Op-Ed Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

[Kulindahr]

How many times have they 'dropped in' since the agreement?

You really aren't reading any of the links provided, are you?

 

[Benvolio]

Why? Are they inherently evil?

Evil, yes. Inherently so, no.

 

[CTorontoC]

^I am well aware that the more hawkish apologists of Israel are very concerned that their traditional allies are assuming a much more engaging policy with Iran....a policy that I believe will lessen tensions throughout the Middle East....meantime, your personal opinion is noted.

You don't need to re-state your hatred of Israel, you've made it very clear you are on Iran's side and would like to see it wiped off the map. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I am Canadian, a far better breed. I think both of your political parties are nearsighted and do your country more harm than good.

Yes.....the proof is available to those nations that have chosen to engage with Iran...including your own....I do not work for the CIA, or MI6 therefore cannot provide you with the quality of intelligence that you are demanding.

... A thing cannot be proof of itself.. unless you've invented an entirely new form of logic I've never heard of... Reaching a deal does not prove that the deal works... Again, I fail to see how Western states engaging Iran is proof of anything... It's proof these governments are willing to try, perhaps that they are naive but other than that it proves nothing. Rohani went on a charm offensive and they bought it. Only time will tell if anything meaningful has happened here. Stop putting the wagon before the horse.

No takers?

The sanctions were never given a chance to work. Had they been continued or even strengthened, the stranglehold of the Ayatollahs and the Republican Guard would have been lessened, allowing revolution from within as I said before. Other than that, it's obvious there were no other options available outside of assassination of their leaders or bombing their nuclear facilities. Yes people would die, but my feeling is a lot more will die as a result of this deal. Specifically, people kallipolis would seem glad to see dead. Israeli lives are worth nothing right?

No, I'm better informed....than you.

Nope, just more arrogant and ignorant !

You object to a peace treaty with Iran

Last I checked, a state of war had not been declared between the U.S. and Iran. You don't sign a peace treaty unless you first declare war...

In reality, this will likely turn out just like it did when the U.S. "engaged" North Korea. They played nice until they'd developed their bombs, then turned up the Rhetoric again. The sanctions had to be tightened again anyways, only now N. Korea has nuclear weapons. Mission success??

5% enrichment is required for nuclear power... 20% enrichment is what they were at... Why were they enriching past 5% if their program was peaceful? What are they going to do with the stockpiles of fissile materials they already have? A nuclear bomb doesn't have to be assembled in the same facility the radioactive material is produced in. Who's to say they're going to convert the entire lot to oxide? They haven't given anyone any reason to trust them in the past. What, besides the figurehead, has changed? Arak was not discovered until long after it had already been under construction. That it was discovered, does not mean there isn't one which has not been.

I haven't read the article in the Telegraph, but I do find it interesting that people here are basing entire arguments and continued debate on one single article from a U.K. newspaper. Is that really what passes as due diligence here? The facts of the deal are public knowledge, anything else, ie. how effective they will be, what effect they'll have on Iran etc. is mere speculation and opinion.

Personally, there's nothing I'd like to see more than Iran, and all of the Middle East pulled into the collective of civilized nations but I'm not going to just assume everything will be peachy keen now that this deal has been reached. History has shown us that many such deals can be reached and have little if any effect on the situation on the ground. Rapprochement with China came because the Americans realized they could never beat China militarily and that was the only option. China also ALREADY had nuclear bombs at the time and were more dangerous as an enemy than a frienemy. That hasn't stopped the Chinese from continuing horrible abuses of human rights or egregious destruction of the environment. I'm not even going to get started on the mess that is Russia.. or how vastly different that situation was to this one.

Even if this deal achieves everything it set out to, even the Iranian government dismantles all of their facilities entirely and Rohani dances on their rubble .. Iran STILL wouldn't be what we call civilized. There would still be state-sanctioned persecution of minorities, there would still be the support they give to the massacre in Syria, there would still be the money they funnel to terrorist organizations, there would still be a theocratic authoritarian government in place which has no legitimacy whatsoever and has brutally repressed any attempt to change said government. At the end of the day the only solution to this stand off is for the Iranian regime to change or be changed. The will of the Iranian people, if expressed in politics, would, I believe, preclude the development of any such weapons. Rule by the people generally tends away from war. Two democracies have never gone to war, and if Iran became a democracy, they would undoubtedly continue to have disagreements with the West but they'd use words, not weapons.

I'd love for this deal to work.. but unlike some, I won't assume it's going to JUST because my political party happened to be behind it. I also won't just dismiss the deal because it comes from a political party I don't ascribe to. I leave that sort of lunacy to Americans and their two party system. I just don't trust Iran, and don't see any reason why I should. These sorts of people are practiced in double-talk and duplicity and we should be weary of any deal struck with them. Not doing so could end up costing more lives than we'd be saving by avoiding a war.

 

[Kulindahr]

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Yeah, I don't know if it will work or not. Part of me doesn't care; that part of the world has been such a pain for so long I sometimes wish it would just vanish.

 

[CTorontoC]

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Yeah, I don't know if it will work or not. Part of me doesn't care; that part of the world has been such a pain for so long I sometimes wish it would just vanish.

It would certainly allow about 90% of the rest of the world to focus more on domestic issues, or the pox that is Russia if that did happen .

Did I mention how much I F'in hate RUSSIA!

 

[Kulindahr]

It would certainly allow about 90% of the rest of the world to focus more on domestic issues, or the pox that is Russia if that did happen .

Did I mention how much I F'in hate RUSSIA!

I think straightening out Africa would come before fixing Russia.

 

[Rolyo85]

Evil, yes. Inherently so, no.

Well, Springer seems to think that it's more important to them to lie to the world and build the damn thing than to actually live normal lives as part of the international community. That makes them pretty darn evil.