I wanted to find a jpg (they are so damn difficult to locate when you need one) of that Reeder work, but that might do even better.
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Is America the hope of the world?
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I wanted to find a jpg (they are so damn difficult to locate when you need one) of that Reeder work, but that might do even better.
If America is not the hope of the world no one is.
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The Scottish Enlightenment was inherently religious, so you're positing a false dichotomy.
Religion is not and never has been the problem, it's ideology. Humans can turn anything into ideology, and every time it's corrupt, tyrannical, and ultimately disastrous.
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I second that. Both major political parties now put greed and ideology ahead of the freedom the country once stood for. As a result, while the U.S. still has some of the best, it's like a buffet lunch where some was made by real chefs and some was made by amateurs.
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Tell that to Trayvon Martin.
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We aren't the best nation in the world. We have enormous potential, resources... the ideal of America is at its best something worth aspiring to, but we're nowhere near that yet. And we are regressing in crucial areas... what Benvolio and those sharing his philosophy se as great about America is absolutely far from it. If the GOP represents what's good about America, and what it stands for.. it's not an America I want to have anything to do with, and the world will pass, too. It isn't just Trump but the whole rotten GOP... and the Dems have a lot of reflection to do, I'm not letting them slide. One aspect of our progress is that the next generation will prosper more than the previous one, that the hard work and sacrifice of one's parents will result in a better world of opportunities for their children... is that something honestly we can say about this/next generation of Americans? Not in this America.
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If it were a line graph it would zig zag up and down slowly from the beginning, take a few considerable upward leaps then for the past few decades start trending downward again with upticks few and far between.
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^ America is a mere ingraft of Modern Europe: thought (religion), politics, finance, even the language, is merely a transplant of the best of Europe in a new espace where (swept the natives that were in their way) those principles could develop freely. The problem of America is that, instead of advancing where Europe left it, as it started developing on its own, it also developed its own ballast: all the American XIXth century is basically the Anti-XVIIIth century America, substitute Law and ecumenism for the Bible and the rule of the "GOod People".
To be fair you have to judge the US against the alternatives. There are no perfect places. You think blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims are mistreated, but they come and want to come by the millions because what we have is better than many other places. The same can be said of veterans, disabled, women, the poor orphans and different religions. And the opportunity is here for any of them to become enormously rich very quickly; far wealthier and far easier than any other place or time in history. And the opportunity is based upon their ability with few impediments.
The more critical question is how soon will we lose it.
Yeah, better slavery than death, isn't it. If some hate certain people so much, but they tolerate them for a while, it should make you wonder what benefit they are obtaining from tolerating those others... for that while.
If so many people want to go to America is not for what they ACTUALLY find, but for what they are SUPPOSED to find. We have a cheaper version of that over here in Europe, even in "sunny" Spain. The American Dream, or whatever is replacing it today, is a lottery (we all know they even have a particular system called precisely that way for certain particular cases, so it's not just a fancy metaphor): everybody is invited, even encouraged to buy a ticket, but not that many are welcomed to share a prize, let alone the bigger prize and, in fact, the less, the better; "American Dream" for everybody would be socialism, wouldn't it, and greed for everyone would mean the end of Gekko-capitalism.
There is no slavery. That illustrates the problem. You exaggerate the problems and ignore the good. In fact, America’s poor are better off than the affluent in many countries. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...an-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#4bb4a3b054ef
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It must say "stupid" on my forehead. I know YOU don't believe that, I'm not sure why you expect ME to believe it. Waaait, is this one of those "black people could live like kings in this country if they weren't so lazy and felonious" sorta things? This whole "Look at me, I'm a white guy and I got mine against the odds (umm, what odds?) so why can't women and brown people do the same?" routine is really getting old.
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