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How many different people or ways will they come up with ...

Yo,John,..

I just read an article that said after the raid,they took Bin Ladens body to the U.S.S. Carl Vinson where he was then buried at sea..



Wasn't that the carrier you were just on? Thanks for the sticker too!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

Sho' nuff.


It is amazing to me what the Carriers do for this country day in and day out. Most of it never makes a press release anywhere other than CHINFO clips. I am not just talking about bringing the pain either. These state ships do amazing things.

It is humbling to be even a small part of the Global Force For Good.

(Cue the video)

 
The only involvement that either of your presidents have in this is the fact that they were both Presidents signing off orders. You have your intelligence and your military to thank for Bin Laden's death. The way you squabble over which of your 'daddies' is the best is just so funny to outsiders. Thanks for providing me with a smile over breakfast!

I disagree.

Leadership matters.

George "Brownie, you're doing a great job" Bush might have succeeded in capturing Bin laden if he had been lucky. But, Bush handicapped his effort by surrounding himself with people who thought like him. People who believed in the efficiency of torture as an interrogation technique and people who were appointed because of political ideology and party loyalty rather than qualifications or competence. Rather than focus on the problem - Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda - Bush diverted most of his intelligence resources to Iraq. Bush lead the charge to capture Bin laden - in entirely the wrong direction. Bush strengthened the hand of Al-Qaeda by opening up to them Iraq as a new territory for exploitation and recruitment.

Obama might have failed if he had been unlucky. But, Obama surrounded himself with people who understood the problem and who understood how to apply available resources to its resolution. Obama re-focused attention away from Iraq and in the direction in which the problem actually laid.

GWB, no doubt, contributed something to the capture of Bin laden. But, Bush's failure was not simply bad luck or a lack of time. And Obama's success was not merely providence.

We owe a debt of gratitude to those Navy Seals who performed their jobs with such remarkable efficiency and skill. But this success is not theirs alone.

Leadership matters.
 
Since the seals are the bomb here is another video that shows somewhat how things work... although I doubt we would hit a single target with a SM-2, a Tomahawk and a AGM-65... but it is a damn good video.



BTW I have served on every platform depicted except of course strolling up the beach .....
 
Sho' nuff.


It is amazing to me what the Carriers do for this country day in and day out. Most of it never makes a press release anywhere other than CHINFO clips. I am not just talking about bringing the pain either. These state ships do amazing things.

It is humbling to be even a small part of the Global Force For Good.

(Cue the video)




We're all real proud of you guys/girls John....|..|

Hey,maybe after DADT is repealed,they could James in one of those commercials..He's good looking enough so that it becomes everyones favorite commercial..lol
 
What I love the most here is that the same conservative in this thread and aroung the nation that are now saying leadership Doesn't matter are the same ones that WERE saying it did when THEY thought it made good political points in the heartland.

Fear, baby

Its what the republicans live for.
 
Exactly! More things could have gone wrong than right. It might have been a disaster.

The President took a huge chance, made a tough decision, did the right thing.

It was courageous on his part and one of his best moments.

I agree Daniel..Imagine the shitstorm if this had gotten fucked up? It was a risky decision...

Obama usually frustrates the shit out me,but on this one,it couldn't have gone any better..
 
Like I said, the GOP isn't even pretending to cheer on America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHsjRzUTLQ&feature=player_embedded

There's a few decent ones out there..But from what I've read,many of the right wing faithful are upset that Bush wasn't given 'enough' credit..

I'm not sure what kind of credit they feel the man deserves..He's been out of office for a couple of years now(thank god) and even when he was in,he,himself said that he ''truly wasn't concerned'' with OBL's whereabouts.

Well,it showed too...

If Bush had been President when OBL was waxed, then,I would have given him props for it..But like he said in so many words..He didn't give a fuck where the guy was..So why does he deserve any credit? It doesn't work like that..

But really,the credit goes to the guys that put their lives on the line when they boarded those helicoptors and landed on Bin Laden's property.Obama may have given the 'ok'-but those guys did the deed..

Great job! We're lucky to have troops like that.And-a President who did give a fuck..
 
We're all real proud of you guys/girls John....|..|

Hey,maybe after DADT is repealed,they could James in one of those commercials..He's good looking enough so that it becomes everyones favorite commercial..lol

Well for what it is worth I agree whole heartedly that it would be a good commercial to see but for now it wont be James. Check my status that is just to your left... yup. All good things come to and end.

What I love the most here is that the same conservative in this thread and aroung the nation that are now saying leadership Doesn't matter are the same ones that WERE saying it did when THEY thought it made good political points in the heartland.

Fear, baby

Its what the republicans live for.

I am not taking up their fight but see the points being made when in contrast the left is ravenously adamant nothing was accomplished previously just so they can tout their hero. i think both concepts are ignorant and counterproductive. Some are simply going to argue for and against just because of the issue or the color if you will. Neither you nor I will ever sway their opinion.

So why let it bother you? Aren't you above it?
 
I am amused. My world is not affected my their ignorance.

bush gets no credit for the economic mess after one Obama was in office, but he shares half the credit for a plan built and chosen by Obama and his hand picked team.

Its classic conservative thinking.

If its good its GOP's terrotory somehow. If its bad, it HAS to be the liberals fault, cause conservatives believe , seroiusly, that they can do no wrong.
 
Lol i gotta do it...


Actionable intelligence that would have never come to light had it not been for interrogation techniques not authorized by Obama.

I mean since your gonna play the petty high school shit.

Enjoy

No...

Today Donald Rumsfield confessed that waterboarding or "enhanced interrogation" didn't lead to the courier's capture. The source is Faux News too. ( http://radio.foxnews.com/2011/05/02...leading-to-courier-timeline-doesn’t-match-up/ )

And...

In 2002, Bush said he doesn't worry or "spend too much time thinking about him." That him is Bin Laden.

Straight from the dolt's mouth.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]

Your move.
 
I am amused. My world is not affected my their ignorance.

bush gets no credit for the economic mess after one Obama was in office, but he shares half the credit for a plan built and chosen by Obama and his hand picked team.

Its classic conservative thinking.

If its good its GOP's terrotory somehow. If its bad, it HAS to be the liberals fault, cause conservatives believe , seroiusly, that they can do no wrong.

Ok well the vehemence must just be your online persona. Nobody can become that angry and not be affected. Just my humble opinion.

The point i made initially was that this is not over. Which has been somewhat agreed to in this and other threads if not directly after I posted it. The response i received was that I hate Obama and refuse to do this or that. I feel very confident in saying I do more for Obama every day amongst conservative ideology than every post on this board combined.

And yes I see the absolute lunacy with which the fringe is reacting because a democrat was at the helm. Everything from we should have captured him with daisies to Obama didnt give the order. It is truly sad. I do not believe that lunatic fringe anymore than i believed half of the lunacy surrounded the Bush Presidency.

Some have ascribed my loyalty to this country and its system as required because of my oath in the past in some sort of apology for my opinions in regards to Bush and in regards to Obama. Let me tell ya a man makes the oath and not the other way around.

Finally do you know what has changed in the execution of the job where it is actually being done from Bush to Obama?

Nothing.

A significant change occurred after the reign of Rummy but that is another story.


No...

Today Donald Rumsfield confessed that waterboarding or "enhanced interrogation" didn't lead to the courier's capture. The source is Faux News too. ( http://radio.foxnews.com/2011/05/02...leading-to-courier-timeline-doesn’t-match-up/ )

And...

In 2002, Bush said he doesn't worry or "spend too much time thinking about him." That him is Bin Laden.

Straight from the dolt's mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Your move.

To be honest LL when that statement was made I whole heartedly defended it and I do to this day. That is not to say that the elimination of Osama bin Laden is insignificant or to downplay any achievement of this Presidency and his national security team. It is simply a fact.

The fact is we have much more to do in that region than simply kill one man. It is not the end of that organization by design. We would be severely derelict in the duty we assumed when we invaded and prove to the folks there that we are simply shallow. One country, one city, one village and indeed one heart and soul at a time will cement our devotion to a stable successful sovereign state. What's more with that tact the people will become more empowered and much more capable of sustaining that freedom and dignity if they feel they have a root interest in doing so.

So was bin Laden important and did it feel good. Your damn right. However the focus is not one man it is the condition in which that man was given the opportunity to win the hearts and minds of the youth and then bring terrible pain upon all he touched.

Dare I say that the actions he took after we focussed uponj his organization was one of the main ways the people of this generation learned of his true nature. The ruthless manner in which he killed not only the satan but the muslim peoples alike? Where and how would that have been displayed so clearly.

No I am of a very different opinion as you all well know. History will look back upon these last ten years not with the bleeding eye so many are convinced will be the judgement. I think it will be quite different. However that was two Presidents not one. One who had either the courage or the lack of intelligence to start this process and knowingly become a scourge in the process. And indeed one who had the strength and courage to continue that fight.

This is a damn good thing but my soapbox is asking for quarters. :wave:
 
Ok well the vehemence must just be your online persona. Nobody can become that angry and not be affected. Just my humble opinion.

The point i made initially was that this is not over. Which has been somewhat agreed to in this and other threads if not directly after I posted it. The response i received was that I hate Obama and refuse to do this or that. I feel very confident in saying I do more for Obama every day amongst conservative ideology than every post on this board combined.

And yes I see the absolute lunacy with which the fringe is reacting because a democrat was at the helm. Everything from we should have captured him with daisies to Obama didnt give the order. It is truly sad. I do not believe that lunatic fringe anymore than i believed half of the lunacy surrounded the Bush Presidency.

Some have ascribed my loyalty to this country and its system as required because of my oath in the past in some sort of apology for my opinions in regards to Bush and in regards to Obama. Let me tell ya a man makes the oath and not the other way around.

Finally do you know what has changed in the execution of the job where it is actually being done from Bush to Obama?

Nothing.

A significant change occurred after the reign of Rummy but that is another story.

Vehemence? I'm from boston. We order our coffee at Dunks with a bad attitude.;)

as for the meat of your response....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110502/us_ac/8407029_obamas_focus_on_the_hunt_for_osama_bin_laden

Sunday night, President Barack Obama announced a team of U.S. Navy Seals had killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. One of the statements in the president's announcement caught my attention. Obama told the nation, "shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al-Qaida, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle and defeat his network."

..............

The Bush White House, the CIA and U.S. military forces spent a great deal of time and effort on matters other than the destruction of bin Laden, after all. During the lead up to the Iraq War there was a massive effort by the Bush/Cheney-directed intelligence services to produce evidence that Iraq and Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction as detailed in this U.S. Senate Select Committee on intelligence report. That effort and the effort to prosecute the war in Iraq, as well as the nine month manhunt to locate Saddam Hussein, himself, all diverted resources and focus away from Afghanistan and the hunt for bin Laden.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpCBpTbEds&feature=fvst[/ame]

the short answer as to what he did differently?

He stopped dicking around in Iraq, ordered his CIA director to hunt down the bastard as its number one priority, and he got cabinet members who can run agencies as a group and not a competition.

The republican spin to take the victory away from this white house will not be the way history remembers this event.

I think thats what has gotten the conservatives panties in such a bunch on this
 
Well I suppose should we live long enough we will see.

Those opinions and all.... you know the cliche'
 
to avoid giving Obama credit for getting Bin Laden?

"Obama is relying on the demise of a FOREIGN terrorist to bolster his support. Did you hear that? FOREIGN terrorist!!!!! How far will Obama go, propping up his failing presidency with these FOREIGNERS while the liberal MSM give him a free pass?????????????6??? How much more un-American can this guy get?"

How's that?

Did I mention I'm speech-writing for Donald Trump each night while I sit on the toilet?
 
Vehemence? I'm from boston. We order our coffee at Dunks with a bad attitude.;)

as for the meat of your response....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110502/us_ac/8407029_obamas_focus_on_the_hunt_for_osama_bin_laden



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpCBpTbEds&feature=fvst

the short answer as to what he did differently?

He stopped dicking around in Iraq, ordered his CIA director to hunt down the bastard as its number one priority, and he got cabinet members who can run agencies as a group and not a competition.

The republican spin to take the victory away from this white house will not be the way history remembers this event.

I think thats what has gotten the conservatives panties in such a bunch on this

So your opinion is that by executing the Bush negotiated drawdown in Iraq. Then directing the CIA to act upon intelligence gained before he took office was somehow not what Bush would have done? I mean who can really believe a POTUS would not want that for his country much less for his Presidency. I believe as in many things in life (just like the intercepted call by chance because another person was being monitored)....just as many things certain results come about from timing and luck.

Will the loons on both sides contrive whatever they can. I believe so. It usually doesnt sway the main vote in the middle until the end of a second term.

As far as the cabinet working as a team. I can not even begin to assess that as i have not been in the room watching the dynamic of either cabinet.

Finally, as I have said multiple times the real focus the Neocons used to justify invading Iraq was the menace in between them. So very aptly described as dicking around since their ultimate objective failed imho. Iran still stands and is as brutal and belligerent as ever. Of course things are changing. So who can really tell what the final outcome of our blood and tenacity in that region will be. I can't I left my crystal ball at home.
 
Ass-hat libtards just have to make it political.

Yeah, right.:badgrin:

Let's say Bush / Cheney did it. You Conservatards would be creaming in your Dockers about how the Republicans took him out and worshipping at the Bush altar.
 
just after 3:00 minutes....

shep and the woman start discussing the illegality of killing Osama and other aspects of the Obama anti terrorism strategy.

sickening

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pSZNi-kBXw[/ame]
 
Lithium compounds continue to be the gold standard for the treatment of bipolar disorder and is helpful for related diagnoses, such as schizoaffective disorder and cyclic major depression. The active principle in these salts is the lithium ion Li+, although detailed mechanisms are debated.

Honestly you seem like you needed a bump. :)

It was a joke. If you did not find it amusing or feel it was an attack then sorry. not intended that way.

You just seem overly aggressive and angry; all the time.
 
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