I thought things had gone quiet onthe gun front

[LeicsDom]

There's about 90 people who die in the US every day from gunshots.

Compare that with the UK where we have, on average, 2-3 deaths by gunshots PER YEAR

 

[kallipolis]

There's about 90 people who die in the US every day from gunshots. About 2/3 of those deaths are suicides; the rate of suicide by self-inflicted gunshot has been increasing in military veterans. Everyone keeps arguing over the connection between mental health and gun violence as if this is responsible for the mass shootings. The reality is that mental health is more connected to suicides by gunshot.

Suicide by gunshot is often overlooked when faced with statistics detailing the total numbers of deaths caused by guns.

 

[kallipolis]

It's clear that the USA does not represent The Wild West it being a much safer country than a casual glance at the statistics might suggest, for self inflicted death by gunshot features prominently. The figures indicate that some 50 pct. of suicides are caused by gunshot:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

I quote:

All suicides
Number of deaths: 42,826
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.4
Cause of death rank: 10

Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 21,386
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.7

 

[gsdx]

It's kind of interesting- people in other countries avoid the US because of fear of guns; Americans respond by buying more guns.

It is also rather interesting (and confusing) that there are a great number of Americans who don't understand that their 'right to bear arms' doesn't extend beyond the border. Every years, weapons are confiscated at the border from Americans trying to cross into Canada. (They get the guns back, of course, if they come back through customs and claim them with their official paperwork - as long as the guns are legal, of course.) However, some downright refuse to pass them over and go back to the States. Some cause a ruckus and hold up the line trying to enforce their rights.

Many are innocent misunderstanding by Americans who simply don't know the rules in Canada and they are generally very cooperative. However, some downright refuse to pass them over and go back to the States. Some cause a ruckus and hold up the line trying to enforce their rights.

 

[Alistair]

It's clear that the USA does not represent The Wild West it being a much safer country than a casual glance at the statistics might suggest, for self inflicted death by gunshot features prominently. The figures indicate that some 50 pct. of suicides are caused by gunshot:

I think a fair share of them would still kill themselves if a gun was not available.

 

[Telstra]

That's stupid. Over nine-tenths of all violence using guns happens in less than 2% of the counties in the U.S. -- the rest are safer than Europe. For that matter, over eight-tenths of violence involving guns is criminals shooting criminals.

So don't be a criminal and don't go to where criminals shoot each other, and you're as safe as in Paris.

Thats not stupid.
Thats send a message to the US that guns for everyone is not acceptable.
I asked them to write to the US government for fun and criticised them about gun law.

 

[kallipolis]

Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
It's clear that the USA does not represent The Wild West it being a much safer country than a casual glance at the statistics might suggest, for self inflicted death by gunshot features prominently. The figures indicate that some 50 pct. of suicides are caused by gunshot:

I think a fair share of them would still kill themselves if a gun was not available.

No doubt....but the issue here is easy access to guns.

It can also be argued that the suicide rate might well be lower were guns not part of the family furniture.

 

[Kahaih]

. . . .

There's about 90 people who die in the US every day from gunshots. . . . . .

According to this government website;

https://www.census.gov/popclock/

People die at a rate of 5 per minute in the US.

300 deaths per hour

in the US, 7,200 people will die today

out of the total US population of the 326,04+,+++ [watch it climb] about 2,628,000 people will die this year.



Just for fun, watch that meter/number at the top of the page to see if you can tell when today’s 90 gun shot victims cash in.

 

[kallipolis]

There's about 90 people who die in the US every day from gunshots. About 2/3 of those deaths are suicides; the rate of suicide by self-inflicted gunshot has been increasing in military veterans.

Well noted...............

 

[KaraBulut]

No doubt....but the issue here is easy access to guns.

It can also be argued that the suicide rate might well be lower were guns not part of the family furniture.

And having treated plenty of suicide attempt patients, we had a better chance of survival with the non-firearm attempts than with the gunshot attempts. The only thing good that every came out of the self-inflicted gunshot was organ donation.

When you pull the trigger, the decision to try to end your life is not reversible. Perhaps if the gun weren't there, they might have had an opportunity to reconsider.

 

[Kulindahr]

And that's probably what most people visiting the US need to know- because of the types of gun incidents and the concentration of gun crimes, most areas of the US are safe for tourists.

I don't know if it's still available, but the NRA awhile back offered a guidebook to the U.S. specifically delineating the areas and things to avoid.

The metaphor that I was thinking of is a firehose. It's pretty easy to aim a firehose into a crowd and hit someone- anyone. If you're aiming the firehose at one person in the crowd, then it's a lot harder.

A firehose is probably a better comparison, since people react widely differently to being punched in the gut.

I saw an interview with people at a gun show today. Several of them were justifying the need for bump fire stocks for sport shooting. Obviously this was someone who had never used one. It's hard enough to manage the recoil on a semiautomatic weapon; with bump fire, it's just spraying bullets like an amateur.

If you shoot often enough, a bumpfire isn't too bad; it works for cutting down small trees....

Semiautos have no worse recoil than bolt-action; recoil depends all on the caliber. Recoil is only a problem if you're trying to shoot rapidly. In fact, a bumpfire stock can be used to merely control recoil for more consistent aim, which would be the only reason I;d ever want to own one -- but at the price, I'll just shoot more slowly.

 

[Kulindahr]

Suicide by gunshot is often overlooked when faced with statistics detailing the total numbers of deaths caused by guns.

Mostly because preventing suicide no matter the means is a difficult issue, and a totally different one from misuse of firearms to harm others.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think a fair share of them would still kill themselves if a gun was not available.

Estimates on that range wildly, but I agree. Japan and South Korea both have gun laws most liberals would admire, but they also both have high suicide rates that make the U.S. look tame, which demonstrates that guns aren't needed when people decide to die.

 

[Kulindahr]

Thats not stupid.
Thats send a message to the US that guns for everyone is not acceptable.
I asked them to write to the US government for fun and criticised them about gun law.

Penalize yourself for what a (tiny portion of a) whole other country does... yeah, I still call that stupid.

 

[Telstra]

Penalize yourself for what a (tiny portion of a) whole other country does... yeah, I still call that stupid.

umm, i think the opposite.
They penalize the US with their money because of the stupid gun freedom.
Remember there are so many other tourist destinations outside the US.

 

[Kulindahr]

umm, i think the opposite.
They penalize the US with their money because of the stupid gun freedom.
Remember there are so many other tourist destinations outside the US.

The U.S. won't even know their money didn't get spent here.

 

[mikey3000]

And once again, this shooting is old news.

 

[gsdx]

Never mind.