Is CE&P Getting Boring?

[White Eagle]

And that he has.

And if people can not ignore the guy, than here is an alternative. Just tell him, "yes, Nick. We all made a colossal blunder by electing Obama over Hillary Clinton. Obama is a complete moron and the world is ruined. George W. Bush was a better president than Obama.

What we really needed was a woman in charge so that all of us can get in touch with our feminine side and see things through the eyes of a female. The establishment candidate and the candidate lobbyists preferred was the way to go and all of our problems would have been solved if we only elected her."

Regardless of whether you believe any of that, just give him talking points along those lines and make him think you actually believe them. Then, his mission in life will be complete, and devoting hours upon hours upon hours of unpaid posting a week will fulfill his life and give him some sort of sense of purpose.

It's no question of whether it is obsessive/compulsive behavior. It is obsessive/compulsive behavior. And if you remove yourself from the equation, you are debating with maybe 15 posters in CE&P, not being paid, and the petty arguments mean absolutely nothing in the real world and nor will it accomplish anything.

It's rather entertaining, and I hate to say it, seeing someone destroy their own life on an internet forum.

 

[White Eagle]

Wow

A few members of JUB are aware that he was a close friend of mine, here in Boston. reading these words took my breath away. I came here and read his Memorial thread with his brother, and that was my first introduction to JUB. I knew he was an active member of online forums and that this was one of them, but I was never really motivated to join at length for any real discussion for my own personal reasons.

I understand what you mean.

He was a linguist, and a photographer. It wasn't how or what someone said or did that intrigued him, it was why. He believed that he could never really understand a language until he understood WHY someone spoke the way they did. He had to understand the culture to speak the languages, and he knew many languages. His compulsive nature was really fucking daunting to deal with in person. he truly studied people in a way that I have never seen another person ever do. Every gesture every inflection meant something in his eyes.

He asked questions to not only get an answer, and to see HOW someone would answer but then really try to figure out WHY they believed what they did. He was always ten steps ahead of me in any conversation we had because of that. There were very few of us who ever dared argue with him. Mostly I guess because he could not stop himself from engaging in that NEED to understand the why of people and events. He could not stop until some sort of mutual agreement was reached. He was a product of his culture and he never spoke to anyone unless he respected them. For him, arguing a point with someone was meant as a complement, and he had this weird cultural glitch... hard to describe... Once he engaged he felt it was an insult to him and against others for him to disengage until some real understanding occurred.

But lets be honest. He was also stubborn beyond imagination, strident in his personal convictions and religious beliefs, and vain in ways that wounded him beyond measure psychologically. His drive to understand others was equally matched by his absolute commitment to his prsonal ideology, and that was what killed him. He was wounded while he was in Iraq in the beginning of the war there and lived only to die by overtaxing his damaged heart by fasting during one of his holy months. He thought that was somehow noble. I thought it was just selfish.

I am a very bottom line kind of guy.

I can't see spending a moment on something that wont result in some real pragmatic sollution. He could sit and endlessly ponder a thing and that made me crazy. He could be gracious and charming beyond reason, and believe me he was a truly beautiful man physically, and he knew how to manipulate through that. and then he would turn on a dime and strike out at you verbally to the core with a viciousness unimaginable. He also used that understanding of people to weild an incredible cruelty. Then once he had torn you down, he would just as quickly build you up with charm and humor.

He was very complicated.

Even his personal computer cannot be unlocked. He had four security programs all in not only different languages, but in languages with different alphabets. No one has been able to get past two and no one has a clue what language he actually wrote that damned journal of his in. He spent an hour a day writing his thoughts for years and then made sure no one would ever know what he said.

you say that he dealt respect and he gave it. I agree.

He did that because he was convinced to the core that everyone was exactly and precisely equal as human beings in every way. He had a deep personal need to prove it to himself. Dreu cared about human beings. He would defend someone with a loyalty that never waivered, yet let you know privately that if you couldn't keep up with him it was because you were just not trying.

I've never met anyone like him before and I don't think I ever will again.

You have given me a whole new view of who Dreu was. I found him exciting and his posts were as well, and I was saddened when I heard he passed away. I didn't know he was wounded in Iraq. It makes me hate that war even more.
I am glad to hear that you were a personal friend of his. It gives me a whole new view of who you are.
Anyway, thanks for this post.

 

[Lostlover]

You're making too much of it. We'll never know why people are manchilds. Every time I talk in this forum it feels like I'm talking to damn kids. That explains some of my condescension at times.

you're missing my point entirely.

this thread is not about any kind of policy in the usa. It's about what we do as individuals to make the collective experience better as we talk about the issues, but not in anyway about any issues such as the one you have now mentioned consecutively three times.

this one note ideology often turns people off. or so the theory has been developed.

can you see what I mean?

Your post asks us to supply a reason for why people do things and then suggests that if your agenda item was resolved, this other guy would have different motives and act differently.

the truth is none of us have any real idea as to what the other person's motives are. Perhaps Nickole is a very wealthy retired man who has had great successes in his personal life, and now that he has time this is fun for him. perhaps he wants his ldeas to be heard. We will never know and it is all a big guess.

the cause here is of no consequence in any way. that is just his personal issue. It is the effect of bringing that agenda into any discussion no matter what that is the disruption. imstead of promoting participation and enjoyment it stops traffic to this site and this forum.

just addressing it here has brought people out that were lurking, to participate, and it caused at least one person that had quit the site completely to come back.

I have no doubt that if the owners and operators of the site GOT THIS that it would be addressed.

Hopefully that's whats happening right now.

 

[Lostlover]

You have given me a whole new view of who Dreu was. I found him exciting and his posts were as well, and I was saddened when I heard he passed away. I didn't know he was wounded in Iraq. It makes me hate that war even more.
I am glad to hear that you were a personal friend of his. It gives me a whole new view of who you are.
Anyway, thanks for this post.

Whoa! Who is dreu? I've been here four plus years and that isn't ringing a bell.

 

[bankside]

Andreus (Dreu) was a good sparring partner who contributed greatly to the richness of these forums. As well as I can judge for never having met Dreu offline, I think has been portrayed beautifully and accurately by BP in his strengths and weaknesses, and I'm sorry for his loss. Who knows what could have been prevented or not, but I got the sense I wasn't through talking with him, so I miss his presence as much for selfish reasons as anything.

 

[BostonPirate]

Andreus (Dreu) was a good sparring partner who contributed greatly to the richness of these forums. As well as I can judge for never having met Dreu offline, I think has been portrayed beautifully and accurately by BP in his strengths and weaknesses, and I'm sorry for his loss. Who knows what could have been prevented or not, but I got the sense I wasn't through talking with him, so I miss his presence as much for selfish reasons as anything.

Jockboy really reminds me of him ALOT.

I wish you guys could have met him. I know he met a few people from here In real life, but I dont think if he mentioned names I would have remembered. Chris was one I guess, but I disaproved of that whole relationship and so I never met the guy.

Mazdaboi struck me with his post because they are so different. Yet that would be someone that he would have been intrigued by.

maybe if we were a little more interested in why we all disagree and a little less about what we disagree about it would be the kind of fun he would have liked.

 

[JayHawk]

That is essentially what made a discussion with Dreu worthwhile. He was willing listen and accept a persons why for their point of view. It also made him very convincing.

See... we salvaged this thread with a talk of those who made this forum intriguing.

 

[palemale]

Partisan fights aren't necessarily boring. Partisan fights based on honest policy differences that one can argue and defend can be quite interesting because they often go beyond a single issue and deal with policy approaches to many issues.

I suppose one of the problems with politics today is that the Republicans are so discredited, even the Republicans in Congress don't want to argue their policies. How can we expect anyone here to do so?

It is also a problem that there are so few non-Americans here. Americans are woefully ignorant about foreign affairs. I'd love to discuss foreign politics and events. So, some of you Europeans, Canadians, Australians, Asians, start a thread!

 

[kallipolis]

I have noted BostonPirate's dedication to the memory of Andreus. I offer no comment on his fine words.

I lurked on this site for some months, before signing up, as a result of being impressed by the heroic attempts made by Andreus to fight his corner on any given topic.

I was also well aware that Andreus could also be his worst enemy, when winning the intellectual argument but alienating his opponent in the process. Andreus abused as many people as he befriended. Particularly the angry, bitter atheist who so enthusiastically blames their life's problems on religion. Islam never had a more determined evangelist on this site than Andreus.

The constant temporary bannings of Andreus drew much sympathy from me, and applause from those who disliked him with the hate reserved for their greatest enemy. Andreus dared to champion religion on an American-centric gay discussion board. That is undisguised heroism.

Andreus possessed all the vanities that are associated with the intellectually superior being, as often witnessed in the posts of those who live with the genius gene, otherwise known by various clinical descriptions.

Andreus often reminded us of his war wound, and then we were invited to share in his HIV positive journey. The sympathy factor became very apparent. Andreus won many friends as a result of sharing his feelings with us.

There remains the question, is Andreus dead?

A few of us believe that he faked his own death.

Andreus was a manipulative person who demonstrated many times that he could fool even his most ardent supporters into believing him. This is rather indicative of the genius gene revealing a little of its less than attractive features.

A poster calling himself Dimitri, a self declared brother of Andreus suddenly appeared on Hot Topics, writing in broken English to update us on the epilogue of his alleged brother's final days, demise and funeral.

Dimitri made occasional posts, and then in the middle of his - broken English - last post, he dramatically burst into the most skilful display of English that we have witnessed since the alleged demise of Andreus. This was Andreus in full bloom.

I rather enjoyed being fooled by Andreus. Does he still post here? I like to believe that he does. He is cleaver enough to disguise his many vanities. And of course not a few of us, myself included, loved him for all his vanities.

 

[bankside]

I have noted BostonPirate's dedication to the memory of Andreus. I offer no comment on his fine words.

LOL. If that is your effort at "no comment" I wonder how long your post would be if I asked you about the price of tea in China.

Anyway, I won't comment on your post™ but I will respond to something BP said:

Mostly I guess because he could not stop himself from engaging in that NEED to understand the why of people and events. He could not stop until some sort of mutual agreement was reached.

There was one clear limitation to that engagement, and one area where he didn't make an effort to achieve agreement, and that was in talking about atheism. He shied away from it, and this was at odds with his approach to any other conflict. He would only talk of it dismissively, and did not try to understand the sincere views of non-theists. It was apparent, and it was unnecessary, and the silliness of it let the wind out of any of the bombast he might have delivered at the time in trying to change the subject.

However, rather than be resolutely disappointed by this, and rather than embracing it as a counterintuitively delightful flaw that gives character to the man (the importance of "identity" is nothing like the importance of "ideas"), I shall just leave this little explanation of the sentiment behind my earlier post when I said

I got the sense I wasn't through talking with him, so I miss his presence as much for selfish reasons as anything.

Well in fact it wasn't just for selfish reasons. I had hoped that in time he would stop running from the subject and learn to engage on it so we could have a proper debate.

 

[kallipolis]

^I have made no comment on BostonPirate's reflection.

I trust that your misunderstanding has now been clarified.

 

[BostonPirate]

It sounds like he is the Elvis of JUB, that some people refuse to accept his death. Are there some of his friends in the city that still think that he may be out there as well.

Did I see his dead body with my own eyes? no.

But I can tell you that His brother is real, he did believe his brother was dead and came to get his brothers things on three separate stays here. He often spent time with me on the few times he came back to the states after his brothers death.

The kid would use basic translator programs as he was learning english and at times he just posted things without them. THere were also times when he asked me or one of our friends if we would fix his posts, as he did of his brother when he was still alive. if this decribes any discrepancy then that would have been what you sensed, and it is interesting that someone would have been driven to spend as much time on thinking about it as kallipolis seems to have. I think tht would serve the vanity of Dreu quite well.

I know these two things. He and his brother are two separate people and that I need to believe neither one of them would mislead me in the way you think he may have misled some of you.

I can tell you this... if you want to know what andreus decieved people about, I do know that answer, and it was not his health. it was his age. He was five to even years older than he would admit, a fact that I knew but always knew better than to confront him with..

I hope this helps you in some way resolve this within yourself and find peace.
if you need to find the truth within your own heart... he would never have walked away without finishing an argument, and his vanity would have made his ability to not tke credit for it imposible.

 

[kallipolis]

^Your opinion is well noted. Other posters known to me, (including myself), do not share your understandings.

 

[BostonPirate]

^Your opinion is well noted. Other posters known to me, (including myself), do not share your understandings.

dude, I saw the both of them and they are or were not the same people. In fact, I asked you once if you were close to alimos, because that is where his brother lives, but now refuses to interact with any of us now.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I was one of those moderators that was constantly banning Dreu.

It's true, he could wear you down.

I still have a personal file folder containing the PM exchanges that he and I shared during many of our heated debates.

Overtime we did become friends outside of CE&P, and we learned to genuinely respect each other, not as Poster/Moderator but was real people.

I've made friends here on JUB, and particularly from posters in CE&P, and I'm proud to say are now also my friends outside of JUB.

Many of whom I started out completely disagreeing with in regard to their politics.

CE&P hasn't found any strong posters to likes of General Alfie, and Andreus, who if anything gave this forum some real character, while at times being characters themselves.

That's not to say that CE&P doesn't have "characters" posting, we do.

There are some CE&P regulars who post here in CE&P, and have posted here for years who I believe still have the respect and admiration of many of us, not so much for their ideas or perspectives, but because of the level of respect that they show others in their posting styles.

There's also a "vocal minority" who want to do nothing more than to lob stinks bombs into threads, bait other members into posting responses, gang up on certain members for not towing what they perceive to be "the party line," and who consistently demonstrate that they're not interested in a true debate, or discussion of idea, but rather to press some outside talking points as if their own.

All the while truly not listening to what the other party is posting, or saying.

The CE&P thread archives go all the way back to January of 2006.

I invite any number of you to take a look at some of those threads, and the posters who created them who's names are now unfamiliar to many of you, and see why many of their posts remain to this day.

If we're going to honor those who no longer post here, then honor yourselves by honoring those who share an opposing position by at least trying to find out where they are coming from.

That's the real challenge and one that I've found personally rewarding.

 

[kallipolis]

dude, I saw the both of them and they are or were not the same people. In fact, I asked you once if you were close to alimos, because that is where his brother lives, but now refuses to interact with any of us now.

Dimitri's posts are still available for examination under Mitri T.

The construction of Dimitri's posts were deliberately configured to mislead the reader into believing that his written English was poor. There were occasions when those posts betrayed a much more articulate writer in the English language.

Dimitri often reminded his reader that his brother, Andreus was the religious person, and the Muslim. Yet there are posts from Dimitri defending religion, and Islam.

On several occasions Andreus informed us that his late mother was a Bosnian Muslim. Dimitri informs us that she was a Persian. Dimitri informs us that Andreus was buried with his mother in Split. Split is a city in Croatia. That Andreus is alleged to have died in Athens, Greece would indicate that his Greek father would have had him buried in Greece, even in a Muslim cemetary. There are many Muslim cemetaries, or Muslim sections in Greek cemetaries.

There are too many questions, and too many inconsistencies surrounding the apparent demise of Andreus. The Elvis syndrome is not a pertinent factor among those us who have discussed this matter off board.

I do not post here to win arguments, score points or convert people to my line of thinking.

I will end this post by quoting a post from elvin1 - who is no fool, and rather like myself was suspicious enough to notice what others have noticed:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitri T
ok ok

I will wait to show you up if you need more time haha

December 27th, 2009, 08:38 PM #122 elvin1
milovaný





Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,716

Re: Look At Me! Look At Me! Look At Me!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitri T
ok ok

I will wait to show you up if you need more time haha


You know what's weird? Your English can be broken sometimes and perfect at other times.

 

[JayHawk]

Why argue it? Does it really matter? If Andreus deceided to severe his connections here through living a full life or through a decision he is gone.

If you refuse to have sympathy because you feel it was deceit then do so but what is the point of hashing it out? The man is dead to JUB.

I spoke with him on occasion outside of JUB and as I said he was intriguing. After BP put it the way he did then it would make sense that Dreu would want to study to understand me. I like wise tried to understand him. His religious fervor is well noted and yet his life and who he was was contrary to that religion. I think he saw a similarity between his devotion to Islam and my devotion to a country who fails to recognize me as a full human being with all the rights of any other. Maybe that was just my perception.

End of the day you know what Kallipoilis? That is my perception and it puts a smile on my face so what ever people think or whatever is reality has no bearing.

 

[kallipolis]

^No one is arguing. That is your misperception. Sympathy is not the issue. Nor has the word deceit been used by me.

The issue is that Andreus faked his death, and then resurrected himself on this board as his brother Dimitri.

I do not doubt for one minute that BostonPirate knew
both Andreus, and Dimitri.

What ever motives Andreus had for terminating his relationship with this board, as Andreus are his business.

Andreus is an enigmatic person. There lies the enigma.


Clarifying matters adds to our wealth of knowledge.

 

[laikaNYC]

Who the hell is Andreus?

 

[JayHawk]

^No one is arguing. That is your misperception. Sympathy is not the issue. Nor has the word deceit been used by me.

The issue is that Andreus faked his death, and then resurrected himself on this board as his brother Dimitri.

I do not doubt for one minute that BostonPirate knew
both Andreus, and Dimitri.

What ever motives Andreus had for terminating his relationship with this board, as Andreus are his business.

Andreus is an enigmatic person. There lies the enigma.


Clarifying matters adds to our wealth of knowledge.

My fault you sounded kind of bitter and desperate for people to believe what you believe. To me it does not matter. I received what good I could from my interactions with Andreus.

Who the hell is Andreus?

Andreus was an interesting character on this board well before you were and definitely before the republicans spun out of control into a dismal state of corruption and malfeasance.

Unfortunately for all of us the Democrats seem determined to not be outdone and I am sure as I predicted a year ago that more and more corruption charges will fall at the feet of the holy democrat