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How Trump could bring World War III [MERGED]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Meanwhile...

Historically, unpredictable leaders who think military forces is what makes them great tend to stumble into wars because others with aggressive intent underestimate them. With a wildly vacillating Trump and an aggressive Putin, we have a recipe for ending up with a Europe that glows.

A very bad aspect of it is that the $1+ trillion Obama requested for finally modernizing our nuclear forces has barely begun to make our missiles much more reliable than the Russians' unmaintained weapons. In fact, there's a good chance that if a nuclear exchange began between the two powers, a large percentage of the missiles on both sides would fail at launch with the possible result of plutonium poisoning of vast stretches of two continents to go with the incineration of cities.

I doubt at this point that Trump is even aware that our land-based missiles still run off 8-inch floppy disks -- and not knowing one's forces limitations has historically been another factor raising the risk of war.
 
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Neither this thread, nor my point are about Canada.

It is not about Canada. I am not making it about Canada. I'm making your your war with Canada and how it contradicts what you've been yapping on and on about.

And we're not talking about Obama. We're talking about Trump. You're the one making it into what YOU want to talk about.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Meanwhile...

Historically, unpredictable leaders who think military forces is what makes them great tend to stumble into wars because others with aggressive intent underestimate them. With a wildly vacillating Trump and an aggressive Putin, we have a recipe for ending up with a Europe that glows.

A very bad aspect of it is that the $1+ trillion Obama requested for finally modernizing our nuclear forces has barely begun to make our missiles much more reliable than the Russians' unmaintained weapons. In fact, there's a good chance that if a nuclear exchange began between the two powers, a large percentage of the missiles on both sides would fail at launch with the possible result of plutonium poisoning of vast stretches of two continents to go with the incineration of cities.

I doubt at this point that Trump is even aware that our land-based missiles still run off 8-inch floppy disks -- and not knowing one's forces limitations has historically been another factor raising the risk of war.

Most people forgot how to use the floppy disks now.
This is ridiculous situation.
 
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Neither this thread, nor my point are about Canada. You keep trying to make it about canada. My point is and was that the democrats got us into the war, as virtually all our wars. You have less to fear of Trump or any Republican getting us into war than a democrat. Obama has reduced our army to the lowest size simce before WWII. https://www.armytimes.com/story/mil...est-level-since-before-world-war-ii/83875962/
But we are closer to war with Russia than any time since Kennedy.

Obama didn't do that, it was Pentagon policy. They're aware of what you apparently aren't, that soldier for soldier the U.S. Army is more potent than its potential foes than it has ever been. Comparing numbers of soldiers is a useless exercise in statistical deception; it's akin to measuring industrial capacity by the number of workers employed without considering the productivity per worker.

Of more concern is the Navy, which is smaller than the Pentagon would like, and the building of new ships is going slowly (mostly due to the idiocy of sequestration, which came about because Congress won't do its job).
 
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Most people forgot how to use the floppy disks now.
This is ridiculous situation.

I have to wonder how many people are even aware there ever were 8-inch floppies.

They came before Pong, for cryin' out loud!

Just for comparison, my current phone has more computing power than all the missile silos in the Dakotas.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Meanwhile...

Historically, unpredictable leaders who think military forces is what makes them great tend to stumble into wars because others with aggressive intent underestimate them. With a wildly vacillating Trump and an aggressive Putin, we have a recipe for ending up with a Europe that glows.

A very bad aspect of it is that the $1+ trillion Obama requested for finally modernizing our nuclear forces has barely begun to make our missiles much more reliable than the Russians' unmaintained weapons. In fact, there's a good chance that if a nuclear exchange began between the two powers, a large percentage of the missiles on both sides would fail at launch with the possible result of plutonium poisoning of vast stretches of two continents to go with the incineration of cities.

I doubt at this point that Trump is even aware that our land-based missiles still run off 8-inch floppy disks -- and not knowing one's forces limitations has historically been another factor raising the risk of war.

Benvolio seems to be of the impression that just having the Republican R next to your name makes you a perfect human being, incapable of doing any wrong while being a liberal makes you the right hand man of Satan. Of course, he seem incapable of realizing that Trump isn't even a real Republican much less a conservative. He is the first president that makes me wish we had put some sort of veto authority in our military command chain over the use of nuclear weapons.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Kuli - your phone has more computing power than the computers aboard the command and lunar modules of Apollo 11 that sent man to the moon and back safely :cool:
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Neither this thread, nor my point are about Canada. You keep trying to make it about canada. My point is and was that the democrats got us into the war, as virtually all our wars. You have less to fear of Trump or any Republican getting us into war than a democrat. Obama has reduced our army to the lowest size simce before WWII. https://www.armytimes.com/story/mil...est-level-since-before-world-war-ii/83875962/
But we are closer to war with Russia than any time since Kennedy.


No we are not. Don't confuse American paranoia well exercised during the 1950s and 1960s with reality. No one nation in Europe has any intention of going to war with Russia. NATO is a defensive organisation that has recently been taking defensive measures against Russian verbal threats, with the USA, and the UK deploying small numbers of troops, and material in Poland to reinforce the defensive character of NATO for all its member nations.

The NATO country with the second largest army, Turkey is currently enjoying a renewed friendship with Russia, following stormy relations early in 2016.
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...arrives-Germany-deter-Russian-aggression.html

This article addresses NATOs response to Putin's perceived threats to East European NATO nations.

I quote:

Ships began unloading U.S. tanks, self-propelled howitzers and hundreds of other fighting vehicles Friday in the northern German port of Bremerhaven, to be moved into Eastern Europe to bolster NATO's deterrence against possible Russian aggression.
Some 3,500 troops from the 4th Infantry Division in Fort Carson, Colorado, will join up with the equipment, which includes 87 tanks and 144 Bradley fighting vehicles, over the next two weeks.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Kuli - your phone has more computing power than the computers aboard the command and lunar modules of Apollo 11 that sent man to the moon and back safely :cool:

Not just the AGC but the Space Shuttles as well.
 
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Fool republicans have historically got us into war and the Dems out Ben what ever you need help no way you are gay. You make Log cabin republicans look liberal ben what ever!
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Fool republicans have historically got us into war and the Dems out Ben what ever you need help no way you are gay. You make Log cabin republicans look liberal ben what ever!
Nonsense. Democrats get us into war, Republicans get us out. Democrats got us into 1812, Barbary Pirates, Mexican War (Lincoln objected), Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo,Al Queda and ISIS. Obama bombed 7 countries last year alone.
 
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Nonsense. Democrats get us into war, Republicans get us out. Democrats got us into 1812, Barbary Pirates, Mexican War (Lincoln objected), Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo,Al Queda and ISIS. Obama bombed 7 countries last year alone.

Copy. Paste. Repeat.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Kuli - your phone has more computing power than the computers aboard the command and lunar modules of Apollo 11 that sent man to the moon and back safely :cool:

Yes, but we aren't using Apollo any more -- but we're still using the same stuff in the missile silos!


Some bright teenager could probably write a phone app to do everything needed for those missiles (including rapid re-targetting), and for the price of a box of smart phones all the silos could be upgraded.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

No we are not. Don't confuse American paranoia well exercised during the 1950s and 1960s with reality. No one nation in Europe has any intention of going to war with Russia. NATO is a defensive organisation that has recently been taking defensive measures against Russian verbal threats, with the USA, and the UK deploying small numbers of troops, and material in Poland to reinforce the defensive character of NATO for all its member nations.

The NATO country with the second largest army, Turkey is currently enjoying a renewed friendship with Russia, following stormy relations early in 2016.

We may not be at war with Russia, but Russia is at war with us. Georgia, Syria, Ukraine, now Estonia, the election hacking -- it's all part of Putin's war against NATO and the U.S.

As for Turkey, Putin is making nice in order to pry them out of NATO.
 
Re: How Trump could bring World War III

Nonsense. Democrats get us into war, Republicans get us out. Democrats got us into 1812, Barbary Pirates, Mexican War (Lincoln objected), Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo,Al Queda and ISIS. Obama bombed 7 countries last year alone.

You've already been called on the lies here.

Mods, can we call the bailiff?
 
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We may not be at war with Russia, but Russia is at war with us. Georgia, Syria, Ukraine, now Estonia, the election hacking -- it's all part of Putin's war against NATO and the U.S.

As for Turkey, Putin is making nice in order to pry them out of NATO.

Russia's military resources are inadequate to the task, with its intervention in Syria evidence of its military shortcomings.

Crimea is a majority Russian region that includes its Black Sea fleet base, that The Kremlin perceived (incorrectly, in my opinion) to be under threat by Uranian nationalists. The invasion of the Republic of Georgia provided Russia with victory, but also exposed its pitiful military inadequacies. Estonia, and the other Baltic states are of no consequence to Russia despite a perception among a few military strategists that they represent some sort of target for Russia.

Turkey buys most of its fuel, and gas from Russia, and has over the past twenty years developed a close trading relationship with Russia that has benefitted both nations. With the current extreme cold weather conditions sweeping through The Balkans, and most of Eastern Europe there is good reason to maintain close trading ties with Russia...if only to keep warm. Snow in Athens, and most of Greece over the last few days with temperatures in northern Greece dropping to minus 18 celsius. Greece also depends on Russian gas, with a pipeline extending from Russia to Alexandropouli, in north eastern Greece.

Trading relations with Russia are beneficial to Russia's economy, as well for those of us who receive Russian supplied oil, and gas.

I may also add that Germany is also a large customer of Russian oil, and gas.
 
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