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If they found a planet just like earth...

The closest start to earth is 4.3 light years away. So would have to be on a ship traveling near the speed of light for over 4 years just to get to it.

4 years to an outside observer -- subject/passenger time would be a bit over 5 months (there are people in the tech forum who could give us exact figures) at the speed I gave.

It's amazing how big a difference there is in subjective time between going 99%c and 99.99%c . . . and 99.999999999%c!
 
^ do you recommend Vernor Vinge?

Very much so. I can't wait to read his new one, which is a sequel to AFUTD (20 years after the original was published).

I like him because of the scope of his vision. Also because there are no saintly white-hat good guys in his books; everyone is human, with human failings. In A Deepness in the Sky the "good guys" are a bunch of libertarian-descended traders who name their ships things like The Invisible Hand. The only REAL good guys are a family of giant spiders!

Interesting reads. I'll be sure to look them up on amazon. I am currently reading The Culture Series.

Yeah, I've been meaning to read those, but haven't gotten to them yet.
 
hmmm, isaac asimov wrote two trilogies on this subject

The robot series beginning with "Caves of Steel"
and
"Foundation" series.

In both, mankind eventually populated other worlds. But after that occurs, those worlds become independent cultures. Eventually, they won't entertain visitors from Earth because they have wiped out many of our diseases in their worlds where there are far fewer people.

I suspect that if this were possible, the people in those new worlds would become very different from those on this world in a short period of time.

Think of the comparison between America and the old world.

It's possible that after the first ship lands there - if the second or third ships don't arrive within a few decades, they wouldn't be welcome.

Asimov's not the only one to hit that. I don't recall the author, but there was a story where a gal from a colony world got a scholarship to M.I.T., but she had to come up with the entry costs. Her friends did a massive campaign, because the screening, quarantine, and purging routines came to a hundred thousand 'stars' (which I estimated to be about $3 each). It was totally unnecessary, medically, but it was Earth's way of responding to what the established colonies made visitors go through. During the course of the story she trips over a program working on building immunity to every known human disease into the human genome... which is okay, but there's an inside cabal also mixing in "improvements" to the species, like faster reflexes, tougher bones, more durable joints, better eyesight....

In the story it took about five generations before the colonists got hardnosed about Earth visitors and the diseases, which about corresponds to the time it would get to be self-sufficient with its own space capability.

At any rate, there was an argument how far the changes/additions should go before the result would still be human, and a plot arose to steal some of the material when the biotechs were finished, so the colony worlds wouldn't get shut out as a separate species. So I think we're more likely to 'evolve' by tinkering than by standard track.

Of course then are are the tales where the engineering goes further, creating aquamen for watery worlds, "dwarves" for mountain worlds... and "elves" for some forest worlds -- and the argument there is whether they've just gotten aesthetic versus functional, and whether they're dooming the race(s) to future strife.

If they were going to turn me into a dwarf, I wouldn't go -- elf, yes. :D
 
Very much so. I can't wait to read his new one, which is a sequel to AFUTD (20 years after the original was published).

I like him because of the scope of his vision. Also because there are no saintly white-hat good guys in his books; everyone is human, with human failings. In A Deepness in the Sky the "good guys" are a bunch of libertarian-descended traders who name their ships things like The Invisible Hand. The only REAL good guys are a family of giant spiders!



Yeah, I've been meaning to read those, but haven't gotten to them yet.

That reminds me of another batch, some a guy at college was writing. One premise was that bioengineering had gotten to the point that new bodies could be made for people, and their brains moved. There was a "darkie" (future punk?) group that decided they wanted to be giant spiders. The thing they didn't know is that the biotechs had made it so they could reproduce -- as human-intelligence giant spiders.

:eek:
 
I'm surprised no one has brought up the issue of reducing Earth's population this way.

well as the question was originally worded - 50K people, that wouldn't make much of a dent in the world population. It wouldn't even make much of a difference in the US population. What would that be - 1 out of each 6,000 Americans gone?

And while world population may be a big issue right now. There are theories out there that say in the next generation, the world population will peak and there will be more issues from a declining world population than there are with an increasing one.
 
Absolutely. Yes. Sign me up.

Just don't answer any 'distress' signals while we're en route.

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well as the question was originally worded - 50K people, that wouldn't make much of a dent in the world population. It wouldn't even make much of a difference in the US population. What would that be - 1 out of each 6,000 Americans gone?

And while world population may be a big issue right now. There are theories out there that say in the next generation, the world population will peak and there will be more issues from a declining world population than there are with an increasing one.

I'll concede that. But there's nothing saying the ship can't keep making trips.
 
The truth is they would take as many scientists as needed, military, and who would pay the cost, you seen the movies you know how the Govt. works. be real!!!
 
The purpose of populating the planet would not be served by taking gays, would it?
 
And turkey basters are established technology at this point. Hello.

There's one reason I specified a serious population. A colony ship with only, say, a thousand people would either have to carry gos of your hibernating embryos or the women would be expected to bear children from as many men as possible. I don't expect that too many couples would be willing to swap spouses to accomplish that.
 
What is a trillion? It is a meaningless number.

Given that it would likely jack up the economy of the globe and we could get rid of 50k of people we don't need here, I'd say it is a bargain.
 
What is a trillion? It is a meaningless number.

Given that it would likely jack up the economy of the globe and we could get rid of 50k of people we don't need here, I'd say it is a bargain.

"Meaningless"?

So it would be fine if the U.S. just springs for the cost?

This is an item I thought someone would bring up sooner: that's a hefty slab of cash. Each passenger slot would effectively cost twenty million.
 
But it is meaningless. It is just flow through cash. It would be right back in the pockets of the workers, the shareholders and (lol) the Government tax coffers if they were smart enough to collect it. It isn't as though anyone would be taking the cash with them.

And instead of spending a trillion dollars bombing the shit out of people on earth in order to stimulate the supply side reconstruction economy....this would lift people's sights on the future.

And unless it was solely a US Enterprise (get-it?) a lot of other countries would be ponying up a share of the lucre as well in order to get a piece of the action.

It is why, except for the patently simplistic hegemony expressed by the Newtster, I thought that re-charging the American economy and the American imagination with a moon colony was actually a pretty good idea.
 
If there is a planet equivalent to Earth, it already has life on it. That planet belongs to that life. So, we have no business going there and fucking it up.

Colonialism blew the first time around, and the countries affected are still recovering - or not recovering, and that's the problem. . .
 
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