I do not believe in sexual orientation.

[hotatlboi]

I was trying to be philosophical.

I have no problem with a philosophical discussion about sexuality. But I don't see how proposing we eliminate all common terms referring to that would help philosophical discussion. That would seem to make things more difficult to discuss imo.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

I have no problem with a philosophical discussion about sexuality. But I don't see how proposing we eliminate all common terms referring to that would help philosophical discussion. That would seem to make things more difficult to discuss imo.

It's not difficult if you understand the concepts. Our daily lives have become so simplistic in our thinking especially in American society that we have mentally become so "machine" orientated in how we interpret things.

If I were your friend in person, I would use the term gay I wouldn't want to confuse you. People asked why I say what I say, and I stated the thoughts that processed through my head why without using common "language."

I never proposed that we eliminate the terms that some feel comfortable with using. Who I am to dictate how people should think or operate? I believe in a free society.

 

[hotatlboi]

It's not difficult if you understand the concepts.

On the contrary, if you discuss everything related to sexuality in abstract concepts without any common definitions, then it becomes very difficult because everyone will have differing views on things and there will be no common shared understanding. Like, you have your ideas on sexuality, others have different ideas, etc but we all know what "gay" means. We all know what "sexual orientation" means. So that provides some common plane of understanding from which to branch out into a more philosophical discussion of the topic.

 

[Esquire0399]

Hmm... Okay...

Some men are attracted solely to men. (sounds an awful lot like homosexual/gay)
Some women are attracted solely to women. (sounds an awful lot like homosexual/lesbian)
Some men are attracted solely to women. (sounds an awful lot like heterosexual/straight)
Some women are attracted solely to men. (sounds an awful lot like heterosexual/straight)
Some people are attracted to both men and women. (sounds an awful lot like bisexual)

All people have the ability to acknowledge that a person of the sex they are not attracted to have physically appealing qualities, so a man attracted to solely to men is capable of discerning whether or not a woman is physically appealing. This ability does not alter the fact that the man attracted to other men is, in fact, attracted solely to men. It only acknowledges that he possesses the sense of sight and ability of reason. Hence, the term homosexual or gay most certainly still applies to him because he does not have a desire to be with said female in either sexual or romantic terms. Similarly, a person who is attracted to both males and females, regardless of capacity of attraction towards which, is rather well described as being bisexual.

The fact is, while these terms may be labels, they also serve incredibly well to describe who we are as sexual and romantic beings and, most importantly, they describe the overwhelming majority of human kind. Are there outliers? Of course. Such is the nature of, well, nature. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying because I'm not, according to you, as complex of a person as you are (very arrogant statement and one without very much basis at all, by the way). The point is, if you're a man and you like other men, but not women, the label gay works well. If you like men AND women, even if you like one more than the other, you're bisexual. Because there are only 2 sexes (not genders, as sex is a biological descriptor that can only be changed through complicated surgery and even then only to a certain extent, and gender is social and can be quite flexible) the issue is not nearly as complicated as people enjoy trying to make it.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Hmm... Okay...

Some men are attracted solely to men. (sounds an awful lot like homosexual/gay)
Some women are attracted solely to women. (sounds an awful lot like homosexual/lesbian)
Some men are attracted solely to women. (sounds an awful lot like heterosexual/straight)
Some women are attracted solely to men. (sounds an awful lot like heterosexual/straight)
Some people are attracted to both men and women. (sounds an awful lot like bisexual)

All people have the ability to acknowledge that a person of the sex they are not attracted to have physically appealing qualities, so a man attracted to solely to men is capable of discerning whether or not a woman is physically appealing. This ability does not alter the fact that the man attracted to other men is, in fact, attracted solely to men. It only acknowledges that he possesses the sense of sight and ability of reason. Hence, the term homosexual or gay most certainly still applies to him because he does not have a desire to be with said female in either sexual or romantic terms. Similarly, a person who is attracted to both males and females, regardless of capacity of attraction towards which, is rather well described as being bisexual.

The fact is, while these terms may be labels, they also serve incredibly well to describe who we are as sexual and romantic beings and, most importantly, they describe the overwhelming majority of human kind. Are there outliers? Of course. Such is the nature of, well, nature. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying because I'm not, according to you, as complex of a person as you are (very arrogant statement and one without very much basis at all, by the way). The point is, if you're a man and you like other men, but not women, the label gay works well. If you like men AND women, even if you like one more than the other, you're bisexual. Because there are only 2 sexes (not genders, as sex is a biological descriptor that can only be changed through complicated surgery and even then only to a certain extent, and gender is social and can be quite flexible) the issue is not nearly as complicated as people enjoy trying to make it.

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what expect

but WHAT?

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

it simple

human a male ans a female what make copys

cultures in borders taday include past 3000 years twats fa populations rule by twats make more copy twats

not all humanity of these cultures an borders

when internet invent magic wand lot folk need food water whiles da cultures jack off their tongues while their butts deposit ins their bank accounts keep um from a bes da bored

 

[Esquire0399]

2.) I'm not sure we all know or agree with what "gay" means. I've certainly disagreed with a handful plenty over that topic throughout the years.

Wow, I've honestly only ever heard on definition of gay. What are some of the other definitions you've heard? Now I'm really curious.

 

[hotatlboi]

2.) I'm not sure we all know or agree with what "gay" means. I've certainly disagreed with a handful plenty over that topic throughout the years.

I'm speaking in terms of "sexual orientation" since that was the definition that the OP opposed. Simply, it means that you are attracted to the same sex.

I'm not talking about all the other characteristics that it's common to associate with gay people.

I think what you might be saying is that there are sometimes false implications brought up when talking about someone who is gay, and I would agree with that.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

dat no work too

just get males ta deal with their cock save world more toon spin lot words ta fit their ( excuses )

 

[erobert]

THANK YOU someone saw I was trying to be philosophical. I was hoping he would catch on to that but he didn't lol. It's ok I don't always grasp everything either. But you know what, if people want me to refer to them as gay because that gives them the security of their identity by all means I will try to make that person happy by doing so. Lol if you aren't interested in women, it's that plain and simple. Nice to meet you, you are a unique individual.

Thanks Kris, I've been on this site a for while. I agree with what other posters say; We use labels for everything to define who we are. If people want to identify as gay or bi that's fine. I don't think everything is black and white and rather shades of grey. Gay men happen to fall on the darker (or lighter side depending on which way your headed) of the spectrum.

Everyone's right in this thread to a degree.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Thanks Kris, I've been on this site a for while. I agree with what other posters say; We use labels for everything to define who we are. If people want to identify as gay or bi that's fine. I don't think everything is black and white and rather shades of grey. Gay men happen to fall on the darker (or lighter side depending on which way your headed) of the spectrum.

Everyone's right in this thread to a degree.

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get real job save millions folk waste millions money time life and planet too

ans save futures lot of piss mean NOTHIN

here simple fuckin ritual

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Ya take this folk be ya whateva
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[Beachguyj]

What makes you think anyone cares what you believe in? Sexual orientation exists. You seem to have more than one screw loose.

 

[DigitalFudge]

 

[frankfrank]

If you prefer facing east when you have sex, THAT is a sexual orientation! (Centuries ago, as I understand it, maps used to be "oriented" with East toward the top...)

 

[Beachguyj]

If you prefer facing east when you have sex, THAT is a sexual orientation! (Centuries ago, as I understand it, maps used to be "oriented" with East toward the top...)

Maybe that's where they got oriental

 

[andy12]

Why have labels? Why limit our capacity to explore our sexuality? I firmly believe we live in such a sexually repressive society due to our social structure that has set limits and regulations that cause us to develop these irrational mentalities.

Agreed. Societies that truly tolerate homosexuality don't have a word for it.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Agreed. Societies that truly tolerate homosexuality don't have a word for it.

actualings dat true

but no want put lots countrys professions out work or spoils theyr shiny hisotry books or all da labels males excuse umselfs ta go practice theirs male cultures HOHOHO

nice internet move on not repeat same crap as 10000 years ago

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worlds educates got be realllllllllllllllllll SLOWWWWWWWWWWW

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happy or whateva

 

[MMMonsterBoy]

Sexual orientation is too complicated to sum it up as 'let's be free to explore and fuck any and everything.' There are physiological responses, emotional responses, and many other factors that contribute as to why you are aroused by whatever it is that arouses you. Society does play a role in this as well, but enough to make people confine to their labels for the sake of it? I'm sure there are some people, but for the most part these labels just help people understand what they desire, but not necessarily determine.

I like guys because I am gay vs I am gay because I like guys...

 

[Esquire0399]

Agreed. Societies that truly tolerate homosexuality don't have a word for it.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Examples?

 

[asu1117]

Why do you think people spell their names so funny? ("Cyndi"? or...."Kris"? )

Because that's how their parents spelled it on the birth certificate.