I didn't know this, if you are fat just starve often ...

[SeaCore]

Are you serious? So, trying to be healthy is flaunting privilege?

No, no, that's not what they're saying at all.

Offthewall is shifting the conversation to talk about the societally motivated component of the obesity issue that is often under-addressed. I don't think the conversation has naturally flowed to this talking point so it's a bit jarring—but I don't believe offthewall is at all claiming that talking health or being healthy is flaunting privilege. Why would you think that's a position they'd hold?

 

[gsdx]

The reason the moon causes tides is not because it is pulling onto the water. It causes the tides because one side of the earth is pulled onto by the moon's gravity more than the other side due to distance, causing a slight bulge of the earth on the side that is closer to the moon.

I think you should calm down a bit before replying again. You seem really angry about this.

I am not angry. I'm surprised that you refuse to accept scientific fact as presented in your own 'proof'. Allow me to be more specific. This is from your link:

Tidal forces on the side of Earth closest to the Moon pull material (mostly water) toward the Moon.

The moon's gravity is weak, about 1/6th of Earth's gravity. Still, it is strong enough to affect Earth in one noticeable way, and that is tides. The deformation of the Earth itself is minuscule. It is solid, after all. Water, being fluid, is much more flexible reacts much more noticeably than solid rock. It is the water that bulges and not the Earth. If it was the Earth that was bulging as you propose, there would be no tides since the oceans would remain relative to the shore.

This is stuff you should have learnt in grade school science. That and a bit of common sense.

As for your question about feeling lighter when the moon is overhead? No, I don't, and nobody else does. But they are, in fact, lighter, but the weight changed is negligible. Even bathroom scales wouldn't be able to measure it. Now, if I were the size of the Atlantic Ocean...

 

[Alnitak]

I am not angry. I'm surprised that you refuse to accept scientific fact as presented in your own 'proof'. Allow me to be more specific. This is from your link:



The moon's gravity is weak, about 1/6th of Earth's gravity. Still, it is strong enough to affect Earth in one noticeable way, and that is tides. The deformation of the Earth itself is minuscule. It is solid, after all. Water, being fluid, is much more flexible reacts much more noticeably than solid rock. It is the water that bulges and not the Earth. If it was the Earth that was bulging as you propose, there would be no tides since the oceans would remain relative to the shore.

This is stuff you should have learnt in grade school science. That and a bit of common sense.

As for your question about feeling lighter when the moon is overhead? No, I don't, and nobody else does. But they are, in fact, lighter, but the weight changed is negligible. Even bathroom scales wouldn't be able to measure it. Now, if I were the size of the Atlantic Ocean...

In the early Earth, the tides were 1000 ft high. The waves would lap at Roanoke, Virginia, at high tide, and flood most everything east of the Mississippi except the Appalachian plateau.

 

[Telstra]

because fasting is good for you,
i don't need to worry about snacks or food anymore when going out
Just water or coffee will do.

 

[Telstra]

^ But not one single link to back up your claims/opinions. I had to Google the benefits of the 'diet' myself (and EVERY site I read claimed it to be a diet), and then I Googled the dangers. In my opinion, the dangers far outweighed the benefits.

By the way, your moon 'reality' is wrong. Your 'myth' is the truth, even by the article you linked to. You should have read it before you posted it.

cannot remember if i have posted this.
I don't do "claims". I learn and judge ....

 

[gsdx]

In the early Earth, the tides were 1000 ft high. The waves would lap at Roanoke, Virginia, at high tide, and flood most everything east of the Mississippi except the Appalachian plateau.

The moon was considerably closer then. It would have been a scary sight in the night sky.

As far as intermittent fasting is concerned, virtually all of the studies done on it involved overweight or obese adults. Very little has been done with 'normal' adults, and none with children. All of the benefits mentioned above pertain to overweight adults. People are constantly coming up with new 'benefits', but they are also coming up with new dangers.

The one thing that virtually everyone agrees with is that it is a diet and that all of the benefits ascribed to it are health benefits of overweight people who have lost weight by the diet, but those benefits can also be ascribed to any diet through which people have lost unhealthy excess weight.

 

[peeonme]

Oh, ok.

I refuse to believe that our mammalian ancestors ate 3 meals a day. It is a cultural conception. Nothing bad about it by itself. However, what happened is the world today has an abundance of cheap food. Our bodies simply aren't built to take in so much cheap processed foods. Especially multiple times a day. Hence, the obesity epidemic is rampant nowadays. For the first time in our history, most people are now overweight or obese. And they can't stop eating.

I refuse to believe, those four words are the killer for learning. I have no clue as to how often our ancestors ate, I assume that they did it when they were hungry and were lucky enough to have food. A look ate human physiology taking in to account how long it takes our bodies to digest food and how soon after that the hunger cycle starts might be something to take in to account.

 

[Dominus]

I refuse to believe, those four words are the killer for learning. I have no clue as to how often our ancestors ate, I assume that they did it when they were hungry and were lucky enough to have food. A look ate human physiology taking in to account how long it takes our bodies to digest food and how soon after that the hunger cycle starts might be something to take in to account.

And yet, some here claim that eating once a day would cause diabetes and you are fine with it?

For the first time in our history, there is an overabundance of food available. Are people on here actually saying that our ancestors in the near past that didn't have the overabundance of food were all type 2 diabetics?

Our hunter and gatherer ancestors ate when there was food available. This meant they were designed to go through intervals of not eating. This is why our biology has a mechanism that utilizes stored body fat as a fuel source. It's called ketosis. And it's also why fasting is perfectly natural. So, I don't know why some believe that intermittent fasting causes diabetes.

As for my personal experience with it, as I have said several times already, intermittent fasting has done me a lot of good. My doctors agree with it. For the first time in 20 years, I'm not suffering from several auto-immune diseases. For the first time in 20 years, I'm not having any diarrhea. I'm off of all meds. And yes, my doctor is closely monitoring me. I had blood drawn and saw my doctor last week and he said everything is perfect. Again, this was accomplished without any meds. Even my lactose intolerance has gone away. I can eat cheese and drink milk without any problem. I have more energy than ever before to work out. My muscle gain in the last 6 months is amazing. I got my husband on board with it the last 3 months and he has made significant progress with his muscle gain. He tells me he has more energy than ever before. And he's not even hungry anymore during the fasting periods. His body has adjusted its rhythm. He was lean before and now he is getting even more lean. And he is gaining weight, actually. He's gained about 5-7 pounds of lean mass. He is also being monitored by his doctor. So far, his test results are still coming back perfect.

And again, let me be clear. I'm not talking about restricting calories here. I'm talking about time restriction. We skip breakfast and lunch. About 16 hours of fasting. Then in the remaining 8 hours, we eat all the calories we need. For me, I eat about 2200-2500 calories. We do this 4-5 days a week.

If anything, I wish I had found out about this years ago. I love the fact that I don't have to run to the bathroom 4-5 times a day anymore. I love the fact that my joints aren't hurting anymore. Or that I have to be on prescription meds to keep my cholesterol and BG levels down. I love the fact that I don't have to keep an EpiPen with me everywhere I go anymore. All my food allergies have gone away completely. My feet aren't hurting anymore. My quality of life has definitely increased in the last 6 months.

Yesterday, husband and I went to Chichen Itza (chicken pizza). It was an all day thing. Before 6 months ago, I would have hesitated knowing I'd have to ask them to stop several times for me to do #2 because of my IBS. This was always the case every time I traveled. But yesterday, we went without a problem. I did my morning #2 and I was set for the rest of the day.

Edit.

Actually, I don't want to talk about this anymore. This is my last post in this thread.

 

[gsdx]

So, I don't know why some believe that intermittent fasting causes diabetes.

The 'some' I referred to were medical experts and medical websites. I told you earlier that you can do whatever the hell you want. Just don't condemn me or anyone else here for not doing it.

 

[Dominus]

The 'some' I referred to were medical experts and medical websites. I told you earlier that you can do whatever the hell you want. Just don't condemn me or anyone else here for not doing it.

When did I condemn you? I have even said several times (just go back through the thread to see it) that if it's not for you then don't do it. Very early in the thread, I even said don't do it if you're not comfortable with it.

You keep attacking me for bringing up my personal experience into this. Why? I can speak for myself. And I bring my husband into this because we share everything together. But I'm not going to pretend to know what other people feel or think about it. So, I'm not going to speak for others. You keep attacking me bringing myself up as some really bad thing. Again, I can only speak for myself.

And in my experience, for the first time in years I managed to cure myself of every health issues I'd been suffering for the last 20 years. And this time, there was no medication involved. The only change was the timing of when I eat. And I even said this several times in this thread, that it's my personal experience under close observation by my doctor. So, why do you keep trying to make it out to be that it is so bad that I bring my personal experience into this?

But I said in my previous post, I don't want to talk about this anymore. I think everything I wanted to say have been said.

 

[offthewall14420]

Are you serious? So, trying to be healthy is flaunting privilege?

Yes, being able to eat one meal a day voluntarily versus being a kid with poor parents and only eating once a day at school. Yes, that is privilege.
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/invisible-problem-kids-who-only-eat-at-school-198389315844

Nice art in your so-called research article about fasting. I'm sure this is just all an attempt to reach out instead of making yourselves feel superior. (sarcasm).

 

[Latimer]

Is this the most successful Telstra thread ever?

 

[offthewall14420]

"The diet itself can be regarded as a high-fat diet, with around 75 percent of calories derived from fats. In contrast, around 20 percent and 5 percent of calories are gained from proteins and carbohydrates, respectively," https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php

75% of calories in fat is crazy. You might as well be drinking a 1/5 of Vodka a day because your liver is getting fat.

Then there's this gem:
"However, longer-term adherence to the ketogenic diet does not appear to yield great benefit."https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php

 

[Alistair]

Y'all should just agree to disagree and save the fustration for something more important.

 

[Latimer]

I fast, but I am not on a ketogenic diet. Only one of my friends who fasts follows a ketogenic diet, and he does so only periodically.

 

[Telstra]

ya'll should just engage in fisticuffs already tbh

No need the that because :

 

[Dominus]

I fast, but I am not on a ketogenic diet. Only one of my friends who fasts follows a ketogenic diet, and he does so only periodically.

LOL exactly what I was thinking. At this point, they're just doing strawman arguments. I have stated several times fasring does not necessarily equal calorie restriction or ketogenic. It's like they're not even trying to understand what fasting means.

 

[offthewall14420]

^ You're the one who initially cited that particular article. Maybe you didn't actually read it.

 

[offthewall14420]

It is not a strawman argument to say when 70% of the population is obese there's something larger at work (pun).

If fat people are defective, then the US is producing humans at a 70% reject rate. Shit like this doesn't exist in capitalism unless someone else is getting rich. It's a rigged system, not a matter of individual choice.

There's money to make off of getting people fat, then making even more convincing them their "diet" is something new and miraculous.

 

[offthewall14420]

Americans need to be more cultured. https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/07/science/who-is-fat-it-depends-on-culture.html

In non-Western cultures, fatness often was associated with high status. Polynesian kings were frequently quite fat, while the girls of Banyankole in East Africa were fattened in preparation for marriage like so many Christmas geese. Dr. Watson of Harvard said that when he began doing field work in Hong Kong in the 1960's, women who were slender would not have been marriageable. Neither would highly muscular young men.

''Men who were heavily muscled were considered the lowest of laborers,'' he said. ''They were the ones who had to lift backbreaking loads for a living, and their prospects were dim.''

To the common folk, however, the lure of portliness beckoned. ''On balance, until fairly recently many societies put considerable value in plumpness,'' said Dr. Peter N. Stearns, the provost of George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., and the author of ''Fat History: Bodies and Beauty in the Modern West.''

''To be a good 20 to 40 pounds above what we would now consider desirable was seen as a sign of prosperity,'' Dr. Stearns said. ''Thin people were regarded with suspicion, as ugly. To say that Cassius had a 'lean and hungry look' was not a compliment.''