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Iraq - not ALL is bad

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Good op piece in the NY Post today - about how you only hear negative and one-sided pieces out of Iraq - things are not always as reported


IRAQ: WHY THE MEDIA MISSTEP

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January 15, 2007 -- JUST outside Um al-Qasar, a port in south east Iraq, a crowd had gathered around a British armored car with a crew of four. An argument seemed to be heating up through an interpreter.
The interpreter told the Brits that the crowd was angry and wanted U.K. forces out of Iraq. But then a Kuwaiti representative of Amnesty International, accompanied by a journalist friend, approached - and found the crowd to be concerned about something quite different.
The real dispute? The day before, a British armored vehicle had an accident with a local taxi; now the cab's owner, backed by a few friends, was asking the Brits to speed up compensating him. Did these Iraqis want the Brits to leave, as the interpreter pretended? No, they shouted, a thousand times no!
So why did the interpreter inject that idea into the dialogue? Shaken, he tried a number of evasions: Well, had the Brits not been in Iraq, there wouldn't have been an accident in the first place. And, in any case, he knows that most Iraqis don't want foreign troops . . .
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Since 2003, Iraq has experienced countless similar scenes, with interpreters, guides and "fixers" projecting their views and prejudices into the dialogue between Iraqis and the outside world.
Immediately after liberation, interpreting and "fixing" for the Coalition and for hundreds of foreign media people became a cottage industry, employing thousands. Most of those were former Ba'athist officials, often from the Ministry of Information or media companies owned by Saddam Hussein and his relatives. Some tried to curry favor with the new masters; others decided to wage political guerrilla war against the "invaders" by misleading them. Both ended up offering a twisted view of post-liberation Iraq. The industry geared itself to meeting demand. In 2004, for example, many journalists coming to Baghdad wanted to interview the "militants" who were attacking U.S. soldiers. The industry obliged by arranging
January 15, 2007 -- CONTINUED

One popular interviewee was one "Abu Muhammad," who claimed to be a fisherman by day and "a killer of Americans" by night. One U.K. paper paid $2,000 (a tidy sum in the cash-starved Baghdad of those days) for an exclusive with Abu Muhammad, who later took up a full chapter in a book published in London. The scam ended when someone found out that Abu Muhammad was, in fact, a busboy at a local hotel who'd grown a beard and was "fishing" Western journalists, splitting the proceeds with his cousin, who acted as interpreter and guide.
From 2004 onward, the situation improved. A new generation of Iraqi journalists with no Ba'athist background started to help Western colleagues. And Americans and Brits began hiring interpreters from outside Iraq, notably from ethnic Arab communities back home.
The new interpreters had some handicaps: They did not understand many Iraqi expressions and nuances; and Iraqis recognized them as non-Iraqis and were suspicious. Still, they were an improvement, for few had hidden agendas.
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Covering Iraq has never been easy. The country had been closed to global media since the 1950s. Few Western journalists had traveled there, and those few mostly did so under official supervision. The only American journalist one can think of who had systematically remained interested in and knowledgeable about Iraq, for 40 years, was The Washington Post's Jim Hoagland. Not knowing Iraq, having no contacts there and not speaking the local Arabic would be handicaps in the best of times. It was more so in the context of a controversial war.
From the start, the war was also waged in Western circles, with their pro- and anti-war camps. A newspaper that had opposed the war would not tolerate "positive reporting" from Baghdad. One young British reporter who didn't understand that was surprised to see himself shifted to Paris to become a European correspondent. He had made the mistake of reporting that Iraq looked almost like a success, given where it had come from. With the bulk of the media having opposed Saddam's ouster, negative reporting from Iraq became the norm. (Afghanistan gets a better press; Western elites are at worst ambivalent about the Taliban's fall.)
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Another problem is that Iraq has become the focus of anti-American passions. Millions want Iraq to fail so that the United States will be humiliated. And Iraqis watch satellite TV - including channels from Iran, Egypt and Qatar that make a point of presenting post-liberation Iraq as a tragic quagmire. When CNN and the BBC send a similar message, Iraqis can be persuaded that their country is lost.
Imagine a resident of, say, Mandali or Nasseriah, who is told day and night that Iraq is sinking in a sea of fire and blood. He looks around and sees no evidence of that - but one can't blame him if he thinks that what the media say must be true in other parts of Iraq.
The fact that more than 90 percent of the violence that dominates reporting from Iraq takes place in five neighborhoods in Baghdad, plus one of the 18 Iraqi provinces, is neither here nor there. The perception is that all of Iraq is lost.
The old rule in the news business still holds: "If it bleeds, it leads." Stories about suicide attacks and carnage are more attractive than boring stuff about the emergence of a pluralist political consciousness and the mushrooming of thousands of small businesses.
Even the violence can't be properly covered. Reporters have no access to those who cause it and can only guess at their motives.
For a Western journalist who speaks no Arabic and has no contacts in the country, there are two options: embed with a U.S. or British military unit, or rely on Iraqi aides. Being embedded means seeing things through a narrow, and necessarily biased, angle. Relying on hired Iraqis means becoming a secondhand dealer in information that one cannot verify.
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Last month, Iraq received the U.N.'s special environmental prize for reviving parts of the marshes drained by Saddam, thus saving one of the world's most precious ecological treasures. Almost no one in the media noticed.
Also last month, the Iraqi soccer squad reached the finals of the Asian Games - beating out Japan, China, South Korea and Iran. Again, few in the West noticed.
In 2006, almost 200 major reconstruction projects were officially completed and 4,000 new private companies registered in Iraq. But few seem interested in the return of private capitalism after nearly 50 years of Soviet-style control.
Iraq's new political life is either ignored or dismissed as irrelevant. The creation of political parties (some emerging from decades of clandestine life), the work of Iraq's parliament, the fact that it is almost the only Arab country where people are free to discuss politics to their hearts' content - these are of no interest to those determined to see Iraq as a disaster, as proof that toppling Saddam was a modern version of the original sin. Iraq may still become any of those things - but right now it is none of them. When the real history of the Iraq war is written, posterity might marvel at the way modern media were used to manufacture that original sin.
 
there is a good reason why that peice is considered an OP ED.

it cant be documented in any way

and i must add.... i hardly think that draining the swamps and winning a soccer game makes iraq a winner :rolleyes:
 
Ok I feel silly...The NY Post...who knew. The military press, that are not associated with the military but report for the audince of the military have reported ad nauseum about the progress in Iraq.
 
You belive what ya read in the left wing rags way too much. Iran will see confrontation but it wont be us that starts it. However due to our treaties we will become involved.
 
Good op piece in the NY Post today - about how you only hear negative and one-sided pieces out of Iraq - things are not always as reported

We can't help it that, as Stephen Colbert once said, reality has a strong liberal bias.

When the situation on the ground is a mess, then I would expect the media to report a mess.
 
I do not think that the New York Times can ever be documented . . . its history of the past several years is deplorably dishonest
 
You belive what ya read in the left wing rags way too much. Iran will see confrontation but it wont be us that starts it. However due to our treaties we will become involved.

I really doubt Iran will overtly start anything but what I'd like to know is what 'treaty obligations' are we talking about here?

Just a thought but I have real questions as to the ability of Iran or even Israel to project their military power.
 
Well, I was tipped of when the word invaders was put in quotation marks. What's to be confused about there. Troops from a foreign land entering a nation without invitation and with hostile intent. Yep. Sounds like invaders to me.

What a bunch of drivel.

I will agree that the media has been almost single-minded in its approach to Iraq. The leftists report almost exclusively the violence; the rightists the "look what we've done!" stories. It's most unfortunate that so few outlets are willing and/or able to report the objective reality of the situation. There are positive outcomes in Iraq, right along with the negatives.
 
Good op piece in the NY Post today - about how you only hear negative and one-sided pieces out of Iraq - things are not always as reported

You have got to be kidding me!!!! Over 3,000 American deaths and more than 60,000 Iraqi civilians killed and this bullshit story is supposed to convince us that everything is hunky-dorey in Iraq??? Have you completely lost your mind? ](*,)
 
Condi denied projected troop increases, she said they were "augmentations". She can call it whatever she wants, we're still "increasing' our troop strength.
Our Prez lied and we proudly went where we were led. The Prez calls us liberators, from an Iraqi perspective we are invaders, occupiers and murderers.
If the Sunni and Shiite Iraqis and the Kurds were capable of mutual trust, collaboration and cooperation they'd be working together to drive us out.
We eliminated Sadaam, his sons and many of his cronies, that's what Bush wanted and he got it.
It's time to get out.
 
Why's that regarding Israel? They had such a profound, sweeping success in Lebanon!

As for Iran, I don't see why they must project their military power as they so far are doing well enough with their current tactic. I'm thinking that the administration would like Iran to open up a traditional war, which I doubt Iran will bite. It's not in their national interest to be provoked.

I couldn't agree more. ..|

Iran will dare the U.S. to invade and if we're foolish enough to do it they will take a page out of the Iraqi insurgency playbook. The sad fact is that by allowing the insurgency to flower the U.S. military has designed the strategy of our future adversaries.
 
I'm thinking that the administration would like Iran to open up a traditional war, which I doubt Iran will bite. It's not in their national interest to be provoked.

I don't think the US is looking for a conventional ground war. Instead, I see them mounting small scale raids and air strikes on high value targets to mess up Iran's infrastructure and destabilize the government.
 
Nice post Chance. Despite the caterwalling of the hateful lefties here, the article hits right on. Who could argue that no good is coming from our efforts? There is evidence throughout Iraq, except in the eyes of those that hate this country.

Are there problems? Of course there are. It's war, and war is not simple, or clean. People wage war, and they can make mistakes in the battle field.

Military personnel are unanimous in knowing that they are serving to create a better Iraq. They see the positive results everyday. The points covered in the article are true. American forces are returning to serve additional tours because they see the good, and the good deserves fighting for. When we win, the Iraqi people will be no less grateful of our service men & their committment, as were the French & Italians, when liberation was finally a fact after WWII.

This enemy continues to bank on the strategy, first offered by Osama Bin laden, that they need only continue the blood bath to end American resolve. That America is weak, and that the American people will tire of a long war. They have found a very helpful, if unwitting ally, in the mainstream press. That strategy is working, as poll number clearly indicate.
 
what a load of twaddle

americans can say that they dislike the war and think that it is going badly because....

oh my

they actually believe that and have the right to say it :eek: and they love all america stands for .. free speech, rights of asembly....

saying that we hate america wins you no points in the debate, and furthers no cause that i can imagine other than the cause of keeping us all from reaching the point of at least respecting each other and our differences

Iraq IS GOING BADLY.... DUBYA SAID SO. condi said so. justice oconnor said so... james baker said so...

good lord

denying that reality is just loony and accusing people of hating america that want to talk about it so that a solution can be found is just so far away from american values that its un fathomable that it is repeated so much here.
 
Well, I was tipped of when the word invaders was put in quotation marks. What's to be confused about there. Troops from a foreign land entering a nation without invitation and with hostile intent. Yep. Sounds like invaders to me.

What a bunch of drivel.

I will agree that the media has been almost single-minded in its approach to Iraq. The leftists report almost exclusively the violence; the rightists the "look what we've done!" stories. It's most unfortunate that so few outlets are willing and/or able to report the objective reality of the situation. There are positive outcomes in Iraq, right along with the negatives.

What right wing papers would u be referring to?

And I don't recall reading many "look what we've done stories" - at least not look what good we've done stories

If you run by any, I'd love to read them

I think good news is a good thing
 
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And I don't recall reading many "look what we've done stories" - at least not look what good we've done stories

If you run by any, I'd love to read them

I think good news is a good thing

Well the United States Military Doesn't Mind ringing their own bell!

Check out this website!

Military News

The only "filters" that you're libel to get there are from "intelligence."

I can promise you, that you won't find many of these stories in either the "conservative" or "liberal" media!

..|

Some good stuff! Check it out!
 
What right wing papers would u be referring to?

And I don't recall reading many "look what we've done stories" - at least not look what good we've done stories

If you run by any, I'd love to read them

I think good news is a good thing

I'll take a guess that the poster was referring to the NY Post when mentioning right wing newspapers. I would also refer to the Mooney Washington Times as being just as guilty.

Let's look at this closely, ok? Why do you think you can't recall reading many "look at what we've done stories"? It's because there are very few. IThey don't exists because not much is going well in Iraq. Look at how much eloectricity they have each day compared to when Saddam was in power. Look at how high the unemployment rate is. It's not because of the media, dude.

Look at today. Over 100 people were killed from a car bomb outside of Baghdad University. And over 60 injured. 160 families that in one instant have their lives changed.

Can you imagine if that happened to me or you at school? Or at work? America is just as guilty with their Columbines and Oklahoma Cities which are domestic terrorism. Do you get my point?

This was an unjust war and the United States is making it worse for the Iraqi people. And also remember that Saddam was an ally of the US in 1982.

I beg you, please respond with non-Fox news and Rush Limbaugh talking points. Please do your own research and understand what many of us are talking about. We're not lying. We're not distorting the truth. Please....I'm reaching out.
 
Someone quoting the NY Post as a source for an op-ed defending the situation in Iraq? WOW. Delusional! Feel good stories from Iraq? Maybe if the journalists could be guaranteed that they won't be blown to hell while reporting them, or kidnapped or beheaded. Chance1, why don't you join up for your buddy Bush, then you can report from Baghdad.
 
Are there problems? Of course there are. It's war, and war is not simple, or clean. People wage war, and they can make mistakes in the battle field.

True enough but when you're almost 4 yrs into a war and just then discover that in order to win you need to take and hold territory one wonders where you were during the war 101 classes.


Co Bob said:
This enemy continues to bank on the strategy, first offered by Osama Bin laden, that they need only continue the blood bath to end American resolve. That America is weak, and that the American people will tire of a long war. They have found a very helpful, if unwitting ally, in the mainstream press. That strategy is working, as poll number clearly indicate.


The only people dying in Iraq in sufficient numbers to qualify as a bloodbath are Iraqi's. Why should Iraqi dead effect american resolve? I think you're right about the american people becoming weary of a long war and I hope in the future our leaders remember that when they decide where to use our military. But lets get our adjectives straight we're not weak in Iraq we're lazy. Yes its a tough job and its one that we prefer the Iraqi's do and when they don't we aren't exactly stepping into the breach.

Point all the fingers you want at the press if you don't examine the performance of our military you're likely to repeat the mistake elsewhere.
 
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