If carb makes us fat, why are low carb gurus... fat?

[Dominus]

Loren Cordain, guru behind the paleo diet. Recommends 55% meat in your diet.

Sally Fallon, president of Weston Price Foundation and recommends all meat and fat diet.

William Davis, MD, author of the wheat belly and recommends meat, fat, oil, and dairy.

Barry Sears, phd, author of the zone diet and recommends meat, fish, and oils.

Robert Atkins, MD, the person behind the Atkins Diet.

I did not try to pick their worst pictures. These pictures are from either their own websites or news sources.

Now, here are the high carb gurus.

John Mcdougall, MD, probably the best known high carb advocate. He's the author of the starch solution.

Neal Barnard, MD, who advocates starch, plant based diet.

Joel Fuhrman, MD, who advocates starch, plant based diet.

Michael Kaper, MD, who advocates starch, plant based diet.

Alan Goldhamer, DC, runs a health clinic and promotes starch, plant based diet.

I'm just confused.

 

[Sha-Rok]

Because like most people, they don't practice what they preach...it's all a scam. Calories in vs. calories used; it's all about a deficit. That's the only way to lose weight naturally. No magic tea or pills. Consistency, determination & exercise is all that is needed. I do limit my carbs to fruits, leafy greens & veggies.

 

[HoodedRat]

Carbs don't make you fat. Eating too much (of anything) makes you fat.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Carbs don't make you fat. Eating too much (of anything) makes you fat.

This.

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Also Meat/Dairy doesn't need to be a necessary part of anyone's diet. So I wouldn't take someone who pushes that idea seriously.

 

[rareboy]

It isn't about carbs making you fat. It is about how easy it is to consume way more simple processed carbs than you can burn off.

Very simply, eat mostly plants.

Get a balance of fats, complex carbs, protein.

Get the nutrients you need.

Don't drink your calories.

Don't worry about what the gurus say. Don't worry about what they look like.

 

[mcbrion]

You see these people as "fat"? Wow. I see them as "average," with the exception of Sears.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Low carb diets work. Low fat diets work. Pretty much all diets work.

The trick is finding one you will follow...so that you hit those calorie deficits.

 

[Dominus]

You see these people as "fat"? Wow. I see them as "average," with the exception of Sears.

Since most people are overweight or obese, I suppose they are also average.

 

[rareboy]

The answer to the original question posed isn't rocket science.

Calories in are greater than calories expended.

And it doesn't matter how you take them in. Whether from meats, fats, or legumes or carbs.

What isn't being discussed is the other part of the equation...the nutrients.

Some foods and the calories they provide are basically 'empty'.

Generally, the diet gurus are promoting foods that they believe provide not only the calories, but the macro and micro nutrients that you need to maintain your body.

 

[nycguydowntown]

think the Queen is 90 something--drinks a few cocktails everyday---eats whatever she wants---and is just fine---
Had a relative who lived to be 102---ate well but from all food groups---not too much meat or sweets---drank a liter of wine a day--but worked hard.
know vegetarians who got cancer at a young age---
It's all very random and genetic ---but good common sense does come into play...not that most Americans have any from the looks of them.

 

[Dominus]

think the Queen is 90 something--drinks a few cocktails everyday---eats whatever she wants---and is just fine---
Had a relative who lived to be 102---ate well but from all food groups---not too much meat or sweets---drank a liter of wine a day--but worked hard.
know vegetarians who got cancer at a young age---
It's all very random and genetic ---but good common sense does come into play...not that most Americans have any from the looks of them.

You're talking about exceptions. Keep in mind that an exception does not make the rule.

I, too, have known people that can eat whatever and however much they want. Back in high school, I knew a girl that ate like you wouldn't believe. She was also very thin and dense. Recently, we met up and she was still eating very large portions. Still thin and very dense.

Does this mean everybody can eat two hamburgers and large fries like she does?

The point of these scientific studies and facts are to apply to large number of people in a general sense. You can't point to an exception or two and try to apply them to the whole. There are always exceptions in everything. Heck, there were a hand full of nazis who helped the jews escape death. Do we now say all nazis were angels?

The fact of the matter is carb and starchy foods do not make people fat and sickly. Overeating makes people fat and sickly. I don't understand why all the sudden fear of carb, especially starch, nowadays.

This came up during our recent discussion about poor people being able to eat healthy. I said that oatmeal, potato, rice, etc. are very healthy and filling and also very cheap. Some members on here were horrified at the suggestion that poor people should stop eating fried chicken and quadruple burgers from fast foods. There is little doubt that the obesity epidemic is affecting the poor a lot more than everyone else. Why? Because of all the cheap processed crap out there.

I'm simply saying people can still eat pretty cheaply and healthy. Oatmeal, potato, rice, and other starchy foods won't make you fat. Overeating of empty calories make you fat. So, please stop demonizing starches.

 

[gsdx]

I don't understand why all the sudden fear of carb, especially starch, nowadays.

Apparently you know shit-all about diabetes.

 

[Telstra]

people should think the basic ''math''
Intake more than waste out = gain weight
intake less than waste out = loose weight

 

[mcbrion]

"I'm simply saying people can still eat pretty cheaply and healthy. Oatmeal, potato, rice, and other starchy foods won't make you fat. Overeating of empty calories make you fat. So, please stop demonizing starches."

MAN, when you're wrong, you're really incorrect with your "facts." Oatmeal, no.

Everything else you mentioned converts to sugar, which then converts to fat which then stores on the body. This is precisely why the obesity crisis happened: people ate food that advertised as "low fat," which included cookies, starches (like potatoes and rice), fried foods, tortillas (starch), potato chips (starch), and because they were not consuming "fat," believed that they were allowed to eat all this bad-for-the-body food.

If we were all as a active as Michael Phelps, then, yes, the carbs themselves would be burned off. But for most people? Not the case. Hence, the obesity crisis. "Most" people eat too many starchy carbs. That's why, here in America, it was normal for grandma and grandpa to be "rotund." Bread, starches and the like. But it was bolstered by the unhealthy Government Food Pyramid. On the other hand, we were all much more active in the '50s, and there would usually only be one or two "fat" kids in any class, because of recess and after school play (dodge ball, baseball, basketball) and just running around with friends. We didn't sit in front of an X-Box because...there weren't any!

As for "most" people being overweight...nah. But people's body dysmorphia -as outlined in The Adonis Complex showed how warped peoples' views of their own - and others' bodies are. And so it continues, simply because people believe in the BMI as some sort of Bible. I had created a "BMI" before there was a BMI, (back in 1977) and it was much simpler.
You simply divided weight by height. 2.0 lbs per inch = thin. 2.1 = lean. 2.2 = lightly muscular and so on. By the time you got to 2.5, one would have to be doing some kind of body sculpting or else they'd have...solid - not "fat," bodies. This was simply a way to observe healthy weight indexes.

This is also why Weight Watchers touted their "Revolutionary" new ideas. Revolutionary, my lucky rabbit's foot. They just cut out promoting starches and carbs that processed onto the ol' body as fat as "ok" foods.

 

[mcbrion]

As for "fear of carbs," this is exactly why the Black community has such a high rate of diabetes. In my own family, they knew nothing about eating healthily (except my mother, who was a nutritionist), and nearly all of them have diabetes (or got cancer) (on my mom's side). WAY too many junky carbs. And this was evident back in the '50s - to me, at least. Mom was very smart about what we ate growing up, yet my brother and little sister were both unhealthily overweight: he was on the far side of 300 and my sister can barely get below 240 - at 65! Typical "Black" diets: fried foods, junk, junk, junk, spelled C-A-R-B-O-H-Y-D-R-A-T-E-S. And not the good ones: anything green or yellow.
I can simply observe my family and give you 75 reasons carbs are bad (the bad ones, obviously). I don't need a "study" done in 1990. I knew long before that what made people fat.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Apparently you know shit-all about diabetes.

He should, he had it.

 

[Dominus]

"I'm simply saying people can still eat pretty cheaply and healthy. Oatmeal, potato, rice, and other starchy foods won't make you fat. Overeating of empty calories make you fat. So, please stop demonizing starches."

MAN, when you're wrong, you're really incorrect with your "facts." Oatmeal, no.

Everything else you mentioned converts to sugar, which then converts to fat which then stores on the body. This is precisely why the obesity crisis happened: people ate food that advertised as "low fat," which included cookies, starches (like potatoes and rice), fried foods, tortillas (starch), potato chips (starch), and because they were not consuming "fat," believed that they were allowed to eat all this bad-for-the-body food.

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. You are conflating carb and starches with processed carb and processed starch. Last time we talked about this, I tried to get you to understand the difference between the two types.

Potato is one if the best things you can eat. French fries is one of the worst things you can eat. Oatmeal is one of the best things you can eat. Instant oats (loaded up with sugar and other crap) is one of the worst things you can eat. Etc.

Are you telling me that this will make me fat and sick?



Everything you listed above (fried foods, tortillas, potato chips, etc.) are all processed carbs and processed starch.

Instead of recognizing that the oily part of the french fries is what makes people sick, you blame the potato part of it. What you are doing is the same as blaming H2O for someone's death after they drank some cyanide solution.

 

[Dominus]

As for "fear of carbs," this is exactly why the Black community has such a high rate of diabetes. In my own family, they knew nothing about eating healthily (except my mother, who was a nutritionist), and nearly all of them have diabetes (or got cancer) (on my mom's side). WAY too many junky carbs. And this was evident back in the '50s - to me, at least. Mom was very smart about what we ate growing up, yet my brother and little sister were both unhealthily overweight: he was on the far side of 300 and my sister can barely get below 240 - at 65! Typical "Black" diets: fried foods, junk, junk, junk, spelled C-A-R-B-O-H-Y-D-R-A-T-E-S. And not the good ones: anything green or yellow.
I can simply observe my family and give you 75 reasons carbs are bad (the bad ones, obviously). I don't need a "study" done in 1990. I knew long before that what made people fat.

The high rate of diabetes is from eating processed and oily carbs like french fries and fried chicken.

Drinking water is very good and healthy for you. Drinking soda drinks, which are made from water, will eventually give you health problems. I'm sorry, you're just wrong in this. Instead of recognizing that it's all the chemicals and sugar in the soda drinks that's the problem, you blame the water part of the ingredients. And instead of blaming the processed and oily parts of the french fries, you blame the potato part of it.

Step back and think for a moment. Did your family ever make just a vegetable soup like the one I made for myself (pictured in previous post)? Or did they shove processed and fried crap in their mouths?

Again, I'm sorry, but you're just wrong in this. There is nothing wrong with potato, rice, oatmeal, grains, barley, wheat, etc.

 

[Dominus]

Apparently you know shit-all about diabetes.

Considering I had type 2 and now I'm cured of it should tell you a thing or two about what I know.

 

[belamyi]

"Fat" is not the same as "obese", or even "overweight": the people of whom ari said that they were fat, are fat indeed.

"Fat" can be considered an antonym of "fit", and "fit" itself is different from "skinny", or even "slim".

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Considering I had type 2 and now I'm cured of it should tell you a thing or two about what I know.

You like to remember that, on't you: you keep a trophy or something?