Homophobia from within the LGBT community

[MakeDigitalLove]

once again, not everyone that speaks out against another gay guy that they have an issue with is bitter or angry. i don't have to pat you on the back if i think you're wrong. i don't see what someone's personal life has to do with calling someone out on their bullshit. that's what we call ad-hominem. you certainly don't do it with me so i don't know why you're talking. i also think you are a hypocrite choosing to get speak out over certain subjects like the one you came at me with as if i was addressing you when you weren't even being thought of. was i calling your ass angry or bitter? NOPE. hypocrite, please sit down.

Your personal life doesn't have to do with anything outside of what you bring to it, which is your anger, all the time.

Your responses to people further prove it.

 

[refujiunderground]

^ Yes.



Yes.

Gays are being used a marketing opportunity

We hate advertisements but suckers like to follow pretty gay white semi-celebrities

This guy advertises products to his 57 thousand followers
https://www.instagram.com/milesgray88/?hl=en.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-17/insta-famous-tasmanian-is-paid-to-travel-the-world/7093854

https://www.instagram.com/davey_lloyd/?hl=en

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...nes-kendall-jenner-jordyn-woods-a6907551.html

yep, being self serving by taking advantage of the struggles of gay people. those types are the worse. do you ever notice that those types of guys.. the "davey waveys", "the mark and ethans", "the dan savages", and these narcissistic lames never really give back to the community? their so called contributions are basically revolving around them, making them appear a certain way like they "care" where we praise them for being "heroic" or go like "we should be like them" when in reality, they don't give two fucks about any of us. just like the HRC, they basically get off to things being fucked up for a lot of us because that's their calling card. it's beneficial to them. godforbid if things really DO get better because how will they ever get money and would have to find regular jobs like most of us do. they all have this elitist, a-list gay attitudes where we can't sit at the same table they do. i refuse to support that dumb shit especially when these guys are fucked up as all hell too ready to look down on everyone else like their shit don't stink.

but we can't criticize other gay people though because it's "homophobic" or supporting the homophobes. i don't like the homophobes either but i'll be damn if i'm giving a pass to another gay person who is actually trying to be problematic to other gay people in general or is dividing the community where we all are at each others throats.

 

[refujiunderground]

Your personal life doesn't have to do with anything outside of what you bring to it, which is your anger, all the time.

Your responses to people further prove it.

once again, you're confusing disagreement or disapproval with something that you don't have an issue with as anger. i can disapprove or disagree with something as i please without you assuming things about me such as my feelings which you do not know.

you remind me of those people on the other web site which would call people "trolls" or say that they're angry with life or were anti gay because disagree with racist posters when they were talking shit. i'm sorry but in reality, a lot of shit that people think is acceptable to do blatantly would get them in a world of shit if they tried it on the wrong people and there's a lot of the wrong people out there. it's like those guys that got their ass beat in that dallas bbq restaurant, ready to play the "anti gay" card.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

When all you do on here is bitch, moan and criticize someone or something when the opportunity presents itself, I will call that as I see it.

 

[zombiekiller]

^^ You two have long-ass names.

 

[refujiunderground]

When all you do on here is bitch, moan and criticize someone or something when the opportunity presents itself, I will call that as I see it.

exactly, it's how YOU see it. you notice that a few other people in here agreed with what i said. i don't need your approval for a valid point when there is evidence that validates it. your premise of "me being angry" because i have an issue with narcissistic people taking advantage of the whole gay rights movement to the point where they're causing problems for other people is useless.

 

[jbrown329]

Until this thread I had no clue as to the people in those videos. And I really don't care. As for Savage, what has been said about him, I've not seen or heard, and I really don't care. But I don't follow him or what he says. That kind of crap reminds me of celebrity TV. Which I find absolutely asinine. I find it boring. And it's crap that I don't follow.

 

[refujiunderground]

Until this thread I had no clue as to the people in those videos. And I really don't care. As for Savage, what has been said about him, I've not seen or heard, and I really don't care. But I don't follow him or what he says. That kind of crap reminds me of celebrity TV. Which I find absolutely asinine. I find it boring. And it's crap that I don't follow.

well, that's good. unfortunately whether you don't give a fuck or not, these guys basically are trying to speak for you and be your representative like how they are trying to be for the entire lgbt community for straight people and straight people, the people they are targeting, are paying attention. the last thing these guys need are more followers so it's good that you're ignoring them but at the same time, it kind of negates itself because you're gay. they have enough gay followers to make a name for themselves amongst us which is bad already. a straight person ignoring them would be much better because they're trying to make themselves into household names where straight people recognize them. we don't need these people to try to "educate" straight people on what being gay is cause another bigger problem. we already have people like davey wavey further miseducating an already ignorant and homophobic straight population with his bs.

 

[Cormac135]

well, that's good. unfortunately whether you don't give a fuck or not, these guys basically are trying to speak for you and be your representative simply because you're gay and sadly, people are listening to them. the last thing these guys need are more followers so it's good that you're ignoring them but at the same time, it kind of negates itself because you're gay. they have enough gay followers to make a name for themselves amongst us. a straight person ignoring them would be much better because that's the real audience they are trying to target.

At least they're being positive and getting out there and doing stuff, not ranting like a loon on the net.

 

[rareboy]

Pretty much this.

And Grimshaw is just as guilty of pouring poison into threads like this as well.

At a certain point though...who of us really pay any attention to what Refuji, Kane or Grimshaw really think about homos.

They are just proof that homophobia within the LGBT community thrives.

Thank God there are people like Dan Savage and a whole lot of others who are trying to send a positive message to young gay kids.

Maybe it would change things if some of the really strong, out black celebs and social leaders were to create a campaign that would be directed at the black community...because apparently white people have no credibility when it comes to encouraging kids of colour to find inner strength, to accept themselves and to live a happy life as a homo.

 

[Alistair]

exactly, it's how YOU see it. you notice that a few other people in here agreed with what i said. i don't need your approval for a valid point when there is evidence that validates it. your premise of "me being angry" because i have an issue with narcissistic people taking advantage of the whole gay rights movement to the point where they're causing problems for other people is useless.

Again you always talk about evidence that validates your opinion but you never produce the evidence, and the fact that Pat Grimshaw agrees with you isn't a point in your favor. I'd also like to see how these so called narcissistic people are causing problems for gays. Stop making up shit to just try to prove you're right.

 

[Cormac135]

Wait, who was it that tried to get on the tv show The Real World ?

I think a great deal of this is nothing but sheer jealousy and bitterness.

 

[JerryPic]

Even I, who is considered to be humble and kind person, down to earth kind of guy, had to made up my mind adding the first person into my ignore list. I'm sorry, that it doesn't hide the person completely and now I have to log in every time I come into JUB, but hey...like someone said, life's a bitch. I'm sure there is no need to tell who that person is.

About the question OP made.....based on the comments within this thread, it's easy to understand, why there is homophobia inside LGBT movement

 

[NotHardUp1]

That's the typical talk on gay web forums where people such as yourself are ready to label anybody that doesn't agree with you as "trolls" or being bitchy. Man up please. Nobody doesn't fucking agree with you on everything. Get over yourself.

Sadly, you leave us but few choices. Either we note the relentless tenor of you posts and conclude you are perennially bitchy and malcontent, or we take you to be demented. You evince nothing else for us to key on.

I disagree with Kallipolis, EastofEden, Alnitak, Rolyo, Soilwork, MakeDigitalLove, LuckyNumbah7, DpNice, MitchyMo, Cormac, and almost ever single member on here at some time, yet I've called none of these "trolls" and usually avoid using "bitchy" as an epithet.

But for some, it absolutely applies.

 

[alphacentauri]

He's right though. Dan Savage is a fucking hypocrite. He basically is one of those gay guys that simply believes that gay men can't be monogamous where he's basically dissing all of us that prefer or people who are in monogamous relationships. He thinks that everyone desires to be like him and his husband in an open marriage. That's just one of many issues with him. If he represented himself, that's fine but like the gay youtube attention whoring couple. He's one of those narcissistic losers trying to make themselves the spokesperson for all of us for his own self serving purpose, feeding his ego, fame and bs lIke that. He cares about what he can get out of playing an activist for the community more so than actually being an activist which means hes not geniune and it shows though his biphobia, transphobia, racist attitude, him being apart of the same problems that is destroying the gay community from the inside out. Sort of like al Sharpton is with black people in america.

Very true. Everyone I know from Seattle or the Pacific Northwest, both LGBT and hetero people have known this all about Dan Savage for decades, and they are tired of him and wish he would just go away. They also do not like how he's a transplant to Seattle from the Midwest and acts as though he's some expert on LGBT issues and human sexuality when he graduated with a degree in drama from a Midwestern university, is an ex drag queen who is one of the most negative people you will ever meet that started writing his "advice column" in a free city paper, and he has been out of touch with LGBT issues and politics for decades.

 

[-Kane-]

Your personal life doesn't have to do with anything outside of what you bring to it, which is your anger, all the time.

Your responses to people further prove it.

I don't see any anger in the points he's made. What I do see in this thread is lots of projection from you and RareBoy. Your attempts to paint disagreement as "anger" is a tactic I've been familiar with in the workplace and in college classrooms. It's a refined racist tactic you wouldn't dare employ on a white gay male. Yet it seems fitting for all others...

I see you.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I don't see any anger in the points he's made. What I do see in this thread is lots of projection from you and RareBoy. Your attempts to paint disagreement as "anger" is a tactic I've been familiar with in the workplace and in college classrooms. It's a refined racist tactic you wouldn't dare employ on a white gay male. Yet it seems fitting for all others...

I see you.

You can call it a racist tactic all you want, but if you and him want to pretend that he is the only person I went at on this board go ahead. It doesn't have anything to do with the topics at hand, it has to with him going into any given thread, putting up his soap box and going off about it. He has done it plenty of times.

So in reality, you don't see shit. You're making assumptions about my intentions based on nothing.

 

[Cormac135]

I don't see any anger in the points he's made. What I do see in this thread is lots of projection from you and RareBoy. Your attempts to paint disagreement as "anger" is a tactic I've been familiar with in the workplace and in college classrooms. It's a refined racist tactic you wouldn't dare employ on a white gay male. Yet it seems fitting for all others...

I see you.

All i see is the race card being played yet again by you.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Here's some more capitalists making use of the gays

http://www.noh8campaign.com/page/faq

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...Q6AEIRDAJ#v=onepage&q=bouska t shirts&f=false

http://www.********itereport.org/www.bouska.net

 

[rareboy]

I have to say this thread does make me feel better about not being bitter and angry all the time. It feels good to have energy that isn't wasted on anger and hate.

Yeah it's happening all too often nowadays, the usual suspects spewing hate at anyone who isn't them then holding up the race card if you challenge them on anything.

I don't see any anger in the points he's made. What I do see in this thread is lots of projection from you and RareBoy. Your attempts to paint disagreement as "anger" is a tactic I've been familiar with in the workplace and in college classrooms. It's a refined racist tactic you wouldn't dare employ on a white gay male. Yet it seems fitting for all others...

I see you.

We take his postings as a whole body of work.

The same obsessive rants. The same 'calling out' of all the homos he doesn't approve of.

The fact is, he is one of the angriest people on JUB and you can't see it because you are probably the second angriest. Although Morrisey may be this week since his woman hate thread got toasted. Each of you have more subsets of homos that you can't stand than any other posters on JUB. Although Grimshaw is right in there as well.

There isn't a single thing that any white person can do or say that doesn't lead to trouble. We get it. And every post the two of you make is joyless, accusatory, derogatory or negative in some other way. You use this forum and these threads to vent about all the slights, both real and imagined and make sure that all the rest of us know that we're supposed to feel some kind of collective guilt.

The problem is that after yards and yards of Refuji's bong induced rants in thread after thread after thread after thread about the same imaginary foes out here in homoland and recounting the same litany of faults that everyone except him seems to suffer from....there isn't much more to say. We all just have to sit back and let the two of you fume and fulminate and for some bizarre reason some posters still seem inclined to want to engage the angry kids...as though somehow one of us might break through and make you see that not every one of us is the enemy.

Maybe one day, either you or Refuji will make a thread that demonstrates that you have some intellectual interest in the world outside of your angry navel gazing and the rest of us will get a better idea of you as people. Because to be perfectly blunt, both of you come off as one dimensional caricatures.