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I'm depressed about people's poor choices

I think you're over-reacting to me a little. I'll have to re-read this tortuous thread to see the sense of it. If any.
 
charity and religion can be separable.

it's when religion thinks that the only way to give charity is if you believe in the same god.

why not just help.

and if you don't and won't convert then fuck off. Do you think that HIV people be they whores, gays, or drug users will get a dime from a charity of the southern baptist faith unless the evil doer converts? Thus is the reason collected taxes must be distributed by the government and split secular and impartially .
Even if charities could ever have enough money in just one city to help half of the needs of those in peril they would discriminate. Terri Schiavo lived for over a decade in the HOSPICE with volunteers doing many chores in her daily upkeep and still the clock ticked over $250,000 a yr outside of medical for her life. She occupied one bed in a small 12 bed hospice. Yet the right wants to cut Medicaid and thats what paid for her extended stay against her will.
 
Not a competition. You prodded and prodded to make me state mine.

Now you've insisted that your generosity went unappreciated. You still haven't said what that was.

I get the vibe you're just saying that to justify being tight. You dismiss the charity of others, dismiss the needs of others and seem to have fabricated a story about how your own supposed generosity was a bad idea.

All I can see is someone who is tight, and mean spirited about others. You keep calling on others to prove their generosity without revealing your own.

Pat, you're sounding tighter than a kangaroo's vjj. Just admit it and stop trying to drag everyone to your level.

I run into this bullshit every day from mean cheap-skates more interested in laying up personal treasure than helping others. They figure their taxes are some kind of enforced charity so it relieves them of any further need to open up their wallets. Makes me fucking crazy. Or throwing 5 bucks at a charity trying to raise millions somehow makes them a major donor. If people can't afford to give money then give time and if you can't afford either then I am sorrier for you than the people or causes who need charitable giving to survive.

I just wish that the malevolent and un-giving would stop fucking trying to sound all noble and self-righteously justified when trying to explain why they are such cheap cunts.
 
Unfortunately, you have it very wrong. Southern Baptists actively support food banks, shelters, missions, and other charities that simply give to the poor. They don't have any particular outreach to AIDS patients, but they don't exclude them either.

Assuming what is true about charities and knowing the facts are two different things.

All rock fans aren't dopers, and Fundamentalist churches aren't the caricatures depicted in the movies.

There is much I disagree with when it comes to Southern Baptists, but that doesn't mean making up lies about them just to suit bigoted views. They give lots to the poor and are often the first to show in disaster relief like hurricanes on the gulf coast. They just as readily cut up a fallen tree off a gay man's home as a granny's. Saying otherwise is just not knowing the subject matter.

And, whereas they might well try to "witness" to someone in a soup kitchen, they by no means withhold food as a sectarian precondition.

I second this. The only churches I've seen give help only to their own were Pentecostal and so far out on a limb they were barely Christian.
 
But God has His Cosmic Ledger. God knows Everything, Pete.

Did you a JUBber yesterday mentioned 'the S word'?

Yes, 21st-Century JUBbers still believe in Sin.

I don't believe in Sin...... now go find out which jubber was that but it was not me.
 
I've read some good things on here.
Those who play in my general sandbox know what my regular charitable doings are.
I give what I can - which is never as much as I'd like.

But, I also don't do it to toot my horn - our former pastor always wanted to thank people in the bulletin or newsletter, which feels so much like Letting the Left Hand know what the Right was doing - which we aren't supposed to do - but his goal was to make sure people knew how many contributed in what ways to help encourage others to help where they could.

Our parish was founded with a charter that says that we tithe to the poor - over and above all of the church mandates for this, that, and the other thing. From our Good Sam(aritan) committee's stewardship, we've been helping a Brasilian Orphan organisation run by a priest from the Rochester area for the past 25-30+ years, as well as local shelters, etc. We have a fairly rich history of reaching out and investing of ourselves. Several parish members flew to New Orleans after Katrina to help rebuild.

We have to look at ourselves in the mirror each day.
The Lord will have a chat with us on the appointed day.
What happens in between is up to us.

I don't judge people that way - I don't know their circumstances.
And, no, you don't have to be religious to be a good person.
 
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