Op-Ed Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

[Kulindahr]

I don't think you know a single thing about this deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...deal-what-are-the-terms-of-the-agreement.html

the deal does plenty, and the worst sanctions are still in place.

The biggest piece is that inspectors get to show up daily.

its only a first step too, but it totally halts any possible weaponization of uranium or plutonium. so when you say it does nothing, it only makes you look like a complete moron

Actually, that's any known weaponization -- it's still possible they may have hidden facilities.

 

[T-Rexx]

Why did you go to the extreme? In no way did I say I wanted to go to war with Iran.

You object to a peace treaty with Iran.

The only alternative to peace is war.

If you read what I wrote, I was asking what 'the agreement' did for the west .. it does a lot for Iran .. but I don't see anything he does for us.

You have been quite clear. The peace "agreement" with Iran does nothing "for us."

It is obvious you want war with Iran. You find the peace deal objectionable.

Peace, in your view, is only beneficial to Iran. As you say, "It does a lot for Iran." But you "don't see anything" that it "does for us."

It is my experience that Republicans do not like agreements with foreign powers that do not involve war. Peace is not a Republican value. Every Republican president over the past 33 years has found it necessary to attack someone.

Possibly you can answer that.

Possibly I can answer what peace does for the USA?

Do you really need primer on the value of peace?

Don't worry, liberals and democrats have won the war on causing the most deaths -- almost 60 million babies have died during the last 60 years in the USA of liberal and democrat ideology.

Good grief!

This thread is about Iran, not abortion!

Did you know that abortion is illegal in Iran? Evidently, you support Muslim fundamentalist values. The Ayatollah and the Tea Party are ideologically the same. You advocate the same religious theocracy for the USA that Iran enjoys today. You seem to be a great admirer of their way of life.

 

[Kulindahr]

Good grief!

This thread is about Iran, not abortion!

Gotta wonder what page of the "How to change the subject" manual that's on....

 

[Alnitak]

Actually, that's any known weaponization -- it's still possible they may have hidden facilities.

That information would have leaked by now, or the US and Israeli governments know about them and aren't revealing that they know (quite likely). We have rooms full of spies whom pore over satellite photos looking for the telltale signs of nuclear industry.

Good grief!

This thread is about Iran, not abortion!

Agreed. Totally off topic, but that is how the pro-life movement genuinely views the issue from their side.

 

[Kulindahr]

That information would have leaked by now, or the US and Israeli governments know about them and aren't revealing that they know (quite likely). We have rooms full of spies whom pore over satellite photos looking for the telltale signs of nuclear industry.

Looking for signs of NORMAL nuclear industry. What's needed to put together a basic but crude bomb could be done totally out of sight. Granted, it would hardly be military-scale, but it could be done.

Agreed. Totally off topic, but that is how the pro-life movement genuinely views the issue from their side.

And that's worth remembering -- it's a radical difference in world-views.

 

[Jack Springer]

No takers?

What if Obama came on national TV with 50 people of different racial backgrounds and gender standing behind him and he said that Iran has been lying and they have not been working on a bomb after all. He tells us that it's all just a misunderstanding and that he's been invited to visit Tehran in the spring.

 

[Jack Springer]

I don't think you know a single thing about this deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...deal-what-are-the-terms-of-the-agreement.html

the deal does plenty, and the worst sanctions are still in place.

its only a first step too, but it totally halts any possible weaponization of uranium or plutonium. so when you say it does nothing, it only makes you look like a complete moron

Can you utter a sentence without degrading others? Learn some manners.

I suggest you reread the article. The article talks in platitudes -- not reality.

 

[Jack Springer]

No, I'm better informed....than you.

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Encore..........................

You didn't answer or support your claim. You follow blindly.

 

[Jack Springer]

You object to a peace treaty with Iran.

The only alternative to peace is war.




You have been quite clear. The peace "agreement" with Iran does nothing "for us."

It is obvious you want war with Iran. You find the peace deal objectionable.

Peace, in your view, is only beneficial to Iran. As you say, "It does a lot for Iran." But you "don't see anything" that it "does for us."

It is my experience that Republicans do not like agreements with foreign powers that do not involve war. Peace is not a Republican value. Every Republican president over the past 33 years has found it necessary to attack someone.




Possibly I can answer what peace does for the USA?

Do you really need primer on the value of peace?




Good grief!

This thread is about Iran, not abortion!

Did you know that abortion is illegal in Iran? Evidently, you support Muslim fundamentalist values. The Ayatollah and the Tea Party are ideologically the same. You advocate the same religious theocracy for the USA that Iran enjoys today. You seem to be a great admirer of their way of life.

Are we at peace or at war with North Korea?

You still can't answer anything the west got for the agreement - because we got nothing. Iran is moving full speed ahead.

Peace means peace for everyone -- including young children.

 

[Kulindahr]

What if Obama came on national TV with 50 people of different racial backgrounds and gender standing behind him and he said that Iran has been lying and they have not been working on a bomb after all. He tells us that it's all just a misunderstanding and that he's been invited to visit Tehran in the spring.

Try responding to the question.

 

[Kulindahr]

I suggest you reread the article. The article talks in platitudes -- not reality.

Bullshit, Jack -- the article is full of specifics.

 

[Kulindahr]

Are we at peace or at war with North Korea?

Heh -- good catch. There's lots of room in between.

You still can't answer anything the west got for the agreement - because we got nothing. Iran is moving full speed ahead.

Only in the fantasies of those who didn't (or refuse to) read. There are some very specific items in there that will at the very least slow Iran down. I'm not convinced they can't get around it, but it does seem sufficient to cripple any serious program to produce militarily useful weapons.

Peace means peace for everyone -- including young children.

That's something the GOP opposes over and over in domestic policy, and foreign as well. You want peace for children? Let's start in this country, first by raising the individual exemption (in federal income taxes) to the poverty level, and then passing legislation to let kids dragged to this country by their parents be Americans (as they actually are anyway), and then raise taxes back to a good conservative level sufficient to actually deal with the debt.

Otherwise you just prove what the liberals claim: those of the GOP love the unborn, but hate actual children.

 

[Jack Springer]

Bullshit, Jack -- the article is full of specifics.

I gave my idea. Ignore that they have the bomb.

Obama is ignoring that the Syrian war is still going on and that the healthcare.gov web site is working and secure. He also ignored that the US won a victory in Iraq and wasted the peace.

 

[Jack Springer]

Heh -- good catch. There's lots of room in between.



Only in the fantasies of those who didn't (or refuse to) read. There are some very specific items in there that will at the very least slow Iran down. I'm not convinced they can't get around it, but it does seem sufficient to cripple any serious program to produce militarily useful weapons.



That's something the GOP opposes over and over in domestic policy, and foreign as well. You want peace for children? Let's start in this country, first by raising the individual exemption (in federal income taxes) to the poverty level, and then passing legislation to let kids dragged to this country by their parents be Americans (as they actually are anyway), and then raise taxes back to a good conservative level sufficient to actually deal with the debt.

Otherwise you just prove what the liberals claim: those of the GOP love the unborn, but hate actual children.

You're getting very good with the typical liberal talking points.

 

[Benvolio]

the sanctions on iran are the most severe in history by a large margin

again, right wingers, you are clueless. you've been lied to by fox news and your awful right wing blogs, about basically everything. this is what they call the conservative bubble, where you believe in a totally different 'reality' than what exists.

The problem is that by applying the sanctions gradually we gave them too much time. Now we are relaxing them. Do you seriously believe Iran has slowed it's development of the bomb?

 

[T-Rexx]

Are we at peace or at war with North Korea?

What does that have to do with the deal with Iran?

You still can't answer anything the west got for the agreement - because we got nothing.

Of course I can answer what the west got for the agreement.

First, we get peace. It's interesting to me that you Republicans always regard "peace" as "nothing." It strikes me as a valuable thing.

But the deal also halts the installation of new centrifuges in Iran used to enrich uranium. It caps the amount and type of enriched uranium that Iran is allowed to produce. It halts work on Iran's heavy-water reactor. It allows inspectors much, much greater access to Iran's nuclear facilities to monitor compliance.

I can see why you Republicans regard all of this as "nothing," however. Nothing gets blown up, nothing gets attacked, and nobody dies. Republicans cannot abide an agreement that does not result in at least a few deaths.

Iran is moving full speed ahead.

Iran moving ahead full speed is what has been happening without the agreement.

Do you believe that Iran would stop development of a bomb if there was no deal?

Peace means peace for everyone -- including young children.

Yes, of course it does. And peace is something your political party objects to.

 

[kallipolis]

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But the deal also halts the installation of new centrifuges in Iran used to enrich uranium. It caps the amount and type of enriched uranium that Iran is allowed to produce. It halts work on Iran's heavy-water reactor. It allows inspectors much, much greater access to Iran's nuclear facilities to monitor compliance.

Well noted..................

 

[opinterph]

… the deal … caps the amount and type of enriched uranium that Iran is allowed to produce.

Iran will also dilute its existing stockpile of 20% enriched uranium.

 

[Kulindahr]

I gave my idea. Ignore that they have the bomb.

Obama is ignoring that the Syrian war is still going on and that the healthcare.gov web site is working and secure. He also ignored that the US won a victory in Iraq and wasted the peace.

What the frak do those statements have to do with the post you were supposedly responding to?

Answer: nothing.

So you attempt to defend your bullshit by changing the subject.

Or were you responding to a different post than the one you quoted???

 

[Kulindahr]

You're getting very good with the typical liberal talking points.

I don't know anything about liberal talking points. I do know that I've done a heck of a lot of studying of economics since I've been on this board, and found what GOP policies actually do, as opposed to what the politicians say they do. And I also actually read articles, which apparently you didn't, because you were dead wrong about the latest one.