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I really do feel let down by JUB.

i never thought i'd see mod-bashing again. its not like we don't hear why so-and-so doesn't like the decision a mod made, what, EVERY DAY?

having a public fight with someone who has been asked to help moderate the bullshit that most of the members here perpetuate, is not the smartest or most productive use of anyone's time. they volunteer because they were asked to and wanted to help out- not because they wanted to listen to people bitch that they never make the right decision about anything (and, depending on who you ask, it is NEVER the right decision, no matter which mod made it)

so grow up, don't cry wolf, report something if it is an obvious violation of the TOS for the site, and recognize that most people are human and are not here to please you all of the time
 
Just to add to the preceding melee, I would make the following points.

Every Mod here has at leat one Forum which they oversee - I have 2, albeit "lower traffic" ones. The expectation that I place on myself (and I believe this is common to all Mods) is that I look at every post made in those Forums just to make sure everything is OK. In addition to that, I am also a Mod at emptyclosets - I don't read every post there...I don't have time, plus (fortunately) there are other very capable Mods who share the work of keeping an eye on things.

I also read every post in the Moderator Discussion and Post report Forums here (and at EC). In case anyone is wondering why I don't post in the Forums here as much as I used to - it's because I don't have time...and with mornings (before I go to work) and evenings (after I come home) I generally spend a minimum of two hours, usually considerably more, wading through posts here and at EC. My post count at both sites is still steadily increasing - but largely because of addressing Mod issues - NOT from the pleasure of posting on the open Forums.

Alex - to get to your beef - I know you mean well, and a large number of your post reports are valid and do get quickly addressed (as you said yourself). Nevertheless, despite all the good intentions, there can quite frequently be posts/threads which will happily work in more than one forum - in which case (I believe in the "gently, gently" school of Modding - ie "If it ain't broke, don't fix it") I will normally leave them where they are - and most of the other Mods think the same way.

(NB - for anyone who now wants to say - "but you weren't "gently, gently" with me, I'll say - well, even I have bad days where I get the shits - but I DO try to be even handed most of the time).

OK - so why don't I send a "courtesy" PM to the Post reporter to let them know? Well - it's usually because "I don't have bloody time and I should have been at work (earning a living) half an hour ago!" Sorry - but that's the reality. If I was a 130 wpm typist instead of the useless two fingered no hoper that I am, it might be different - but it ain't! I hope that answers the "why don't you do this" calls from others as well...

As regards the post which made Alex so unhappy, I will say this - and this is not meant as a criticism - just as an observation. There does get to be a time when people can become a little testy at having received innumerable post reports which simply (and a bit tersely) say "Wrong Forum" (especially if they could work in more than one and seem to be doing quite well where they are). There have also been occasions when we have received reports which read along the lines of "I reported this post yesterday but it hasn't been moved" - and, I'm sorry, but when we have discussed this in the Mod Forum and decided it IS OK where the (sometimes experienced) poster originally placed it - it does start to seem like someone is saying "you don't know your job".

I would also make the point that the Mod who posted a slightly impatient response did, subsequently, try and clarify their intent and make an apology for any slight that may have been perceived.

Alex - no-one in the Mod Squad wants to see you walk away from JUB in a fit of pique - and I hope this post may go some way toward explaining, to everyone, why there has been a little rancour (best forgotten) over this situation.

*EDIT*
Just as a final word - for those who might still think the Mods sit on their backsides and "do nothing" I will mention the fact that there is currently one thread in the Post Report forum, adressing a difference of opinion between two JUB members, which has now reached 35 posts by Mods detailing communications with (and mediation between) these members to try and reach a solution to this particular "sticking point".

The nice thing is that we'll all heave a collective sigh of relief when the problem is solved...
 
Joke time.

How many JUBbers does it take to admin the forums?

80,000. Six to admin, the rest to say "I could do that so much better."

I don't admin or mod, but oddly, my job has something in common with theirs. I have a job that EVERYBODY thinks is easy, and that EVERYBODY thinks they can do better than I can. I'm told both these things on an almost-daily basis. "Dude, anyone can do that." "You suck at this. If I were in charge..." Strange how few of them are willing to take the gig, though.

For mods and admins here and elsewhere:



Lex
 
Not to be rude here... but bashing a mod in public is not the best way to get them on your side
 
I really do feel let down by JUB.
That was your statement that started this thread.
I believe it is an honest assessment of your experience.
Your honesty is appreciated and respected.
Perhaps now that you have had your say,
you may want to find a place that fits better for you.
JUB is not for all of us. It is OK to leave.
Shep+
 
My simple answer ...

You may want to consider the fact that you're spending too much time on JUB. It's good to take a break every so often. And of course leaving the boards is your prerogative as well. Just don't make it more difficult for the rest of us who want to be here.

..|
 
Truthfully it sounds a little obsessive/compulsive.

In over two years of posting I've probably reported half a dozen posts.

I never expected the Mods to respond to me, because I figured they'd decide what the Admins would want done.
 
As a former mod in these here parts myself, I echo 100% what Centexfarmer and TriBi have said.

Being a mod is a thankless job, one for which nobody is paid. In addition, you get the extra added pleasure of being the butt of jokes, the recipient of venomous posts or PMs because you didn't do something a member wanted you to do, or thought you should do. Yet each and every one of the people I worked with as a mod on this site are the most dedicated to making this place a success.

You have no idea of the behind the scenes discussions that go on about post reports, member squabbles, and other assorted items that are dealt with on a daily basis. Nearly ALL of them are dealt with by committee, and there is nary a time when a mod would act unilaterally (some examples of when they WOULD are when an underager is uncovered or spam posts/threads).

So lay off the mods. They deserve our respect and support.
 
Mod bashing is in most forums, I think it's probably an authority thing. Usually I dislike authorities, but mods aren't like cops, theyre (mods) not out to piss you off.

Ive been to forums where you never see the mods participate in anything, and I come here to see that most of the mods are very active, why the fuck piss'em off into obscurity?

One question to the mods though...WHY do you do it for free??? lol.
 
I removed a post to this thread because we're not here to bash the OP, hopefully anymore than we're here to bash Mods in this thread. :)



trydegrau said:
One question to the mods though...WHY do you do it for free??? lol.
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I can't speak for all of the Moderators of JUB, but many of us agreed to volunteer when asked, because it was an opportunity to give something back to a community that we care very much about.

Somewhere down the road it became an "us against them" mentality for some, when many seem to forget that we all come here for a lot of the same reasons; the sense of community that we all share.

There are rewards. :)

Like when a newbie comes online for the first time, and wants to start posting but can't figure out how to get some of the features to work and they ask for help. That's fun. :D

When a member spills their heart out in a thread, and then a few days later seeks our counsel to closing or removing that post/thread. The sense of understanding their feelings about doing such things, and then being able to remove their fears by do something about it for them. That's rewarding. :luv:

When a bunch of homophobes invade our website, and start posting their hate everywhere and anywhere they can find a place to post, and being able to stick it their asses with every thing in our Moderator arsenal. That's fun and rewarding. (!)

And!

As a Moderator/Member we're compelled to deal with members and individuals that we probably would put on ignore at first glance as non-moderators, only to discover that those members/individuals are really pretty neat people. That can be rewarding. :)

So yeah, when all that we focus on is the negative, and the drama, the miscommunications, and the BS, then being a Mod isn't fun for anyone. :(

This medium isn't always the best way to communicate, and sometimes we all get our wires crossed.

However, I've gotten to know a lot about members that I share being a Mod with, and I can't think of a better group of human beings who are as dedicated to this site as I am to volunteer with. ..|

Things are said, things are taken out of context, karma gets in the way, and here we are another thread discussing it. ;)

There's no real malice behind any of our decisions here.

That's why virtually every decision that is made is made by committee.

The Code of Conduct and the Terms of Service are pretty broad, and can be interpreted in a lot of ways. Sometimes we don't have that committee to rely upon and one of us has to make a decision. This is the reason that I believe the Mods are accused of not being "consistent." Well, one size doesn't fit all, and one Moderator's approach isn't necessarily how the rest would have dealt with it. But we stand behind each other in our decisions.

(Trust me! We get into our flame wars too! We just don't direct our flame-throwers at each other, AND we don't make them public. :lol:)

However the committee that makes up the Mod Team, is a TEAM, and we're what Just Us Boys have to keep this place the place that it's become, and hopefully will continue to be what it is.

We count on members like excase33 and the rest of you to help us with that, but as has been stated it wasn't anyone's intention of hurting anyone's feelings. :)

(*8*)
 
I know that you did the reports from the goodness of your heart. That is the important thing.

I always hope that people will speak to each other in more gentle terms, even to get a difficult message across. Sugar & honey catches more than vinegar. But then I am not involved in the PM's between you & the Mod, so I will keep out of that specifically and not comment.

I know many people on JUB (& in real life) are a bit fragile, so just dust yourself off, get over this incident after placing it in it's proper place of importance in your life and forget about it & move on.

Remember that Friday is 1/2 over & the weekend is almost here. Maybe for you the rain has headed North and the skys maybe blue for you. Have a great weekend.
 
centexfarmer said:
The rest of this is just Drama for the sake of Drama.

And while we're on the topic of Drama, that's the one thing that really wears this Moderator down.
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Looks like somebody could use a good back rub right about now! ;)



*whispers* So....do I get a free T-shirt out of this if i give you one? ..|

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On to the subject at hand. Mod's jobs are very tough. He's right when he says mods have to be babysitters, referees, and public enforcers. It's a horrible job. I know because I use to be a mod on another forum. I hated it because somebody always looked at you like you were talking the other guy's side.

To all Jub mods...this is for you! (*8*)
 
There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth about "Mod bashing" on this thread --- but if anyone is being bashed, it's excase 33.

If the Moderators wanted to send him a message to "slow down the reports" they should have done it in a courteous and polite way.

To tell someone who is only trying to be helpful that their "incessant post reporting was bordering on the pedantic" is really not the way to get the message across.

Civility costs nothing.
 
I have only recently seen this thread, having been away for a few days. I would like to record my 0.2¢

I think I know Alex better than anyone here, as we were house mates for two years, until recently. Alex was always logged on to JUB and nobody could be more enthusiastic about the site. It fact it was he who suggested I become a member (instead of looking over his shoulder all the time telling him what to write!!)

To say that he is a "Mod basher", as has been suggested on this thread, is crazy. On the contrary, he was very supportive of those behind the scenes and offered this support on many occasions.

I just looked at Alex's post history for an example, and I didn't have to look further than last week.

Someone critized JUB for 'censoring' a website, replacing the address with *****

Alex replied:

excase33 said:
If JUB blocks a URL it will be for a good reason. There are many rogue sites out there which infringe copyright, show underage images, or otherwise contravene the Code of Conduct and compromise the integrity of our site.

Just be glad that the Administrators and Moderators are doing their job to make our experience here more enjoyable.
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If that's not being a loyal and supportive member, I don't know what is!

In a post below, someone suggested Alex may have been "over zealous" with his Post Reporting. That may be so, but if the Mods wished him to "curb his excesses", a gentle note would have done the trick. I'm not the first on this thread to suggest that.

Instead, a Moderator fired off a nasty PM which Alex found upsetting. At my request, Alex has forwarded me that PM, plus a further three from that same Moderator which followed soon after. (The correspondence did go on after the initial PM.)

I have to say I was surprised at the unfriendly and offensive tone. I, too, would be upset if those PMs had been sent to me.

It would be worth posting the following paragraph from JUB's Code of Conduct which refers to Moderator conduct. One would hope that at least ONE Mod might take note!

"A major responsibility that comes with being a moderator is the exercise of restraint when dealing with members. It may not always be easy, but we ask that moderators remember that their actions reflect on the rest of the moderator team. For that very reason, we urge all moderators to hold themselves to a higher standard than they would expect from a regular member."
 
JUB is a great place. But if you don't like it, that's fine. Just leave.
 
Sorry to resurrect this thread when many believe it should be dead (along with me!) but I just wanted to make one final post ... and then I'll leave you all in peace.

First, I wanted to thank those who posted below (and sent PM's) in support. It's nice to know I wasn't a total dick who over-reacted as some suggested. I should mention I received PMs from two Moderators who were embarrassed and apologized.

Upon reflection, I guess I DID make too many Post Reports, but my intentions were good, all I've already said. I just wanted to be a good JUB community citizen. I should have received a gentle [-X instead of a thorough :spank:

I received a few PMs to say I should write to the owners of JUB, JD and Seth .... and I did that. That was a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't get the courtesy of a reply from either of them.

I wrote again, but this second PM was also ignored.

As a 'JUB Supporter', one of the benefits of subscribing to the site is to be able to request a receipt for any PMs sent. Both Seth and JD, the owners of JUB, sent me an acknowledgement that my PM had been received and read ... but neither bothered to respond.

I don't feel welcome here, so this will be my last post.

I did enjoy my 18 months here ... particularly on the Sports Forum where I made some good friends.

Take care. :wave:

Alex
 
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