If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

[pat grimshaw]

…I… …I… …my… …I… …I… …I… …my… …my….

Is it seems as though, at the end of the day, at the climax of the thread, that everything, ultimately, is about you.

 

[aaggii]

The main points really never did get addressed. Like the existence of homophobic baggage attached to the term. Other than Mitch's "no, it's not true!", there has been no real response to this.

What homophobic baggage? You´re not allowed to say straight, because it makes you homophobic, are you kidding me? No wonder no one adressed this question. Geesh

 

[Rolyo85]

The problem with this is that as soon as someone says they aren't into feminine guys - presumably if masculine is okay to use and is easily understood, so is feminine - we have exactly the same shitstorm over the term and the divisions it causes here in the village.

So where does this leave us?

-d-

While there is definitely an argument to be had on that issue as well, the "shitstorm" is anything but "the same". It is a completely different problem, and one that is isolated to YOU. The term SA isn't.

 

[Rolyo85]

Is it seems as though, at the end of the day, at the climax of the thread, that everything, ultimately, is about you.

Oh, booboo, are you disappointed your baiting me in order to report my response so I can get banned got crowned with a fabulous crown of epic fail? ^_^ Keep trying, I am sure you will be able to get SOMEONE banned. That oughta give at least a little meaning to your life, right?

...right?

 

[Rolyo85]

What homophobic baggage? You´re not allowed to say straight, because it makes you homophobic, are you kidding me? No wonder no one adressed this question. Geesh

You made that up and you are responsible for it. Straight and straight-acting aren't the same, and neither is it all the same who uses them. A gay guy calling himself either is being homophobic though, yes. Usually unconsciously. And I have explained in great detail why I think so. If you think I am wrong, don't ask me if I am kidding you but tell me which part of my reasoning you disagree with.

 

[blackbeltninja]

While there is definitely an argument to be had on that issue as well, the "shitstorm" is anything but "the same". It is a completely different problem, and one that is isolated to YOU. The term SA isn't.

...what?

You're making even less sense than usual.

-d-

 

[aaggii]

You made that up and you are responsible for it. Straight and straight-acting aren't the same, and neither is it all the same who uses them. A gay guy calling himself either is being homophobic though, yes. Usually unconsciously. And I have explained in great detail why I think so. If you think I am wrong, don't ask me if I am kidding you but tell me which part of my reasoning you disagree with.

Yes, I´ve said that straight and straight-acting aren´t the same, pretty much in every post on mine here. You make me repeat myself and what other users already said, if you´re asking me for the pro straight-acting-use arguments. How a gay guy claiming to be straight acting is homophobic? Get your definitions right, then, please, I ask you AGAIN, read the thread. The arguments are already here, you just have to read them.

 

[kallipolis]

On a deeper level every human person acts a part, plays a role to project who we should like to be, but are not this reality not being restricted to our attempts in early adulthood, to come to terms with our sexual orientation when creating an image, in the company of our peers that will address our concerns that they may reject us, for being who we are attempting to become the man hiding behind a mask...for as much time as it takes to come to terms with our sexual identity....a process of self discovery that each human person must work out for themself life's journey being sufficient time to face our fears, and conquer them to reveal our true self.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

This thread is a damn hot mess. People getting offended over a phrase used on apps like grindr.

It's efficient and effective. I've also never met anyone offended by it until now.
I have heard people offended by "masc only". When people start requesting these attributes from others and judging people on their masculinity/femininity, then I have a problem. Until then, it's just an easy way to describe themselves.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

On a deeper level every human person acts a part, plays a role to project who we should like to be, but are not this reality not being restricted to our attempts in early adulthood, to come to terms with our sexual orientation when creating an image, in the company of our peers that will address our concerns that they may reject us, for being who we are attempting to become the man hiding behind a mask...for as much time as it takes to come to terms with our sexual identity....a process of self discovery that each human person must work out for themself life's journey being sufficient time to face our fears, and conquer them to reveal our true self.

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thankyou

 

[LAPan75]

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I am "Me Acting"..... guess that makes me "straight acting" too?

As a Pansexual male who grew up in New Orleans.... I have no clue what it is to be straight or gay.

I like what I like, do what I do, and it is up to others to Judge I guess.

I am not Flaming, but I am also not sitting down to watch the NFL* so I can yell at the TV like a moron.
(*I call it Sissy-Ball, BTW, in all the negativity that possesses. I played Organized Football, including full contact Street Ball with no pads, & just think what the NFL calls Football now is just awful.)
I am sure someone will have a Judgement about all of that too.
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[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

Anyways, I'm going to bed. This straight-acting gay guy has been in the middle of far too much drama for his straight-acting self. People are going to start asking questions soon.

You seem to have a superiority complex.

 

[johaninsc]

Damn, after all this I need a good, stiff drink... pardon the pun. And I don't EVER drink.

I don't like nor use the term, straight "acting". I prefer masculine, feminine... even then most gay men are some combination, not predominantly either. Yet I'm not going to get all huffy trying to lord it over those who have one particular view or another. I come here to try to have some fun with others like me or those supportive of us. There are so many things that have worked against us in society for so long, yet we get a lot of disharmony and intellectual snobbery for those who would rather be obstinate than really want to be a community. And yes, we're all different... we're not going to all like the same things, act the same way nor should we. But c'mon, to agree to disagree is one thing, but fuck... enough is enough, you don't have to ALWAYS get in the last word or lord it over everyone with a sense of snarky superiority. And for the record, this will be my only comment on this thread.

well said, Sausy


seems that these types of threads always end up like this...

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

da weeds lookins gurd
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betta check how much doins it taday
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thankyou

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

The problem with this is that as soon as someone says they aren't into feminine guys - presumably if masculine is okay to use and is easily understood, so is feminine - we have exactly the same shitstorm over the term and the divisions it causes here in the village.

So where does this leave us?

-d-

Crossing swords until people learn to just voice what they like, rather than always list the things they dislike.

Telling people you like rock music doesn't impact anything and it reflects a positive to those that like it too; tell the world you absolutely can't stand rap, and you're bound to get a critical reaction.

 

[bankside]

Crossing swords until people learn to just voice what they like, rather than always list the things they dislike.

Telling people you like rock music doesn't impact anything and it reflects a positive to those that like it too; tell the world you absolutely can't stand rap, and you're bound to get a critical reaction.

Interesting point and also interesting that you would pick rap as the example.

I get it if someone is a bit of a flake and they're outside a concert with a poster complaining about satan's music and being obnoxious or something. But there are lots of things I can say I dislike and it's totally normal.

If I say I hate broccoli, someone might laugh and say "how can you say that? Broccoli is great!" But nobody gets upset that I hate broccoli. It's socially okay to hate broccoli. Unless maybe some PETA extremist calls me a closed minded anti-broccolist nature murderer or something.

So why is rap-hating any different? There are people who don't want it to be socially okay to hate rap and I'm interested why. Are they just like extremist vegans? If so there is an old saying that it is important to be disliked by the right people. But why do some people take it personally if you hate rap as much as broccoli.

 

[bankside]

Mitchy,
I take it by straight acting you don't mean you enjoy licking pussy...munching minge...pearl necklaces on lady fun bags...

So knowing that, what do you mean by it?

And the only answer I hear is "you know what I mean!...a normal bloke of course..."

That's where the problem starts. Because guys who like pussy may be common, but they don't get to define what a normal bloke is or what masculinity is, and we of all people don't have to treat them as though they have that right. There is no way to refer to everyday guy-ness as "straight" without undermining the equal standing we all have to define maleness, masculinity, etc.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Sorry for the delay in my reply. I was two hours late for bed last night and went to work this morning for my 9 hr shift.

You Rolyo, are flat-out the biggest hypocrite i have ever encountered on JUB. Not only are you a hypocrite, but you're a petulant one. You're an ignorant one. And you're a pretentious one too.

You claim that you're here, open for a discussion, and that it's other people failing to listen to you. Yet you're entry into this thread was not one of someone giving an amiable opinion, it was the harshest rhetoric towards other members of the gay community, describing how you loathe them. Since you are not new to JUB, and this topic aint a new one either, you would have known full well that such rhetoric would have caused a grievance.
When straight-acting guys like myself have entered the thread to give our voice to the debate, you do nothing but dismiss how we feel, in favour of prioritizing what you deem to be the gay concensus about the usage of the term. Essentially you have no concern about how 'other' gay men feel. Your way is the right way and you're closed-minded about how anybody else happens to feel. It doesn't even stop you to think that in this thread of about how many unique posters? 30? 40?, that at least 10% of those self identify as straight-acting. But it doesn't matter to you, because like always, you know best, but then that's how most militant types are.
Its not SA guys picking a fight here, its the likes of you who insist on imposing your own belief. You WANT SA guys to think like you do, because that validates your god complex, and god help anyone who pipes up to say "well actually, this is how I see things". You're not prepared to just accept or even tolerate, truly ironic, and this is proven by a comment you made in this last post to me, where you refer to this debate as an ARGUMENT. That's what drives you, you love being able to ankle-bite at posters that differ in opinion with. Half the reason i don't bother to respond to you in other threads.

You decry vehemently the use of the term SA as being wrong because it propogates a harmful stereotype that straight = masculine, completely ignoring that A) in GENERAL, that's simple truth, that B), you want me to prove how i'm NOT harming you by using the term instead of YOU, who is arguing against it, explaining at all how it actually does cause you any harm, other than it leaves a bitter thought in your mind about potential interpretation, which by the way is very variable as this thread shows, and C), that you complain against negative stereotyping ONLY when it suits you to do so. I've mentioned this before i know, but its worth repeating because it proves you're a hypocrite. You quite happily in numerous threads before now, referred to heterosexuals as breeders. That's hardly propagating a positive stereotype now is it? Yet that's ok to you.

And consistently you seek to undermine other gay men by justifying femme traits and behaviours on one hand, whilst dissmissing any counter-culture as being a problem to the other. Its a problem because you CHOOSE it to be, not because it actually is. It doesn't matter how many SA guys stand up in this thread and try to explain how the terminology feels right for THEM, for ME, and why you shouldn't be so virulently against not just the term, but the guys who have adopted it (loathe them you said), because it doesn't mean or represent to us what you say it does, nor does it affect you in any way that you can factually prove. Its not SA guys propogating homophobia, its YOU.

Enough said as far as i'm concerned. I'm straight-acting. You don't like it, we get it. What else is there.

Wow. Well Said !!!

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

amazin apes maks a new 1s ans nose idea recipe use
* ooh *
cumsquats too
_ awsum _

Unis rush ta buy new butt wipes

ha

 

[Rolyo85]

...what?

You're making even less sense than usual.

-d-

I always make sense. Don't blame me if you can't get a simple concept.

Whether you like or dislike femmy guys is an ENTIRELY different set of issues than whether you describe your masculinity and relationship to the gay scene as "Straight acting".

To say the two are the same argument is kinda like saying hating black people is the same issue as being against gun control.