If Obama wins this year, do you think we should ask Republicans to leave the country?

[opinterph]

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[JayHawk]

HRMMM ... just for a silly old experiment let's take Kulindhar's vote by county map of RED states.... and make it into the 2008 vote. A democrat won so therefore it must reflect more democratic areas... a give if you will... and it ends up very blue indeed

Rank State GDP Percentage of U.S.
1 California $181.1 11.1%
2 Texas $158.8 9.7%
3 Ohio $84.1 5.1%
4 Illinois $78.8 4.8%
5 North Carolina $78 4.8%
6 Pennsylvania $75.5 4.6%
7 New York $69.1 4.2%
8 Indiana $63.8 3.9%
9 Michigan $61.8 3.8%
10 Wisconsin $48.9 3%

That predominately puts the manufactoring into blue hands. BUT that is not traditionally how people lean nor does it reflect the 50/50 nature of our fellow citizens.

So here is a map of the last four elections...

KEY: Data represents voting pattens from 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 presidential elections. Red represents states where a Republican candidate carried the vote in all four of these elections. Pink represents states where the Republican candidate carried the state in three out of the four elections. Purple represents regions where the Republican candidate and the Democratic candidate each carried the state in two of the four elections. Light blue represents a state where the Democratic candidate carried the state in three of the four elections. Dark blue represents where the Democratic candidate carried the state in all four of these elections

Obtained from wiki

So now if you use history as a guide of where states would fall out in this mythical succession which we already squashed once... yet even if it occurred the two 'countries' would be pretty damn evenly matched in manufacturing capability.

So the premise is crap. Why would anyone think being so divisive is effective? It is destroying the republican party as we speak.

 

[JayHawk]

Not to mention that the facts argue that the premise was incorrect in the first place. NEITHER blue nor red area would be as successful if we were competing. Simply look at Europe and you can understand. Why do you think they were attempting a economic 'United States' in the first place?

 

[Rolyo85]

The whole idea of "one party" states is pretty scary to me.

 

[Kulindahr]

Getting a masters does not make you a smart person. It means your passed some tests.

The only master's degree I'm aware of that you can get by "passing some tests" is in social work. A real master's requires serious research plus original and critical thinking -- and that's before getting to the meat of the thing, the thesis.

 

[Rolyo85]

Not true. I can tell you from experience you don't need to do much more than take tests to get a Master's in a musical instrument performance field.

Well, that and being able to play said instrument, but you already are if you've gotten to Master's....

 

[JayHawk]

I agree. i would rather see more parties so that compromise would have to be the order of the day. let there be a socialist party, and a social leaning green party and a ultra conservative religio fanatic group and a conservative wing... I can see things right now that the fringes would agree on against the middle.

We are essentially a three party system currently. Red, Blue and Purple. The Purple folks actually decide who gets power.

 

[JB3]

Not true. I can tell you from experience you don't need to do much more than take tests to get a Master's in a musical instrument performance field.

Well, that and being able to play said instrument, but you already are if you've gotten to Master's....

Getting your performer's certificate or master's in performance requires a whole lot more than just 'taking some tests'. It requires a lot of skill, far beyond anything that you would have had when you entered the program.

 

[Rolyo85]

As someone in his third semester of a second Master's in violin performance in one of the leading music schools in the ocuntry, I ASSURE you that you're mistaken

 

[Kulindahr]

Getting your performer's certificate or master's in performance requires a whole lot more than just 'taking some tests'. It requires a lot of skill, far beyond anything that you would have had when you entered the program.

Yeah. The guy I knew getting his master's in trumpet had to do a lot more than "take tests". One thing he had to do was re-score some compositions to give the trumpets the primary role carrying the melody, and keep the orchestration good -- that's definitely original thinking!

 

[JB3]

As someone in his third semester of a second Master's in violin performance in one of the leading music schools in the ocuntry, I ASSURE you that you're mistaken

Well apparently your 'leading music school' must not be that intensive, because where I got my master's in music education a performer's certificate was far more intense than just 'taking some tests'. It ended with a recital, but along the way those students had to write the equivalent of a thesis, as well as many, many other performances.

 

[CowboyBob]

Oh Christ.

Don't send them here. They've fucked up the world already. We don't need them.

Send them to Israel. They all seem to pop a chub for that part of the world. It would also give them something to do; converting Jews and Muslims to Christianity.

Sorry. Just want to get them out of here and Canada is close. Maybe Canadians can figure them out. With your free health care they'll get much needed psychoanalysis and treatment.

 

[Just_Believe18]

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I think that's the purpose of the entire thread. It's just a partisan trash thread of Democrats and Republicans insulting each other over a presidential contest. It's a headache to read through from both sides.

 

[JayHawk]

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Sadly Just Believe this is how most CE&P threads devolve these days. Is it just me or did the forum used to be:

Idea, Idea, Idea, trashtalk

and now it has become

Trashtalk, trashtalk, trashtalk, Idea

I am just as guilty sometimes but I do not have light shed on an issue very much anymore.

 

[Just_Believe18]

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Sadly Just Believe this is how most CE&P threads devolve these days. Is it just me or did the forum used to be:

Idea, Idea, Idea, trashtalk

and now it has become

Trashtalk, trashtalk, trashtalk, Idea

I am just as guilty sometimes but I do not have light shed on an issue very much anymore.

It has more to do with the quality of threads that are allowed to persist until ultimately they are locked or need to be cleaned up. The CE&P forum is unique in the sense that it involves the most contentious of issues and politics. Everyone feels very strongly about their beliefs, and oftentimes, they share or express them in a way that does not encourage discussion or input from other members. For example, this thread is designed simply to invoke trash talk between different political spectrums. Ultimately, if it continues, it will be locked. This is a sub-forum that needs rules and standards to engage in discussion that utilizes facts and rationality. Punishing others for personal comments is not enough. I think Opinterph and Centexfarmer have done a good job of taking posts and dissecting them with facts and information that challenges other forum members. However, certain forum members are allowed to degrade the quality of discourse with patterned partisan garbage that's not interested in discussion, but only to abuse the attention of others. Some habitual abusers have rightfully been banned while others post offensively in plain sight.

Just like the Relationships sub-forum is a no-flame zone, the CE&P forum needs to be a no-shit zone.

 

[Rolyo85]

Well apparently your 'leading music school' must not be that intensive, because where I got my master's in music education a performer's certificate was far more intense than just 'taking some tests'. It ended with a recital, but along the way those students had to write the equivalent of a thesis, as well as many, many other performances.

Jacobs School of Music, Indiana University, just so we get rid of those pesky quotation marks. Forgive me for having an actual idea what it takes to earn a Master's in instrument performance. It involves a lot of stuff, depending on school, but what it does NOT involve is any sort of research and/or noticeable change in instrumental abilities. Grad school for performers is a time to work on general understanding of musicality and finding a job, not some intense education. And considering the entire process of actually learning to play an instrument, that's exactly as it should be.

Also, this is entirely off topic.

 

[Kulindahr]

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It has more to do with the quality of threads that are allowed to persist until ultimately they are locked or need to be cleaned up. The CE&P forum is unique in the sense that it involves the most contentious of issues and politics. Everyone feels very strongly about their beliefs, and oftentimes, they share or express them in a way that does not encourage discussion or input from other members. For example, this thread is designed simply to invoke trash talk between different political spectrums. Ultimately, if it continues, it will be locked. This is a sub-forum that needs rules and standards to engage in discussion that utilizes facts and rationality. Punishing others for personal comments is not enough. I think Opinterph and Centexfarmer have done a good job of taking posts and dissecting them with facts and information that challenges other forum members. However, certain forum members are allowed to degrade the quality of discourse with patterned partisan garbage that's not interested in discussion, but only to abuse the attention of others. Some habitual abusers have rightfully been banned while others post offensively in plain sight.

Please tell me you don't want us to adapt Roberts' Rules of Order.....

Part of the problem here is that we have people who are generally or at least frequently rational and calm, but can switch to arrogance and irrationality rather unpredictably. It also doesn't help that while some mods, as you noted, do a superb job of elevating the discussion, it's also possible to find posts by a mod that abandon rationality for sheer prejudice, thus setting a low tone for the forum. Another part is that some posters are perfectly capable of behaving nicely, but deliberately post trash to set others off -- and it can be hard to tell them from ones who descend into trash when they get poked just right (or whatever sets them off). Then there are of course the apparent naive innocents who literally cannot bend their minds around so much as the possibility of some other world view, and get offensive (and asinine) without even knowing they're doing it.

Just like the Relationships sub-forum is a no-flame zone, the CE&P forum needs to be a no-shit zone.

Heh -- but who gets to define "shit"?

 

[Kulindahr]

As someone in his third semester of a second Master's in violin performance in one of the leading music schools in the ocuntry, I ASSURE you that you're mistaken

Jacobs School of Music, Indiana University, just so we get rid of those pesky quotation marks. Forgive me for having an actual idea what it takes to earn a Master's in instrument performance. It involves a lot of stuff, depending on school, but what it does NOT involve is any sort of research and/or noticeable change in instrumental abilities. Grad school for performers is a time to work on general understanding of musicality and finding a job, not some intense education. And considering the entire process of actually learning to play an instrument, that's exactly as it should be.

Also, this is entirely off topic.

Martin (the name that comes to me for the trumpet student I knew) must have been doing something more than just a master's in performance, then: he had to take physics of brass instruments and some related physics courses, on top of having the composition work and such.


Off topic? I dunno... let's see...

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okay, you're right -- I sure can't link it back in.

 

[evanrick]

fortunately, your poisonously partisan view isn't shared by a majority.

have you considered founding your own country so you never have to be bothered by dealing with anyone who thinks differently than you do?

We did have our own country, it was called America, but 230 years later a political party decided to sell their citizens out to corporations. Where do you get your news?

And how can you say my views are not shared by a majority? Last time I checked, Democrats have a majority, and liberals are the core of the democratic party.

You can make up your own opinions but dont make up your own facts.

 

[evanrick]

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I think that's the purpose of the entire thread. It's just a partisan trash thread of Democrats and Republicans insulting each other over a presidential contest. It's a headache to read through from both sides.

Well when Barack Obama wins re-election maybe the republicans will finally stop bitching about him being a socialist or a communist, im guessing they wont which is WHY I STARTED THIS THREAD.