How Trump could bring World War III [MERGED]

[kallipolis]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Hogwash. Canada did not exist. We, for the second time, took on the entire British Empire on land and sea; its north American colonies merely provided slavish cannon fodder for their Lords and Masters--not something to be proud of. There were ups and downs, but the tide turned and we won the final battle (New Orleans) and, so, won the war. But the relevant point here is that the democrats foolishly get us into that war as others.

In 1812 most of the British Army, and Navy was committed to fighting Napoleon Bonaparte's armies, and their campaign to assimilate all of Europe into an expanded French empire. On the 18th June, 1815 at Waterloo, the French armies were defeated by the British Army, and its Allies.

Ironically the Battle of New Orleans was fought, after the peace agreement had been signed between the UK, and USA. In those days news travelled...slowly.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Hannah Arendt in her Origins of Totalitarianism empasized the role of an ideology in justifying the total control. Nazis used race and ant-semitism; communists used economic equality and opposition to wealth and reactionism.
Is see the democrat use of racism, real or imagined, is much the same way that nazis used race; both regimes tend so see race/racism in everthing. simultaneously, they have developed environmemtalism and warming as justifying total control. They, like other regimes demonize those who dissent and are esger to suppress dirrering opinions.Everything effects the environment so everything must be controled.

Ideological misrepresentations of reality is your game here, reflecting the propaganda techniques of Nazi Germany.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Ideological misrepresentations of reality is your game here, reflecting the propaganda techniques of Nazi Germany.

Clearly not. My ideology, if any, is the preservation of individual freedom.

 

[Kabluey]

Clearly not. My ideology, if any, is the preservation of individual freedom.

Unless you are transgender, Muslim, a refugee, an immigrant, a democrat voter, or have a vagina.

 

[gsdx]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Ironically the Battle of New Orleans was fought, after the peace agreement had been signed between the UK, and USA. In those days news travelled...slowly.

I must admit, I'm rather saddened by the lack of response to my claim that Britain had nothing to do with New Orleans. Hell, I grew up singing Johnny Horton's The Battle of New Orleans (although I suspect he wasn't telling the entire truth when he sang about filling an alligator's head with cannon balls and powdering his behind).

I was hoping to encourage some legitimate historical research and, perhaps, a legitimate link or two.

But nothing.

Still, New Orleans was fought against Britain. 1812 was, for the most part, fought against Canadians, Peoples of the First Nations, with a little help from British soldiers and a resourceful and determined young colonist named Laura Secord. There really weren't many soldiers available. They were busy elsewhere, which is why the United States thought their invasion was a sure win. They underestimated Loyalist and colonial determination and ingenuity.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

You liberals have it wrong. You think that if the US is weak, we will have peace, but if we are strong, other countries will start wars with us. It is the other way around. That is why you get us into so many wars" 1812, Barbary Pirates, Mexican, Civil, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, ISIS. Obama bombed 7 countries last year with 26, 171 bombs.
Carter was weak, so USSR invaded Afghanistan. Carters response? Just for that we won't come to you Olympics, so there. That will show you.
Reagan rebuilt the military, convinced the Russians that they cannot out spend us and brought down the evil empire.
Obama has weakened the military and the Russians taunt us with jets flying around our ships on a daily basis. They would not have taunted Reagan and they won't taunt Trump.

Obama has repeatedly requested increases in military spending, especially for modernizing the nuclear force, but those have either been voted down by a Republican House or killed by sequestration. Sequestration is what happens when you have a COngress that won't take care of its responsibilities, it isn't due to the president. To lay the blame on the president is false when it's COngress that has reduced the president's requests either deliberately or by negligence.

BTW, liberals don't "think that if the US is weak, we will have peace", they think the U.S. is strong enough at present -- and given that the U.S. by itself could if it had to stand off Chinese meddling using the Navy while sweeping to Moscow in just a few weeks with land forces, it's not a bad position to hold.

Oh -- you claim Obama is weak but say he's fighting all the time. Make up your mind!

Carter -- yeah; his idea of foreign policy being guided by the principle of human rights was good, but he didn't recognize the need to back it up with strength.

As for Putin taunting our Navy, he wants us to shoot back -- it would only strengthen his dictatorship at home and give him even more control over the Russian mafia abroad (they're already a part of how he does foreign policy).

 

[frankfrank]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

I grew up singing Johnny Horton's The Battle of New Orleans...filling an alligator's head with cannon balls and powdering his behind).

Well, the British version actually changes the lyrics to favor the UK...

I read something on Quora (a question and answer website for intelligent people, etc.) where an art teacher got a student paper - I think the assignment was something like drawing a battle or a war - and the student drew the Battle of New Orleans, including an alligator cannon.

 

[gsdx]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Well, the British version actually changes the lyrics to favor the UK...

I didn't know there was a British version. YouTube has it:

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

WRONG! The United States invaded Canada because you thought we were weak and would be 'easy pickings'. You were wrong, and we beat your asses back across the border and burned down your White House for good measure. The Civil War you started with yourselves. You can't blame anyone else for that one.

Um, the U.S. invaded Canada in 1812 because it belonged to Great Britain which had gone to war with the U.S. as part of what was essentially a world war with Great Britain arrayed against various foes and allied with various nations (the lists of which changed from time to time; for example RUssia began as a foe but at the end was an ally). Great Britain lit things off by telling the U.S. that their ships could no longer trade with France, which the U.S. saw as an attempt to ruin the American economy.

Of course Jefferson also saw it as an opportunity to unite all the English-speaking people of North America into one large nation, which played a significant part (his attitude partly driven by the fact that if Congress hadn't dithered forever in the Revolution, Canada might well have been part of the U.S. after the Revolution, as many Canadians then had their own grievances, but he didn't reckon on how attitudes had changed).

But no, the Canadians didn't burn the White House -- that was British regulars, veterans from fighting Napoleon in Spain, arguably the best troops in the world at the time.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

The democrats got us into all those wars. Trumps is not the one you should worry about.

Funny -- I didn't know Hirohito was a Democrat.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

After 6 years of Roosevelt, at the beginning of the war in 1939 the US aremy was 19th in the world. FDR knowingly provoked the Japanese atack, expected an attack, yet gathered the fleet into a small target. Hitler did not hesitate to declare war on us, knowing how weak we were. Weakness invites war, strength avoids it.

The notion that Roosevelt provoked the war can only be sustained if Japan's imperial ambitions are ignored.

And Hitler did everything he could to avoid getting the U.S. involved; he understood the power of unused industrial capacity. Roosevelt kept trying to get U-Boats to attack U.S. ships but Hitler ordered them to pursue British and not get the Americans involved.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Hannah Arendt in her Origins of Totalitarianism empasized the role of an ideology in justifying the total control. Nazis used race and ant-semitism; communists used economic equality and opposition to wealth and reactionism.
Is see the democrat use of racism, real or imagined, is much the same way that nazis used race; both regimes tend so see race/racism in everthing. simultaneously, they have developed environmemtalism and warming as justifying total control. They, like other regimes demonize those who dissent and are esger to suppress dirrering opinions.Everything effects the environment so everything must be controled.

You are a superb example of demonizing those who disagree!

Environmentalism is necessary; we have long since passe the human carrying capacity of the planet if we want a healthy ecosphere to live in and prosper. And global warming is a real problem; humans at the very least need to compensate for all the heat we artificially pump into the atmosphere.

The extent of the control is problematic, but mostly because the idiots in D.C. ignore scientists and impose one-size-fits-all bureaucratic definitions, predictably resulting all too frequently in making problems worse -- local scientists should have the authority to overrule such foolishness.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Hogwash. Canada did not exist. We, for the second time, took on the entire British Empire on land and sea; its north American colonies merely provided slavish cannon fodder for their Lords and Masters--not something to be proud of. There were ups and downs, but the tide turned and we won the final battle (New Orleans) and, so, won the war. But the relevant point here is that the democrats foolishly get us into that war as others.

WTF???

Canada existed -- just read writings of the Founding Fathers to know that. It was a single political entity distinct from the colonies even before the Revolution.

And if you read British history, it becomes quickly painfully obvious that all of the North American territories were considered a drain on military manpower, both before the Revolution and after -- General Wellington considered facing Napoleon without troops that had to be dispatched to Canada to be a risky proposition, which is why he carefully maneuvered to get his battle against Napoleon to a place he'd judged years before to be a superb place for a defensive battle... we know it as Waterloo.

If you'd been alive then, you would have been singing a different tune; Britain's closure of all European ports to U.S. ships was crushing the economy. Madison had little choice but to object forcefully, though you may have a point in that he didn't ask Congress to reverse the declaration of war once Britain backed down -- OTOH, Jefferson at that time (the guy pushing to invade Canada) was a Republican... which just shows that projecting today's parties back that far is foolishness.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

And New Orleans had nothing whatsoever to do with the British. Nothing. You were fighting France.

Um, no. The U.S. had already purchased all that territory, and France was out of the picture. The Battle of New Orleans consisted of Major General Andrew Jackson defending against British forces, both a fleet and an army; Britain had decided that if they could take New Orleans they could seize the entire Louisiana Purchase from the U.S. since that city was the gateway to the territory.

 

[gsdx]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Um, the U.S. invaded Canada in 1812 because it belonged to Great Britain

The point I was making with Benvolio going on and on about the strong being the victims and the weak being invaders is that Canada (both Upper and Lower) was not a threat to the US. The US could have battled the British without invading us. And the other point is that this 'weak' country was victorious. New Orleans really had nothing to do with Canada.

Ben likes to preach his own version of history. I was challenging him to seek the truth instead of his made-up history.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

I must admit, I'm rather saddened by the lack of response to my claim that Britain had nothing to do with New Orleans. Hell, I grew up singing Johnny Horton's The Battle of New Orleans (although I suspect he wasn't telling the entire truth when he sang about filling an alligator's head with cannon balls and powdering his behind).

I was hoping to encourage some legitimate historical research and, perhaps, a legitimate link or two.

But nothing.

Still, New Orleans was fought against Britain. 1812 was, for the most part, fought against Canadians, Peoples of the First Nations, with a little help from British soldiers and a resourceful and determined young colonist named Laura Secord. There really weren't many soldiers available. They were busy elsewhere, which is why the United States thought their invasion was a sure win. They underestimated Loyalist and colonial determination and ingenuity.

I think mostly they underestimated Tecumseh.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

I didn't know there was a British version. YouTube has it:

That is so historically inaccurate I have to think it was written by a cousin of Benvolio.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

The point I was making with Benvolio going on and on about the strong being the victims and the weak being invaders is that Canada (both Upper and Lower) was not a threat to the US. The US could have battled the British without invading us. And the other point is that this 'weak' country was victorious. New Orleans really had nothing to do with Canada.

Ben likes to preach his own version of history. I was challenging him to seek the truth instead of his made-up history.

Ah -- I thought it odd you would make that mistake.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

The point I was making with Benvolio going on and on about the strong being the victims and the weak being invaders is that Canada (both Upper and Lower) was not a threat to the US. The US could have battled the British without invading us. And the other point is that this 'weak' country was victorious. New Orleans really had nothing to do with Canada.

Ben likes to preach his own version of history. I was challenging him to seek the truth instead of his made-up history.

Neither this thread, nor my point are about Canada. You keep trying to make it about canada. My point is and was that the democrats got us into the war, as virtually all our wars. You have less to fear of Trump or any Republican getting us into war than a democrat. Obama has reduced our army to the lowest size simce before WWII. https://www.armytimes.com/story/mil...est-level-since-before-world-war-ii/83875962/
But we are closer to war with Russia than any time since Kennedy.

 

[Telstra]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

WRONG! The United States invaded Canada because you thought we were weak and would be 'easy pickings'. You were wrong, and we beat your asses back across the border and burned down your White House for good measure. The Civil War you started with yourselves. You can't blame anyone else for that one.

oh,
i know nothing about canada /US history.

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