Hillary says she will help struggling Americans. Why Should We Believe that she would?

[Kabluey]

Almost 13 is not bad for a housekeeper. Just saying.

If he's paying housekeepers almost $2.50 less than $12.70 +/-, wouldn't that be more like $10 per hour?

 

[gsdx]

If he's paying housekeepers almost $2.50 less than $12.70 +/-, wouldn't that be more like $10 per hour?

Yes, and it's a lot less, I'm sure, than he'd have to pay Americans. The American workers are available (even through he says they're not). Trump just doesn't like hiring them. There has to be a reason and, with Trump, it's always money.

 

[Hankerin1075]

Are people making that money to sweep floors? If so, they should be glad. That isn't bad for menial work. At least not around here in the Midwest.

 

[gsdx]

Are people making that money to sweep floors? If so, they should be glad. That isn't bad for menial work. At least not around here in the Midwest.

Mar-A-Lago is a luxury Palm Beach mansion turned into a luxury golf club by Donald Trump. Take a look at a few of these pictures and see if you still think it is 'menial work'

http://www.maralagoclub.com/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=316015&ssid=206754&vnf=1

Would you sweep these floors and dust the furniture for 10 bucks an hour? I sure wouldn't.

 

[Hankerin1075]

I don't need that kind of work. I have a decent job. I'd do it if push came to shove. 13 an hour is better that I used to get for actual work.

 

[jbrown329]

I don't need that kind of work. I have a decent job. I'd do it if push came to shove. 13 an hour is better that I used to get for actual work.

In 1992, a journeyman checker (grocery store, union) made $13 an hour. I don't know how much they make today.

Check out WinCoFoods

Millionaire Grocery Clerks: The Amazing WinCo Foods Story

In Corvallis, Oregon, a couple miles north of the Oregon State University campus, sits a WinCo Foods discount supermarket and, unless you’re in need of groceries, you might drive by without noticing it. I assure you, however, it’s an extraordinary building, a laboratory of capitalism worthy of pilgrimages by the world’s great business schools.

Inside the store labor 130 employees of WinCo – grocery clerks, shelf stockers, display builders, bakery workers – and their combined retirement savings roughly comes to an astounding $100 million. And that figure is growing rapidly, such that in a few years the average wealth of these employees could easily exceed $1 million. Quite a few individual workers already have account balances above that level.

Forbes

Hopefully that Forbes link will work. Their site is fucked. It's telling me to whitelist the site. Disable AdblockPlus. Uh, you idiots. I DO NOT have Adblock installed in Chrome OR Internet Explorer. I do have it installed in Firefox. However, the site worked once in Firefox and will not work in the other two browsers.

 

[Hankerin1075]

Like I said, 13 an hour for unskilled labor is decent money.

 

[gsdx]

Like I said, 13 an hour for unskilled labor is decent money.

We're talking about a billionaire whose campaign revolves around keeping jobs in America, a billionaire whose campaign revolves around immigrants taking jobs from Americans, a billionaire who owns a multi-million dollar luxury golf club, a billionaire who brings in aliens and pays them 10 bucks an hour to clean it because he's too damned cheap to pay a decent wage to the people who have to put up with his demands and bullshit. And trust me, the people cleaning his club are not 'unskilled labour'. Trump demands only the best.

 

[Kabluey]

Like I said, 13 an hour for unskilled labor is decent money.

It sounds fine in theory, for 'other people'.
Don't know how you'd actually survive on it though, let them eat cake?

The worst part of your sentiment is that the economy always needs those jobs, therefore you're effectively saying there should always be people who aren't paid enough to live on. You approve of subsistence workers.
Quite scummy when you think about it. Doesn't mean your hotel room is any cheaper.

 

[gsdx]

It sounds fine in theory, for 'other people'.
Don't know how you'd actually survive on it though, let them eat cake?

Indeed, and Trump is extremely finicky when it comes to his possessions. There was a programme on Discovery about his private jet. His inspections of the plane were thorough and demanding. No fingerprints. No dust. No smudges on the leather seats. No fluffy stuff on the carpets. Nothing. "I want it to be immaculate."

Only aliens would work for the pittance he pays and kowtow to his demands.

 

[jbrown329]

When they're undocumented, he can pretty much treat them like shit. They can't complain to anyone that could actually help. They'd end up being deported.

 

[gsdx]

^ They're not undocumented. In fact, he has to apply to the government to hire them and bring them into the country. All he has to do is to say that there are no Americans willing to do the job. I think I may have posted somewhere in this forum that he's hired about 250 people to work at Mar-A-Lago. Four of them have been American.

 

[Kabluey]

^ They're not undocumented. In fact, he has to apply to the government to hire them and bring them into the country. All he has to do is to say that there are no Americans willing to do the job. I think I may have posted somewhere in this forum that he's hired about 250 people to work at Mar-A-Lago. Four of them have been American.

Once they're in the country though, they're dependent on their employer to maintain their status. That opens the door to exploitation.

 

[gsdx]

^ Precisely, which is why he gets away with paying them $10 an hour.

 

[jbrown329]

^ They're not undocumented. In fact, he has to apply to the government to hire them and bring them into the country. All he has to do is to say that there are no Americans willing to do the job. I think I may have posted somewhere in this forum that he's hired about 250 people to work at Mar-A-Lago. Four of them have been American.

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/

 

[Hankerin1075]

It sounds fine in theory, for 'other people'.
Don't know how you'd actually survive on it though, let them eat cake?

The worst part of your sentiment is that the economy always needs those jobs, therefore you're effectively saying there should always be people who aren't paid enough to live on. You approve of subsistence workers.
Quite scummy when you think about it. Doesn't mean your hotel room is any cheaper.

What are you talking about? 13 an hour is darn good for vacuuming floors. Try some hard labor every once in a while. You might get 14. Don't be so obtuse.

 

[gsdx]

^ That's his tower, and I knew about the workers there. I was talking about the servants at Mar-A-Lago. They're legal and documented.

 

[jbrown329]

What are you talking about? 13 an hour is darn good for vacuuming floors. Try some hard labor every once in a while. You might get 14. Don't be so obtuse.

Pay $700 for a 1 bedroom apartment, pay utilities, buy food.

My step-dad was a bartender. In the early 70's they bought a house. They put braces on my teeth. We never went hungry. We didn't wear rags. The cost of everything has gone up while wages have remained flat.

 

[Hankerin1075]

Who do you call when you are bleeding to death in the street? A housekeeper? No. You call an expert at saving lives. Those guys make at average less than 15 an hour. How dare you pay a bed maker that much.

 

[evanrick]

Who do you call when you are bleeding to death in the street? A housekeeper? No. You call an expert at saving lives. Those guys make at average less than 15 an hour. How dare you pay a bed maker that much.

dude you have your poles reversed. both these kinds of workers are underpaid, the wealth gap is huge.

but its really terrorizing for you to believe that because some workers belong to unions and ORGANIZE to FIGHT for higher wages, and many in America are paid less for more "important jobs" then you are doing nothing more than inciting class warfare between groups of poor working class people.

If you have a problem with people doing work for low wages you need to help ALL people who have low wages and stop thinking about yourself for a change.

Stop pitting low wage workers against each other when the common enemy is the wealthy, YOU MIGHT BE BETTER OFF!

Listen to yourself , IF YOU CAN.