I do not believe in sexual orientation.

[Kulindahr]

I don't want my man thinking about a woman in a sexual manner. I am too selfish to allow that. But it depends on how cute you are and how deep your love goes for me.

I call that insecurity on top of deep selfishness. You don't want to love someone, you want to own him.

 

[The White Stripe]

I don't want my man thinking about a woman in a sexual manner. I am too selfish to allow that. But it depends on how cute you are and how deep your love goes for me.

Would you be pissed if I was thinking of another man? I think you are being unreasonable. Straight men think of other woman and girls are fine with it, maybe a little annoyed, but nothing more.

So I don't see why it bothers you that bad.

Your lose though. Between you and me I'm hung like fucking horse; just ask anyone on here who saw my nudes.


jkjk...but seriously. haha

 

[andy12]

Tell that to the gay hockey team in this city and they'll kick your ass

You have a very poor understanding of what gay means, dude. To be gay means you're a dude who likes dudes, exclusively. That's it. It has nothing to do with effeminacy or masculinity.

Okay, I have decades of research to show this (and a pair of working ears and eyes), you have what exactly?

 

[andy12]

Yes, but there's still a lot of gay men who are very masculine. The label is expansive to those men, too. They're not bisexuals.

I've yet to really see that myself. Gay men tend to believe that "masculine" is whatever they happen to fancy.

 

[andy12]

After this I'm not going to further this discussion because you accept your experiences and what you read, even though you haven't provided any actual proof of any of it, but you won't consider anyone else's.

You come off not wanting to actually discuss anything, you come off that you want to be the right one in the discussion. It was fun.

I suppose that you can see that way. I don't base my discussions on just personal experience, but actual data. It's unfortunate that most people don't read books anymore though. If you are [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Gay-Straight-Reason-Why-Orientation/dp/0199737673/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296283930&sr=8-1"]interested[/ame] [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Queer-Science-Abuse-Research-Homosexuality/dp/0262621193/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1296283930&sr=8-5"]though...[/ame]

 

[bwonderrednow]

Would you be pissed if I was thinking of another man? I think you are being unreasonable. Straight men think of other woman and girls are fine with it, maybe a little annoyed, but nothing more.

So I don't see why it bothers you that bad.

Your lose though. Between you and me I'm hung like fucking horse; just ask anyone on here who saw my nudes.


jkjk...but seriously. haha

No, I wouldn't be pissed if you were looking at another guy because I can compete with a man. I can't compete with a woman.

There are plenty of big dicks in this world, but what matters most to me is the face and personality it's attached to. Besides, big doesn't always mean better.

 

[The White Stripe]

No, I wouldn't be pissed if you were looking at another guy because I can compete with a man. I can't compete with a woman.

There are plenty of big dicks in this world, but what matters most to me is the face and personality it's attached to. Besides, big doesn't always mean better.

So woman make you insecure? Am I wrong? Why do you think you can't compete with a woman?

I like to think I have a nice face by the way; lol.

 

[bwonderrednow]

I call that insecurity on top of deep selfishness. You don't want to love someone, you want to own him.

I'm not insecure, but I am selfish for my well-being and quite picky about those I want to spend my time with. I don't want to own him, but there are certain rules and regulations to every relationship. Otherwise, it's anything but...

 

[bwonderrednow]

So woman make you insecure? Am I wrong? Why do you think you can't compete with a woman?

I like to think I have a nice face by the way; lol.

You are hilarious and steadfast!

I don't have a woman's anatomy. Now stop flirting with me. LOL

Is that you in your avy?

 

[bwonderrednow]

Is there something wrong with you? Get a grip.

He's clearly a troll. He's probably a homophobic in disguise. He makes absolutely no sense and knows it.

 

[The White Stripe]

You are hilarious and steadfast!

I don't have a woman's anatomy. Now stop flirting with me. LOL

Is that you in your avy?

I'm no flirting. I don't flirt. I get flirted with.

 

[yummylongsword]

Buy a dictionary.

'Sexual orientation' is not a label. It is a human condition. Not believing in sexual orientation is like not believing in left-handedness, or tall people, or short people, or people with red hair, or people with bumps on their noses, or. . .

I'm pretty sure he's saying that sexuality is not definite: straight, or gay. People aren't either tall or short, they're all in the middle. Nobody is only capable of using only one hand, people have a certain amount of dexterity of both. And there aren't just two hair colors, there's a whole spectrum of colors.

People aren't just gay, or straight. They're not even just "bi", half and half. I pretty much consider myself gay because I'm almost never turned on by a woman, and I lack romantic interest in girls that I meet. However, I'm not saying it couldn't happen... I could fall for a girl and think she was totally hot. I'm afraid of what would happen if that DID happen, and everyone went "I thought you were gay!" and then hated me from then on.

 

[Kulindahr]

I suppose that you can see that way. I don't base my discussions on just personal experience, but actual data. It's unfortunate that most people don't read books anymore though. If you are interested though...

How about a link that's useful?

I've read a number of books about being gay. Some are hilarious, some are sound. Without being able to read at least chapter five of that one, it's of no use to us.

 

[andy12]

Is there something wrong with you? Get a grip.

Please read the full paragraph. This isn't the first time in this thread someone has been able to do that and then puts words in my mouth. Thanks!

 

[andy12]

How about a link that's useful?

I've read a number of books about being gay. Some are hilarious, some are sound. Without being able to read at least chapter five of that one, it's of no use to us.

What do you mean? You don't have a library?

 

[andy12]

I base my opinions on experience because that is what is real. That to me that is 'real data'. But if want to base your opinion on 1 or 2 books that you read, that's fine. But I'm not going to take them as definite just because you say they are.

You shouldn't. But you should read them.

Anecdotal evidence unsupported by anything else isn't much though.

 

[andy12]

He's clearly a troll. He's probably a homophobic in disguise. He makes absolutely no sense and knows it.

Here's the thing. If it makes no sense, maybe you're just not understanding it right. That's always a possibility, especially when you're blinded by hatred spewing things like "waste of time and energy" and being biphobic.

 

[andy12]

I didn't put words in your mouth, I quoted you. Big difference!

No, you misquoted me by not providing the context which shows you just don't understand. I raised the point that dismissing masculine/bisexual/whatever men as not really masculine was akin to bullying by seeking to diminish or deny who they really are (ie. bullying). Here's the exchange in full:

Me: Telling masculine men to be fine with being effeminate is hardly different from the bullying gay men to be more masculine.

Someone else: What a ridiculous statement. It is very different, asking someone to be fine with something is completely different then bullying gay men for any reason.

Me: Okay, not bullying. But asking gay men to be fine with being a tad more masculine? You know, don't be such a girly man. That is the same thing as dismissing masculine men's innate way of being and expecting them to be something they are not. And calling them self-hating if they don't.

The idea is that there are certain expectations. Because gay men have dicks, they are held to masculine standards by society. They aren't bullied because they like cock but because they're effeminate, ie. they don't live up to how men "should" be. On the other hand, masculine men don't meet the effeminate standards of many gays. Gays here have said that they don't like that sort of masculine and they think it's a show (this very thread). Okay, well look in the mirror and try to see that telling a masculine men how to be is like others telling you how to be.

This is all stems from the simplistic label others have espoused that "gay = liking dick." If that works for you, great. But forcing your labels on other people is not right. Telling them that they're self-hating because they don't accept them, even if you provide a lengthy explanation, is just wrong.

I've stated why I don't feel the labels don't fit me. All I got for opening up was "you're a waste of time and energy" and "take your bisexual ass to the nearest all female message board and try your luck." And I'm the bad guy? Nothing but pure hatred.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

luck animal and plant kingdom not got cultures issues

 

[andy12]

Like I said. You're right, we're all wrong. I get it.

There's no shame in reading.