have health conditions that would likely leave them uninsurable if they applied for individual market coverage under pre-ACA underwriting practices that existed in nearly all states. While a large share of this group has coverage through an employer or public coverage where they do not face medical underwriting, these estimates quantify how many people could be ineligible for individual market insurance under pre-ACA practices if they were to ever lose this coverage. This is a conservative estimate as these surveys do not include sufficient detail on several conditions that would have been declinable before the ACA (such as HIV/AIDS, or hepatitis C). Additionally, millions more have other conditions that could be either declinable by some insurers based on their pre-ACA underwriting guidelines or grounds for higher premiums, exclusions, or limitations under pre-ACA underwriting practices.
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If anything similar to the AHCA makes it through the process and the pre-existing condition clause is not restored to the legislation, this will revive discussions about the "public option" again. The for-profit health insurance market will become a more employer-based offering and their market will shrink over time.
 
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