How Barack Obama played the race card

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And, incidently, Obama spoke out against the war but he wasn't in the Senate and didn't vote on it.

Then later, when asked how he'd have voted if he'd been in the Senate, he said he didn't know.

Obama NEVER said he didn't know. Your repug tactic of saying(writing) it doesn't make it so. This is a pretty big accusation that conveniently doesn't have a link to prove what you say. It seems to me at least one journalist would have been all over this had he said it, but you don't care about facts, only whatever it takes to try to win an argument. Try fact checking before writing.

 

[MystikWizard]

Here is what Nick just said.

It's amazing the fantasies you make up in your own mind and attach to me.

Show any evidence at all, with direct quotes from me, that what you say has even a hint of validity.

I've voted for men and women, blacks and whites, Jews and gentiles, gays and straights, Republicans and Democrats, rich and poor, young and old. I vote for the candidate I determine has the best qualifications for getting the job done.

Hillary Clinton's experience makes her far and away the most qualified to be our President at this time, whether she's a man or a woman, black or white, Jewish or gentile, gay or straight, republican or democrat.

And here is what I said before ... which him and others continually dodge when I make the Voting-By-Gender accusation towards them.

Explain to all of us why Hillary's so-called "Experience" as First Lady should be taken into consideration when we, the voting Republic, still do not know what exactly that "experience" entailed? Furthermore, if you have the knowledge and wish to defend Hillary on the Experience front, tell us all exactly what she accomplished as First Lady, since apparently you are privy to information the rest of us are not.

Start giving legitimate explanations to some of these issues ... then maybe you won't be accused of being Feminist Voters who are voting based on Gender.

And they can't do it. They can not tell us what that "Experience" is. They can't give us any specific details, because the Clinton Camp will not tell the White House what records to release to the public on this matter ... because they don't want those records released to the public.

And they also dodge and refuse to address all the money the Clinton's have taken from Special Interest Groups, including the Defense Industry, and the Fundraising Scandals they have been involved in. Like I said, as long as you are a Woman, apparently you get a Free Pass from all of this. Because it is quite clear that Obama has far more character and integrity than Hilllary Clinton.

Therefore, I stand by my accusation that I and others are joining me in making, and that is that you and the other Clinton supporters are voting by Gender and that Gender preferences are coming into play in your decision ... because you can not give satisfactory responses to these questions. If Hillary was a man and did not have the last name Clinton, there would be no intrigue with her by you, this person would be viewed as just another politician by you .... and you know that.

WOW, WOW, WOW! I'm a female, and I even agree with these statements. I guess because I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton on February 5th, I'm all the sudden antifeminist because I'm supporting Obama. I must say after his primary cycle I have seen more than ever numerous members of the GLBT community (that I'm apart of since I'm bisexual) have some major issues and a lot of it does have to do with sex and race. It's shameful at best.

Couldn't agree more. Whether these individuals are consciously aware of it or not, yes Gender is coming into play in this election by many members in the Gay Community ... which again ... is stereotypical, like Lost Lover also stated. And you're right. It is shameful. It's very shameful that members in our community vote in this manner.

 

[NickCole]

Obama NEVER said he didn't know. Your repug tactic of saying(writing) it doesn't make it so. This is a pretty big accusation that conveniently doesn't have a link to prove what you say. It seems to me at least one journalist would have been all over this had he said it, but you don't care about facts, only whatever it takes to try to win an argument. Try fact checking before writing.

The New York Times -- July 26, 2004:

In a recent interview, he declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time.

''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

Also, in October 2006 he was quoted in The New Yorker, "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those that did, it might have led to a different set of choices."




Oh, and ...

It seems to me at least one journalist would have been all over this had he said it

... you'd think so, wouldn't you? And yet ....

 

[MystikWizard]

Circular logic. You can't pretend that Clinton supporters aren't providing reasons other than gender to vote for her, and then refuse to listen to those reasons when they are given. One could just as easily dismiss your reasons for supporting Obama as "bullshit", which - by your logic - would prove that you are merely a "black sympathizer" who votes based on race.

No, it's simply a matter of these supporters using a Clinton term ... and that is "Experience". When I ask for a little more information to define exactly what that Experience is, they can't do it. They simply say, well ... "She has more experience than Barack." And I push them further to define what she did as First Lady since she, herself ... is running on that so-called "Experience" and they can't tell me.

Therefore, I can only deduce from this that they are voting for Hillary for other reasons than what they are stating, and simply trying to desperately support their argument with saying the word "Experience", despite the fact they can not tell everyone on here what she accomplished and what she was involved in as First Lady.

Like someone else said on here, you could be a surgeon's wife. Now, does that mean you would want the Surgeon's Wife to operate on you? Does that make her qualified to perform an operation? Didn't think so.

Neither does being First Lady qualify one to be President, alone ... much less when none of her supporters can tell us what exactly she did as First Lady.

They are voting for her for other reasons than what they are stating, and we know what those reasons are. I think it's sad that the members of the Gay Community who are doing this can not rise above the very stereotypes that are placed upon them.

 

[iman]

Just for you, Midnight, and maybe you will tell us sometime why you are voting for either Ron Paul or Obama, maybe because they are both men because they sure don't have anything else in common.

http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/01/what-is-sen-clintons-experience.html

• Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children's Defense Fund.
• She began her career as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973.
• following her career as a Congressional legal counsel; she was named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991.
• During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.
• Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.
• In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.
• She was the First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992, and was active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children, and was on the board of Wal-Mart and several other corporate boards.
• Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.
• One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
• She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
• As First Lady of the United States she took a very prominent role in public policy.
• She was the initial first lady to hold a post-graduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the initial first lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House.
• She fought hard for Universal Health Care as First Lady, although it wasn't successful, it's something she learned from.
• She visited over 80 countries as First Lady giving important speeches, about such controversial topics as human rights/women's rights in China.
• Her major initiative, the Clinton Health Care Plan, failed to gain approval by the Congress in 1994, but in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.
• As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.
• She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.
• She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
• She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.
• Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.
• She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.
• She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.
• She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.
• She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.
• She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.
• She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.
• She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.
• Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.
• She has also proposed expanding access to child care.
• She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.
• Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.
• She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.
• She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

When Senator Clinton said she has been fighting for causes important to her for 35 yrs, she is VERY accurate. Her accomplishments are staggering. Those who are questioning her accomplishments, and the things she has fought for, should take a little history lesson.

 

[Twisted06]

Let me help you understand why she doesnt just have to win but win by huge margins to even have a chance to get even with Obama in pledged delegates. The math is nearly impossible in the real world. Please read the whole thing to get the gist of it.

http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/02/finding-the-path

again your trying to make a point, that is media talking people talking to the media. i dont belive shit these people say i never have and i never will. when you provide hard facts with your posts to prove me wrong instead of sending me to media. ill act like i care about you and your posts.cuz as of right now all you do is provide articles 90% of the time to news media and thats about as truthfull as saying because i said so or he said she said.

 

[Twisted06]

and midnight and lost lover. heres idea, your only focused on clinton because shes running for president. so what do you say about all the other senators who voted like clinton did ? r they twofaced as well ? cuz if so i feel sorry for you cuz ur calling most of the senate two faced liars who only say whats good for them. your hate for clinton is so unreal to the point where you think everything bad thats happend to this country is her fault alone, along with the republicans . and dont say thats not true because youve proved it over and over.

 

[Backlum-Chaam]

Like someone else said on here, you could be a surgeon's wife. Now, does that mean you would want the Surgeon's Wife to operate on you? Does that make her qualified to perform an operation? Didn't think so.

Rigged analogy. Why are we assuming that the surgeon's wife isn't also licensed/qualified to be a surgeon?

 

[Lostlover]

And if you look at Obama's support, an overwhelming proportional majority is coming from... well... blacks. In fact, a higher percentage of the black community is voting for Obama, than the percentage of women who are voting for Hillary.

PURE BULLSHIT!

And blacks pushed Obama over in Wisconsin and Iowa and the MANY other states Obama has won?

Obama has mainstream appeal which has been compared to Oprah. She transcends race. And so do Obama.

 

[Lostlover]

And, incidently, Obama spoke out against the war but he wasn't in the Senate and didn't vote on it.

Then later, when asked how he'd have voted if he'd been in the Senate, he said he didn't know.

And he's voted the same as Hillary has, regarding Iraq, since he's been in the Senate, despite saying, before he was in the Senate, that he wouldn't.

Furthermore:





When he's not in power to do something he says one thing, then when he has to cast a vote he does the opposite.

What does that tell us about what he's saying he'll do as President versus what he would do as President?

I think Barack Obama is dishonest and untrustworthy.

Your statements are so full of shit.

Obama was against the war from day one. Billary doesn't deny it. She just questions how musch he was against the war.

You're so jealous and bitter at Obama that it's making you look very unmanly.

Obama is everything Hillary is politically except he doesn't flip flop on major issues and isn't PMSing every other day.

That mysognistic slap at Hillary was for her being complacent and guilty of leaking the Obama "Muslim" photos.

Fuck Hillary.

 

[NickCole]

You're so jealous and bitter at Obama that it's making you look very unmanly.

 

[iman]

You're so jealous and bitter at Obama that it's making you look very unmanly.

Oh, LL, your just soooo Butch!

 

[Lostlover]

and midnight and lost lover. heres idea, your only focused on clinton because shes running for president. so what do you say about all the other senators who voted like clinton did ? r they twofaced as well ? cuz if so i feel sorry for you cuz ur calling most of the senate two faced liars who only say whats good for them. your hate for clinton is so unreal to the point where you think everything bad thats happend to this country is her fault alone, along with the republicans . and dont say thats not true because youve proved it over and over.

Yes, they're not running for president. But Hillary has been unapologetic about voting for the Iraq war.

Almost everyone who supported the war has admitted it was a mistake except Hillary and maybe McCain.

Then the Clintons had the audacity to question Obma's anti-Iraq war stance. Hillary has no right to question it.

You need to stop making up outs for Clinton. Let her and her quickly shrinking campaign team of spin doctors do all the lying.

 

[Lostlover]

Oh, LL, your just soooo Butch!

That's really manly right there ^^^.

Again like I said all along, there's nothing more intimidating to the older generation than an educated smart and handsome black man who is confident.

Hey, when you're college aged and seeing black people being hosed for drinking in your water fountains, the idea of one of "them" being president is very scary.

It's going to be so funny when that trick Hillary is conceding next Tuesday... so funny.

 

[Twisted06]

Yes, they're not running for president. But Hillary has been unapologetic about voting for the Iraq war.

Almost everyone who supported the war has admitted it was a mistake except Hillary and maybe McCain.

Then the Clintons had the audacity to question Obma's anti-Iraq war stance. Hillary has no right to question it.

You need to stop making up outs for Clinton. Led her and her quickly shrinking campaign team of spin doctors do all the lying.

you never once mentioned to me that the thing botherd you was that she was unapologetic, theres no need to be rude if u woulda made that more clear to me then i woulda saw your point. unless im just a moron and missed it if thats the case then im sorry. but on that not of her not apologizing sooner like everyone else did then i do agree with you. i thought your point you were making was your just lashing out at her because shes the only one running. and your calling only her two faced. but i do see your point now and i agree so i apologize for that. so correct me if im wrong now about what you ment. the only other issue im having now is it seeming like most of this campaign to people on here is the race issue. and im bringing this up because today again i heard whats his name senator lewis or w/e saying this helps our " cause " i thought the point of the election was electing a better president then we had now and nothing about" cause "

 

[Lostlover]

you never once mentioned to me that the thing botherd you was that she was unapologetic, theres no need to be rude if u woulda made that more clear to me then i woulda saw your point. unless im just a moron and missed it if thats the case then im sorry. but on that not of her not apologizing sooner like everyone else did then i do agree with you. i thought your point you were making was your just lashing out at her because shes the only one running. and your calling only her two faced. but i do see your point now and i agree so i apologize for that. so correct me if im wrong now about what you ment.

That's exactly what I meant.

But this thread won't mean anything after next Tuesday.

Hillary resigned during that debate being the silly old wench that she is...

Hillary's childish and mercurial behavior in the last two months have cost her the VP position. Obama wouldn't associate himself with such divisive filth and greed that is Hillary.

 

[Twisted06]

That's exactly what I meant.

But this thread won't mean anything after next Tuesday.

Hillary resigned during that debate being the silly old wench that she is...

Hillary's childish and mercurial behavior in the last two months have cost her the VP position. Obama wouldn't associate himself with such divisive filth and greed that is Hillary.

have u saw the polls lately ? you and i both know as much as i like hillary right now and you i wont say hate cuz i was told not to use that word lol. as much as u dislike her she wont quit the election until she has to. so dont count on march 4th being the end of it quite yet. im starting to agree she doesnt have a chance right now myself. after im looking at the count how much behind she is.

 

[Twisted06]

Your only dislike is that she voted for the war, and not thrown up her hands and cried and pleaded for America to forgive her. So let me ask you this, after 9/11 there was a large increase in men joining the the military because they supported the war and believed in what needed to be done over there. A lot of them gave their life for that cause that they believed and MOST American people believed at the time and based on info that we had that it was the right thing to do. Hillary being in the senate at that time and being from NY which gave her bigger burdern to carry that w "America" had to act. That would be alot of pressure that she would have had to think about. Obama didn't have that pressure so it is very easy for him to sit and say he was against it, then and now. Like I said before, he has stated that had he been in the Senate at that time, he doesn't know how he would have voted.

Here voting for the war my be an issue for you not to like her, but it is a week issue.

you should really also add the facts of that 77 senators voted for the war. so to call hillary two faced for it, your in reality saying the 77 senators who voted for the war are two faced. i found the record online i just didnt know if it was really accurate or not so i didnt bother to post it.

 

[NickCole]

Hey, when you're college aged and seeing black people being hosed for drinking in your water fountains, the idea of one of "them" being president is very scary.

You don't know what that's like so I'll tell you.

For many of us it was scary to see that happening. It was revolting and upsetting beyond words.

Many worked hard to change that. Yes, many who are white and now middle aged and older. Those are the people who changed it. Not you.

The idea of a black man being President of the United States, to people like me who saw black people being hosed for drinking from "white" water fountains, is more exciting than you --with you experience-- are capable of knowing. Just like losing dozens of friends to AIDS is something you're incapable of knowing. Likewise, you will experience things in your lifetime that I'll be incapable of knowing.

I'm not scared to see a black man President and I'm not scared to see a woman President, or a Latino or a gay. I'm excited at the prospect. But more importantly --and this is what Martin Luther King Jr preached-- I'm going to look beyond his skin color, beyond her gender and judge the candidates by the content of their character and the substance of their accomplishments. And when the first black President and the first woman President takes the oath of office nobody will cheer louder than those of us older Americans who know what it was like when they were hosed or told to be the good subservient wife and fought against it. Because we remember. And we know.

 

[Twisted06]

im not racist but im gonna say this, why is race still playing a big factor ? im tired of hearing about the past. this country will be alot better of a place if everyone will stop dwelling in the past and live to work for a better future. i know im proably gonna get called racist for this but its the truth. if we stop dwelling of the past and live for the future we could all get along better.