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Hillary WILL BE on Presidential Ticket in 2012

hard for me to think of Hillary as that old. She just seems younger.

If I am not alone in my perception, she will do well in 2016
 
evanrick said:
Hillary WILL BE on Presidential Ticket in 2012

I don't think Hillary will challenge Obama in the primary, we will know by 2012 if Obama will have a shot at re-election, and I am very confident he will be re-elected.
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Correct, except for your use of the word if. You won't be seeing the Republicans unseat President Obama in 2012; you'll see Team Red get landslided.

But the question is now about Hillary. I cannot see any circumstance in which Obama does not choose Hillary to be his running mate. The only thing stopping that is if she doesn't want to be on the ticket, and doesn't want to be associated with Obama if she thinks his chances are bad.
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This is wishful thinking. Ex-Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder has suggested President Obama replace Vice President Joe Biden with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Won't happen.
 
I'm pretty sure Obama will not run with Biden again, simply because Biden will be 70 in 2012 and many voters (especially those over 60!) are uncomfortable with the idea of an older prez or veep.

On a personal level they seem to be working together perfectly, it's purely biological and strategic.

Also, I think he will want a female running mate to re-recruit the Hillary feminists, but he will not choose Hillary herself because she would be 69 in 2016, thus having the same problem as Biden. Her upstaging him is not an issue. You upstage the great communicator at your own peril!

Conclusion: he will pick a woman who can take over as president in 2016. I'm hoping Janet Napolitano!
 
I think Napolitano would need to come out of the closet first.
 
What is interesting about all the talk of Biden and Hillary switching jobs for 2012 (and setting up Hillary for a likely 2016 run) is that it points to the weakness Obama has among blue collar whites. Biden should have shored up that particular weakness, but has not been used that way. Axelrod said famously that he did not need Hillary voters to win the election and he was right, but you do need Hillary blue collar workers to govern and get a Dem Congress reelected.

The failure of Obama and Biden to connect to working class whites has probably weakened the Healthcare bill and the entire administration agenda and could result in serious Congressional losses.
 
LoveIsNow said:
Actually, as a little tidbit, no. Reagan was two and a half weeks away from his 70th birthday at his inauguration. Clinton's birthday is in late October so she will be 69 and 3 months in January 2017, hence the second oldest.
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And women tend to live longer, so it's slightly less of a stretch.

I admit, however, Reagan was too old in the end and Hillary would similarly be. But I thought she already said she wouldn't run for that office again. But I'm wrong about that.
 
laikaNYC said:
I think Napolitano would need to come out of the closet first.
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I beg to differ. Most straight, white, Middle Americans would have more sympathy for her if she were dragged out of the closet against her will by nutty Bible-thumping right-wingers. They prefer us to be "modest" about "certain aspects" of our "inner self" you know, they really do.
 
iman said:
What is interesting about all the talk of Biden and Hillary switching jobs for 2012 (and setting up Hillary for a likely 2016 run) is that it points to the weakness Obama has among blue collar whites.
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Weakness in what respect? His abilities to carry Pennsylvania in 2008?


Biden should have shored up that particular weakness, but has not been used that way. Axelrod said famously that he did not need Hillary voters to win the election and he was right, but you do need Hillary blue collar workers to govern and get a Dem Congress reelected.

The failure of Obama and Biden to connect to working class whites has probably weakened the Healthcare bill and the entire administration agenda and could result in serious Congressional losses.
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Where are you getting your information?
 
CoolBlue71 said:
Correct, except for your use of the word if. You won't be seeing the Republicans unseat President Obama in 2012; you'll see Team Red get landslided.
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That's not so clear right now. There's still a lot of time between now and the election, but as it stands right now he would lose.
 
loki81 said:
about the same age, and it was a major factor with seemingly every liberal talking every day about how he was on his deathbed and sarah palin would take over the presidency any second.
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reagan was quite vital looking and was very quick witted up until the last year or so of his presidency, when he started responding constantly to congressional hearings that he had no recolectoin of many important issues that went on during his presidency. It wasn't until a few years later we foudn out he had althiemers.

McCain looked fragile, old out of touch and cantankerous, and so he was treated kind of like the nasty next door neighbor of dennis the menace.

We wont know what and how Hillary will do and how she will age, nor if she decides to run who her running mate would be.

If memory serves me correctly both Mr and Mrs Clinton have said on many ocasions that she has no interest in the presidency anymore, and is happy with her career at state. It would be very like her to just stay there for eight years if Obama won his second term.
 
Travisevian said:
Don't be so certain she won't. How old was John McCain when he ran for president? ;)
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And lost?

Obama may be seen as the Facebook president who mobilized the young voters, but he also won among the over 65s. McCain only won among middle-aged whites. Older voters are the ones most reluctant to vote for older pols. They know what it's like the bear the weight of their age.
 
Travisevian said:
That's not the point! Did he lose because of his age or because of some of the choices he made?
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He lost because of his age and because of Sarah Palin.

Just like Dole lost because of his age and Jack Kemp, though more because of his age.

The reason why it is mostly voters over 50 who don't trust politicians over 70 is that only they are old enough to remember the senile Reagan!

Apart from a few very young history buffs that is. (!)
 
Zeno Lorea said:
He lost because of his age and because of Sarah Palin.

Just like Dole lost because of his age and Jack Kemp, though more because of his age.

The reason why it is mostly voters over 50 who don't trust politicians over 70 is that only they are old enough to remember the senile Reagan!

Apart from a few very young history buffs that is. (!)
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You don't believe Ross Perot siphoning 8 million votes was a little factor?
 
Zeno Lorea said:
He lost because of his age and because of Sarah Palin..
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The main reason John lost is because of statements he made about the Economy during a rally...Sarah Palin(the Opportunist) helped his campaign and she's still a Force within the base...Barack Obama represented CHANGE & he was the Campaign KING...He had Money falling out of the sky.....


Dubya accused John of having a Black baby in the 2000 primary. In 2008 John ran against a Black man....It just wasnt meant to be...:lol:
 
loki81 said:
I think the main reason he lost was Bush.

Democrats could have run a Hitler/Stalin ticket in 2008 and won if they had a D next to their name on the ballot.
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he lost because he was old and his pick for VP was more important than most occasions. The speech that he made based on Md Fiorina's advice about the economy being sound was the sinker in the boat that never floated again.

there was a point that McCain had a real shot at it.
 
laikaNYC said:
You're naive if you think Hillary is going to wait until 2016 to run when she'll be 69. That would make her the oldest President ever elected. You can bet your bottom dollar that she's going to challenge Obama, who's ratings continue to plummet month after month. Anyone who knows anything about Hillary knows she wants to be President very badly.
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your are guessing and not logically.

No wonder rareboy said something about political trolling .... :badgrin:
 
I expressed an opinion about Hillary's Presidential aspirations, how dare I do that on a messageboard!
 
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