I didn't know this, if you are fat just starve often ...

[Telstra]

Could you expand on what you mean by a 'cleansing phase'? That one kind of lost me.

Although I think it's worth noting that because our roles as hunters and gatherers has changed our eating habits may have to change in a way that optimizes cognitive processes since that is what matters more nowadays. Keep in mind I don't know much about the subject I'm just saying there could be other reasons for the various suggested eating habits. And there could be a relative aspect to this, that maybe different people's bodies evolved in ways that are optimized by different eating habits and that you've landed on yours.

according to Dr Fung,
old cells dies and eaten by Autophagy cells when you starve.
If you don't starve, old cells stays around in your body and could become cancerous ....

 

[offthewall14420]

IDK, It's like a battery with a lot of different variables. Then the battery can influence your mind with biohormonal warfare and altered slowing metabolism. It's like a one way valve. Starvation seems like the chemotherapy in that it attacks all the cells/your whole body instead of just the targeted areas (cancerous or fat).

Unintended consequences and good intentions... It sets off hormones to control the mind and that's bad enough if you're already neurotic.

Keeping all eating in an 8 hour period is optimal. I hate breakfast anyways.

 

[Dominus]

I'm at the gym with hubby right now. My next post will talk about myths and zombie myths. Stay tuned.

 

[offthewall14420]

What it all boils down to is the human need to feel superior to someone else. It's the last acceptable form of bigotry. I'm denying a Calvanist programming that places moral failings on all imperfections whether at fault or not... and the fact that it's so deeply ingrained in just about everyone in one way or another.

We'll be gone and dead in 100 years but fat is making a comeback. You're on the wrong side of history.

 

[Charon]

Lol at whathisface censoring his face.

 

[Dominus]

What it all boils down to is the human need to feel superior to someone else. It's the last acceptable form of bigotry. I'm denying a Calvanist programming that places moral failings on all imperfections whether at fault or not... and the fact that it's so deeply ingrained in just about everyone in one way or another.

We'll be gone and dead in 100 years but fat is making a comeback. You're on the wrong side of history.

As I said several posts ago, I did not start fasting to lose weight. My weight, in fact, has remained the same since I started fasting. I began fasting for health issues. I had a dozen different conditions, including diabetes, chronic foot pain, and regular anaphylactic reactions to nothing due to auto-immunity disorder, that were affecting my quality of life. After 20 years of many types of treatments they have put me through, fasting has cured me of all these conditions. It has even reversed my lactose intolerance. That last one really puzzles my doctors.

So, if you want to get fat and stay fat, more power to you. I don't care. All I know I haven't felt this great since what seemed like forever.

 

[Charon]

Yeah, I felt a lot better when I shed like 100 pounds. I'm still a fat fuck, but at least I don't take up two spaces when I ride the bus, or walk around with belly fat hanging out of my shirt anymore. I tried to lose more weight, but I've remained "stable" for quite a while now. I guess I'm just one of those dudes who were born to be overweight. Although I do feel that my above average height probably adds some extra pounds on the weight scale.

One thing's for sure, I had to invest a hefty amount of cash to replace the clothes that was way too big for me.

 

[Dominus]

Ok, let's talk about myths and zombie myths.

Myth:

Did you know that the daddy long leg spider is the most venomous spider in the world and could kill an adult human in seconds? The only thing prevents it doing so is its fangs are not big enough to penetrate our skin.

Reality:

What a load of nonsense. And yet, most people at some point believe this myth.

Myth:

The moon causes the tides by pulling onto the water.

Reality:

Do you feel lighter when the moon is directly over head? No, of course not. The reason the moon causes the tides is by causing a slight bulge on the Earth because the side of the earth that is closer to the moon is affected more by the moon's gravity than the side of the earth that is far away.

Myth:

Cardio exercise will make you lose weight.

Reality:

You cannot out-exercise a bad diet.

Myths are untrue things that people believe. But once someone points it out, people will stop believing in the myth because it really doesn't matter to them.

But there is another kind of myth out there. I call them zombie myths. If you stop for a minute to think about the myth, it doesn't make sense at all. But for some reason, people will bitch, moan, and fight to keep the myth alive. I call them zombie myths. They should be dead but for some reason they keep on walking around.

Zombie myth:

Global warming means it will never get cold again and that there shouldn't be any snow around. Therefore, snow and cold days disproves global warming.

Reality:

Tyson puts it best. Imagine a kid walking with his dog on a leash. The dog may be going forward and backward. But the kid is moving in one direction. If the kid is walking east and sometimes the dog temporarily goes west, does this mean the kid is not walking east anymore? Of course not. Same with climate and weather. The weather may fluctuate and get cold, hot, cold, etc. But the climate is trending in a certain direction. And we know what that direction is. And yet, the myth of snow disproving global warming persists. At this point, it's a zombie myth.

Zombie myth:

Vaccines causes autism.

Reality:

Need I say more?

Zombie myth:

Skipping meals will put you in starvation mode and crash your metabolism.

Before I go to reality, please stop for a minute and think. What is a person's metabolism? Just think about it for a moment before you go on reading. Try to answer this to yourself. Just think for a moment, please.




Reality:

A person's metabolism is the total energy used by the body to remain in its current state. I'm sure there is a better definition out there, but this is the one that is off the top of my head. Think about it for a second. If your metabolism is suppose to crash if you skip a meal or two, does this mean your body temperature will drop below 90? Can you answer honestly what it means if your metabolism crashes? I bet you can't.

The fact of the matter is the human body is designed to go through periods of not eating. And it's called fasting, not starving. If you think skipping a meal or two means you're starving, you are in for a rude awakening if you ever truly starve for real.

When you are in a fasted state, the body will continue to use its storage of glycogen. Once it has depleted this storage of glycogen, it will switch to breaking down body fat into ketone bodies and begin using those for energy. Your metabolism will remain the same if not more efficient.


Zombie myth:

If you skip meals, your body will break down your muscle for food.

Reality:

The picture I posted of myself with my face blacked out proves that this is simply a myth. I gained all that muscle while leaning up at the same time by working out during my fasting. Sometimes, I fasted for 2 days straight without eating anything and workout. During these long term fasting state while working out, I always have plenty of energy and could lift more weights than I ever could before. I bench at 120% of my body weight while fasting.


And there is a reason why I call this last one a zombie myth. I can already sense people itching to blast me and defend this myth. Hence, it's a zombie myth. People will continue to believe that skipping meals will crash your metabolism and all kinds of bad things will happen.

This brings me to my last point. When I was in high school, I was always told by my chemistry teacher that breakfast was the most important meal of the day and we should all eat a huge breakfast. Otherwise, the body will think we are starving and will begin to store fat and make us fatter. But if we eat a huge breakfast, our metabolism will be on fire and it will make us thin. That's why she always ate a big breakfast. By the way, she was not a small person.

My point is there is something unique about zombie myths. Even though in the face of contradicting evidence, people will continue to defend these myths no matter what. These myths will continue to live on and on and on regardless of what happens. Hence, they are zombies.

 

[PrinceCory]

It's not a diet. It's a lifestyle.



I did not begin to fast to lose weight. Actually, I'm still the same weight as when I started. I did it because of my health issues. Fasting 4-5 days a week has made all my health issues go away. Then I began to notice my energy level was off the roof. So in the last 6 months I worked out like crazy and gained tons of muscle. My visceral fat has virtually gone away completely, hence my waist size went down several inches.

Again, it is not a diet. It is a lifestyle. If you think it is a diet, don't begin. Just continue whatever you're doing.

Did you start by just fasting a couple days a week? Or did you just jump in to fasting 4 - 5 days a week? What is your consumption like on the 2 or 3 days you do not fast?


...asking for a friend. LOL

 

[Dominus]

Did you start by just fasting a couple days a week? Or did you just jump in to fasting 4 - 5 days a week? What is your consumption like on the 2 or 3 days you do not fast?


...asking for a friend. LOL

It is different for everyone.

For me, I was addicted to food. To be specific, I had cravings for fried chicken. Ask any old timers here. In the past, I have talked about cravings for KFC.

See, there are two hungers. There is the physical hunger which everyone is well aware of. You get that hunger pangs when you don't eat. Believe it or not, that's easy to get over. There is another kind of hunger that is a thousand times worse than physical hunger. I call it emotional hunger. It is our emotional need to eat. For me, it was really really hard to deal with the emotional hunger.

Do we tell alcoholics to drink less? NO. We tell them to stop drinking. I approached it with the same attitude. I went without food for 3 days. Just water. Plenty of water. I did this several times before I had my emotional hunger under control.

Nowadays, 4-5 days in the week I eat once a day. Dinner with my husband. This allows me to appreciate the taste and texture of food a lot more. I also eat a lot during my one meal.

I've been on this self imposed fasting program for about 6 months. And all my medical conditions have gone away completely. I'm guessing autophagy has done its thing and healed me of all my conditions.

Again, it is not a fad diet. It is a life style. If you think about it, it is not radical at all. Evolution did not mold us to have 3 meals a day with 20 snacks in between. We are built to go thru fasting periods, between hunts and gatherings.

My husband several months ago also jumoed on board just to see how it works. He says he has so much energy nowadays. And he's gained more muscle than ever before working out while fasting.

To me, this proves that I'm not some mutant. He is white and has never had any medical condition like mine. He really likes how much energy it gives him. And why not? Using energy from our stored fat is the most efficient way at utilizing energy. Fat is very dense in energy. You can literally burn fat to have very hot fire. During fasted state, the body uses fat as energy through ketosis.

Anyway, in short, I started out by focusing on ridding myself of my dependence on my cravings. I did this by water fasting for 3-4 days at a time. After that, 4-5 days of the week I eat once a day during dinner time. And my husband cooks for us the healthiest meals you can imagine.

 

[Dominus]

^ I should add that both of us have experienced an unexpected (positive) side effect. For some reason, consistent and regular fasting has jacked up our sex drive. Probably due to increased testosterone production, which would also explain the muscle gain.

 

[Latimer]

^
No surprise. Fasting increases Testosterone and Growth Hormone.

As an introduction please watch this:

As I've posted before, I've been intermittent fasting for a few years. I've always been lean and muscular, so I've never done it to loose weight.

I started it for general health and muscle building, and found that fasting increased my energy and mental focus as well. I go for 18 to 24 hours a day, at least 5 days a week. The other days I'll generally do 12 to 16.

 

[Telstra]

Is fasting cause bad breath?
because bad breath smell is from your mouth & stomach right ?

 

[Dominus]

^ The thing is I bet most people here still believe the zombie myths I mentioned above, hence people still refer to fasting as "starving".

 

[offthewall14420]

Sounds like those myths and realities are based entirely upon your own experiences and pseudo-science. .

As Hermain Cain said, "I don't have facts to back this up"

 

[Dominus]

Sounds like those myths and realities are based entirely upon your own experiences and pseudo-science. .

As Hermain Cain said, "I don't have facts to back this up"

Can you be more specific? Which ones don't you agree with?

 

[Latimer]

There are a number of studies out there--Delauer. Berg and Fung cite them in their videos--that refute the "zombie myths". Not pseudo-science.

 

[offthewall14420]

"Cardio exercise will make you lose weight."
"Skipping meals will put you in starvation mode and crash your metabolism."
"If you skip meals, your body will break down your muscle for food."

There's all sorts of conflicting information. Then you throw in a truly proven false statement, 'vaccines cause autism', or global warming or spiders to make your claims seem more reasonable.

 

[Dominus]

"Cardio exercise will make you lose weight."
"Skipping meals will put you in starvation mode and crash your metabolism."
"If you skip meals, your body will break down your muscle for food."

There's all sorts of conflicting information. Then you throw in a truly proven false statement, 'vaccines cause autism', or global warming or spiders to make your claims seem more reasonable.

You're still being very vague. What part of what I said don't you agree with? Can you be more descriptive?

 

[offthewall14420]

Those are not myths because you declare them to be myths with the only proof being your own experience.