Homophobia from within the LGBT community

[sixthson]

I'm gay, I'm white, I'm male and I'm privileged. Now, I'm also unwilling/incapable of understanding or sympathizing with those who aren't. I'm more evil then I thought I was. No hugs for you guys.

 

[offthewall14420]

I'm gay, I'm white, I'm male and I'm privileged. Now, I'm also unwilling/incapable of understanding or sympathizing with those who aren't. I'm more evil then I thought I was. No hugs for you guys.

NC just passed an anti-gay law. Racism didn't end after Brown v. Board of Education. In fact that case took 3 rounds to even be decided.

Anti-gay bigotry will intensify in reaction to gay marriage, for many, many years down the road.

 

[alphacentauri]

What do you mean "it gets better is a lie".
Its about harm prevention !!!

It clearly does not work since people who made IGB videos and watched a lot of them wound up killing themselves. Plus they could have picked a better spokesperson instead of Dan Savage who is racist, biphobic, transphobic, and a misogynist.

 

[TheLoveableLoner]

I think it's funny when people protest the label "cis."

 

[jbrown329]

I stand with all my brothers and sisters of the LGBT community. I don't care if they are women. I don't care what their skin color is. I don't care if they're Transgender. In my mind, we are all equal. No one group is better than another. I saw a lesbian kicked out of a bar only for the fact that it was a woman. I gave the bartender the stink eye, and left the bar. I would've done the same if it was someone who wasn't white. The only way we get somewhere is for all of us to stick together.

 

[alphacentauri]

I think it's funny when people protest the label "cis."

I find it funny when trans people and trans activists try to use it as a slur.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I find it funny when trans people and trans activists try to use it as a slur.

Except that it's not only not a slur, that's not a derogatory name we have for you. You have to add several letters before it comes close to being used in a mocking manner. Also, showing anger doesn't mean it's a slur. It's like seeing "Fucking straight people...." after getting a bunch of homophobic actions on your Friday night out.

For instance, "Fucking cis people putting bounties on our heads and then making us pay other cis people for 'grievences and emotional damage"

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/...oolmates-using-incorrect-restroom/#gs.k0jnK5M

 

[refujiunderground]

It clearly does not work since people who made IGB videos and watched a lot of them wound up killing themselves. Plus they could have picked a better spokesperson instead of Dan Savage who is racist, biphobic, transphobic, and a misogynist.

To me, the it gets better nonsense was lousy and was Dan Savage marketing himself to america using a tragic situation since he's an opportunist. I see that he's working his way to the entertainment bizz with his show on abc.

To say that it gets better is basically ignoring the real issue that's going on by saying that you can create a bubble to avoid what's really going on. Unfortunately too many gay people do that and in the process, many end up disillusioned and hurting themselves. That's why I can understand why so many gay dudes are narcissists. They basically shelter themselves away from the world to cope because they feel that they don't belong in the world. We deserve to be in this world as much as our straight peers. It's great to go to a gay club and gather around people who share the same characteristics. Make no mistake, we are still individuals. I am a part of the lgbt community but I also don't want to revolve my entire life around it because truth be told, a lot of supposed norms in the gay community actually work against reality and growth. For example, growing up and getting older. I damn sure do not plan on being 40 years old and going to parties in skampy underwear begging for attention and etc. Hopefully I will be partnered up, married or something like that. Moving on in life. Getting old. I'm already not that type of person when it comes to the clubs and the parties. That ain't me. I respect my peers for who they are and not. I do wish for my peers to strive for better because I do hate seeing folks all falling and cutting themselves short because they don't think they deserve better. I also hope folks accept reality and don't run away from it. Being a man child is not cool. You gotta grow up at some point. Don't be on some bs acting like you're all that because I see many with egos and lacking humility thinking that they're confident when that's insecurity speaking for them. I just can't get with this shit regarding immaturity which I notice. Let that shit go. This ain't high school. Quit acting like it's a competition or you gotta be "that dude" because most people don't give a fuck.

 

[alphacentauri]

To me, the it gets better nonsense was lousy and was Dan Savage marketing himself to america using a tragic situation since he's an opportunist. I see that he's working his way to the entertainment bizz with his show on abc.

To say that it gets better is basically ignoring the real issue that's going on by saying that you can create a bubble to avoid what's really going on. Unfortunately too many gay people do that and in the process, many end up disillusioned and hurting themselves. That's why I can understand why so many gay dudes are narcissists. They basically shelter themselves away from the world to cope because they feel that they don't belong in the world. We deserve to be in this world as much as our straight peers. It's great to go to a gay club and gather around people who share the same characteristics. Make no mistake, we are still individuals. I am a part of the lgbt community but I also don't want to revolve my entire life around it because truth be told, a lot of supposed norms in the gay community actually work against reality and growth. For example, growing up and getting older. I damn sure do not plan on being 40 years old and going to parties in skampy underwear begging for attention and etc. Hopefully I will be partnered up, married or something like that. Moving on in life. I'm already not that type of person when it comes to the clubs and the parties. That ain't me. I respect my peers for who they are and not. I do wish for my peers to strive for better because I do hate seeing folks all falling and cutting themselves short because they don't think they deserve better. I also hope folks accept reality and don't run away from it. Being a man child is not cool. You gotta grow up at some point. Don't be on some bs acting like you're all that because I see many with egos and lacking humility thinking that they're confident when that's insecurity speaking for them.

All of what you wrote is true.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

planet earth wonks no figa a female yet
"wot human male apess scares offs"
ata classifed
"tens wot human female apeess scare a offs?"
aint dat a load

so
"giv a million ears ans tey discova teys nose"
ooh at a bit dif fa urms

tinku

 

[NotHardUp1]

It clearly does not work since people who made IGB videos and watched a lot of them wound up killing themselves. Plus they could have picked a better spokesperson instead of Dan Savage who is racist, biphobic, transphobic, and a misogynist.

Bad logic. If you cite 10 who killed themselves (out of the millions of LGBT youth), that doesn't negate the hundreds or thousands who DID stave off terminal depression and lived.

Your side's argument is like saying drug and alcohol intervention doesn't work just because people are still addicted, or because DWI deaths still occur. "Dieting doesn't work because my sister got fat again." True, but another sister did not.

As you know, there is no statistical proof of the effectiveness of anything as abstract as "it gets better." It's absurd to suggest that we do not reach out to these kids, just as it is absurd to say that it is the only thing being done to help. It is not.

All of what you wrote is true.

It can be. It can be a defeatist, self-fulfilling prophecy. Slaves could have said, "folks get killed running north." Civil right protesters could have looked at the lynchings and sat back down and shut up. Americans could have looked at the fascists in Europe in the 30's and shrugged and never sent the Lend Lease arms that saved Europe before America entered the war.

It's always within your power to give up. But we have brave examples that fire us and send us on. Scaring others from the fight is a sad turn. Don't make it.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Bad logic. If you cite 10 who killed themselves (out of the millions of LGBT youth), that doesn't negate the hundreds or thousands who DID stave off terminal depression and lived.

Your side's argument is like saying drug and alcohol intervention doesn't work just because people are still addicted, or because DWI deaths still occur. "Dieting doesn't work because my sister got fat again." True, but another sister did not.

As you know, there is no statistical proof of the effectiveness of anything as abstract as "it gets better." It's absurd to suggest that we do not reach out to these kids, just as it is absurd to say that it is the only thing being done to help. It is not.

Agreed, minus the diet comparison. Diets don't work in the long term - at best a full diet change must be implemented for life, often differing from their social groups diet in restrictiveness as the body, as I understand it, keeps striving for the heaviest weight that it's ever experienced. Unfortunately that irritating (and obsolete when considering the abundance of food available to be consumed) physiological response isn't going anywhere.

-I do think Savage was a horrible fuckin' choice, though.

 

[refujiunderground]

Bad logic. If you cite 10 who killed themselves (out of the millions of LGBT youth), that doesn't negate the hundreds or thousands who DID stave off terminal depression and lived.

Your side's argument is like saying drug and alcohol intervention doesn't work just because people are still addicted, or because DWI deaths still occur. "Dieting doesn't work because my sister got fat again." True, but another sister did not.

As you know, there is no statistical proof of the effectiveness of anything as abstract as "it gets better." It's absurd to suggest that we do not reach out to these kids, just as it is absurd to say that it is the only thing being done to help. It is not.



It can be. It can be a defeatist, self-fulfilling prophecy. Slaves could have said, "folks get killed running north." Civil right protesters could have looked at the lynchings and sat back down and shut up. Americans could have looked at the fascists in Europe in the 30's and shrugged and never sent the Lend Lease arms that saved Europe before America entered the war.

It's always within your power to give up. But we have brave examples that fire us and send us on. Scaring others from the fight is a sad turn. Don't make it.

For those kids, it's more of a matter of seeking out counseling and support at that very moment. Telling them that it gets better where theyre getting bullied around in the 7th grade for being gay is not going to save them.

 

[luckynumbah7]

For those kids, it's more of a matter of seeking out counseling and support at that very moment. Telling them that it gets better where theyre getting bullied around in the 7th grade for being gay is not going to save them.

It wasn't made to save them. It was made to inspire hope that they can save themselves. You can't save someone else in the sense you mean, certainly not thru a couple minutes of programming that contains a hopeful message. (altho other people may find the message itself saved them - but the information is what they took from the message, it's not an A to C situation. Some bits of the message may be taken negatively, for instance, by different demographics, even though the intention is to inspire).

I think the execution was a bit faulty, though. And by 'a bit', I think it missed a few opportunities to be a smidge more truthful in its application.That's neither here nor there, though.

 

[Alistair]

Basically. Hate to say this but the lgbt rights movement has been fucked simply because you havea good pottion of gay white guys that have made lgbt rights into it being solely all about themselves and gay white guys getting rights to fully achieve their white privilege and that's that. They couldn't give a fuck about gay civil rights for the entire group. Notice how for them, the whole gay civil rights thing was achieved when they got the right to marry. Gay rights has become more of a self serving thing. I also hate how they act like all of us nonwhite gay guys or the bullshit terminology "people of color" which I find offensive as fuck are all one in the same. Sorry but all nonwhite gays do not share the same struggle. US black gay guys for example as a group have our struggles within the gay community on our own. We face discrimination and shit from other nonwhite gays as well. Many try to piggyback off of us but we get marginalized and etc by the lgbt community. Our impact and influence on gay culture and lgbt rights are downplayed to the point where we are made out to be powerless where the narrative becomes us basically depending heavily on white people and shit when we've been holding ourselves down and helping out the white gay community. Shit is sad.


And Smh @ this label "cis". Wtf?

Do you have to turn every thread in hot topics into a race baiting thread?

This could have been an interesting discussion, but is yet just another thread that's going to devolve into race (which was never intended) and be shut down.

 

[eastofeden]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/2...-mens-reps-because-they-dont-face-oppression/

it seems that the rest of the LGBT community is more interested in being professional victims than achieving any actual progress.

To the extent the individual doesn't accept and approve of themselves due to internalized homophobia...that will be the extent of externalized homophobia that they put out into the world....

This group who excluded gay men is soooooo guilty of this. It makes their organization a joke actually.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

For those kids, it's more of a matter of seeking out counseling and support at that very moment. Telling them that it gets better where theyre getting bullied around in the 7th grade for being gay is not going to save them.

It is better than doing nothing but complaining about them not doing enough on the Internet. It is easier to sit there and criticize than to get out there and do something yourself.

It Gets Better wasn't perfect but it was meant to try and help people as much as it could. You might not believe but things like this do actually help people.

 

[refujiunderground]

It is better than doing nothing but complaining about them not doing enough on the Internet. It is easier to sit there and criticize than to get out there and do something yourself.

It Gets Better wasn't perfect but it was meant to try and help people as much as it could. You might not believe but things like this do actually help people.

Sorry but no because being suicidial and depression aren't just things that disappear or something that can be taken lightly by saying "it gets better". If someone is suffering from depression as a teen, it's very likely they will suffer the same problem as an adult. The government should make it a priority to allow free mental health counseling to gay teens where insurance isn't an issue or they have a safe haven.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Sorry but no because being suicidial and depression aren't just things that disappear or something that can be taken lightly by saying "it gets better". If someone is suffering from depression as a teen, it's very likely they will suffer the same problem as an adult. The government should make it a priority to allow free mental health counseling to gay teens where insurance isn't an issue or they have a safe haven.

No one is saying being suicidal or being depressed are things that can be magically told to go away, I don't even think IGB was claiming that either. It was just a movement that was meant to help in any way it can. People feel alone and isolated when they are in the closet, some times knowing that there are hand(s) reaching out, even metaphorically can help some people.

Nothing is full proof. I don't believe the Government will ever do that but hypothetically speaking, even with these services available and being a better option then Internet videos, some people are just too far to reach regardless of age. Though, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reach these people even in the smallest way.

Was IGB the best thing that could be done? No, but that doesn't meant it wasn't useful to specific people. Again some times the smallest thing can inspire or bring hope to people. I personally came out just because of a singer of a band I liked was gay, that was it. That was my breaking point. A celebrity or band member or something else might not mean something to everyone, but if it is helping someone I personally think it is worth the effort.

 

[rareboy]

^ This. If wishes were horse all beggars would ride.

So in the absence of someone waving a magic wand and providing free mental health care for all teenagers....any positive message is a good message.

I also believe in 'It Gets Better'. It did for me. And I know it did for a lot of other lesbians and homos too.