How Trump could bring World War III [MERGED]

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

From what I've read and heard lately, it is all Trump's doing. What exactly has your demon spawn Obama done? In his two terms, I don't know of any aggressiveness or actions which would lead the world to go to war with the US.

Aggressiveness isn't required; Obama has contributed by not understanding Putin's deviousness and having faith that democracy will triumph just by being democracy.

But what Obama's slow drift has increased, Trump has seriously magnified already. And if he doesn't get his head on straight as far as Russia, he could easily fall into Putin's trap -- and if he responds in macho fashion, Putin will gleefully use a tactical nuke in battle, at which point only God knows what will follow.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

A week before the end of his regime, Obama has moved troops and tanks into Poland, provoking Putin. Hence my questions. Why now?
Is he just trying to dump a mess on Trump?

 

[kallipolis]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

A week before the end of his regime, Obama has moved troops and tanks into Poland, provoking Putin. Hence my questions. Why now?
Is he just trying to dump a mess on Trump?

The United States armoured brigade of 3,500 troops currently on exercises in Poland, is a symbolic gesture reminding Putin that NATO exercises in a NATO country always includes representation from several NATO armies. The Americans are also participating with the armies of other NATO nations.

Putin's Russia is hardly threatened by regular NATO exercises calculated to address the effectiveness of NATOs response to perceived aggression. No one, especially Putin expects an invasion of Russia by NATO ground forces. The lessons taught by Napoleon Bonaparte's invasion, and Hitler's invasion of Russia have not been lost on the democratic nations that make up NATO.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

A week before the end of his regime, Obama has moved troops and tanks into Poland, provoking Putin. Hence my questions. Why now?
Is he just trying to dump a mess on Trump?

Because five different nations have been suffering harassment from Russian military forces.

If Obama hadn't sent them, you'd be whining he was letting Russia get away with aggression.

And it isn't just the U.S.; Sweden has moved troops to areas threatened by Russian antics, which include military aircraft flying over NATO countries' territory with transponders off.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: How Trump could bring World War III

The United States armoured brigade of 3,500 troops currently on exercises in Poland, is a symbolic gesture reminding Putin that NATO exercises in a NATO country always includes representation from several NATO armies. The Americans are also participating with the armies of other NATO nations.

Putin's Russia is hardly threatened by regular NATO exercises calculated to address the effectiveness of NATOs response to perceived aggression. No one, especially Putin expects an invasion of Russia by NATO ground forces. The lessons taught by Napoleon Bonaparte's invasion, and Hitler's invasion of Russia have not been lost on the democratic nations that make up NATO.

Putin knows that U.S. forces currently in Europe could, if they struck without warning, sweep to Moscow in three weeks -- the Russian military is too weak to stop them. That they haven't is enough to tell him there's no intention to.

Putin's problem is that to him, not using those forces to actually intimidate Russia is a sign of weakness, so he needs the reminders that his little games of provocation aren't being ignored. Since he's decided that tactical nukes on the battlefield are legitimate, NATO has to be exceptionally clear that he should stop playing around.


BTW, according to all reports, those 3500 troops are going to stay -- they'll be there nine months, but when they leave others will be rotated in.

 

[heir-to-the-wind]

Scenarios for start of World War III

My bet is Trump's policy towards Israel, causing the Palestinians to increase terrorist attacks that will escalate in a domino effect similar to that which lead to World War I. Trump will impulsively turn it into a nuclear war.

Your guesses?

 

[unloadonme]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

Trump is essentially an isolationist. As long as he can prevent any terrorism reaching mainland USA, I doubt he'll do anything much about Palestine.

 

[rareboy]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

^ That doesn't mean that it won't start WWIII.

I can't tell. On one hand, I see his appeasement of Putin leading to Russia making a move in Europe...but my money is equally on Trump either nuking Iran...or...because he doesn't understand the Israel/Palestine issue....of triggering off a conflagration in the Middle East.

It is just a matter of weeks now, from what I see of week one.

 

[Kabluey]

Who knows, maybe his talk of China will see a South China Sea war.
The Philippines have a particularly unstable leader, and China has been expanding its naval capabilities, while Trump's been threatening sanctions to punish Chinese manufacturing.

 

[SaskGuy]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

I still think people are severely overreacting.

Things will get worse... but not because of who's president of the USA. People are rioting, protesting, and expecting who they think is literally Hitler to cause WWIII... all this because crybabies can't accept the fact that their preferred candidate lost.

 

[Telstra]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

My bet is Trump's policy towards Israel, causing the Palestinians to increase terrorist attacks that will escalate in a domino effect similar to that which lead to World War I. Trump will impulsively turn it into a nuclear war.

Your guesses?

Trump is not stupid enough to get his "beautiful family" all killed by world war.
Guess who might going to die also? His whole family.

 

[DantheManFL]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

 

[sandybf]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

Putin or Kim Jong Un would be the likely candidates

People forget that Trump is a pussycat compared to those two psychopaths

 

[SaskGuy]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

Putin or Kim Jong Un would be the likely candidates

People forget that Trump is a pussycat compared to those two psychopaths

Putin... slim chance, but Kim Jong Un is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. If he tries any funny business, he's gonna get crushed like an ant... and even China is sick of his bullshit.

 

[sandybf]

Re: Scenarios for start of World War III

Putin... slim chance, but Kim Jong Un is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. If he tries any funny business, he's gonna get crushed like an ant... and even China is sick of his bullshit.

I agree that he won't cause much wide scale damage but I can see him attacking a smaller neighbouring country. He's a sadistic SOB.

 

[DantheManFL]

Here we go.....

U.S. President Donald Trump took an aggressive posture toward Iran on Wednesday for test-firing a ballistic missile, with his national security adviser declaring “we are officially putting Iran on notice” for what he called a provocation.

The warning from Michael Flynn marked an abrupt change in policy and tone toward Iran from that of Trump’s predecessor, Democrat Barack Obama, who had negotiated a 2015 nuclear deal with Tehran.

It was Trump’s sharpest threat against a U.S adversary since taking office on Jan. 20, a warning that could foreshadow more aggressive economic and diplomatic measures against Iran.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/flynn-iran-missile-test_us_5892564ae4b0bf5206e5f266?q327v8s6brgxecdi&

 

[Benvolio]

We had a group of nations imposing sanctions on Iran to try to prevent their nuclear bombs. Then Obama caved, made a foolish deal with them, paid his muslim friends 150 billion or whatever and now they are back without missing a beat. Obama has us at square one again. If the supporter of terror develops nuclear weapons there may be a world war.

 

[Kabluey]

We had a group of nations imposing sanctions on Iran to try to prevent their nuclear bombs. Then Obama caved, made a foolish deal with them, paid his muslim friends 150 billion or whatever and now they are back without missing a beat. Obama has us at square one again. If the supporter of terror develops nuclear weapons there may be a world war.

In an alternate universe one might read that Trump has set all progress made by Obama back to the cold war.

 

[frankfrank]

He is actually setting the calendar back to 1066 (The Crusades).

 

[Kulindahr]

Who knows, maybe his talk of China will see a South China Sea war.
The Philippines have a particularly unstable leader, and China has been expanding its naval capabilities, while Trump's been threatening sanctions to punish Chinese manufacturing.

Trump needs to learn subtle. Rather than punishing Chinese manufacturing, he ought to lower income taxes for corporations with their factories in the Americas, lower them further for those with their factories in North America, and further for those with their factories in the U.S. (with penalties if the savings aren't spent on one of two things: lower prices, or bringing more jobs into these favored zones).