Is Net Neutrality Coming To An End in the USA? Find out December 14th, 2017

[Benvolio]

Why do you always defend all of the horrible things the Republicans do to Americans and somehow try to make us think that Obama is responsible?

Notice that what these things have in common is preserving freedom and reducing government control.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Republicans have opposed the government take over, l.e. mandated neutrality, all along. Any alleged fake comments, whoever faked them, are irrelevant. We also opposed Obama’s give away of the internet, and the FEC’s attempt to limit conservative political content.

Net Neutrality has been protecting the internet. It’s literally the opposite what you are talking about.

Thanks for being a reminder as to why I don’t participate in this part of the forum, by either derailing threads and/or making up shit all the time.

 

[gsdx]

Net Neutrality has been protecting the internet. It’s literally the opposite what you are talking about.

He has a knack of proving our arguments for us with his evidence.

 

[Benvolio]

Net Neutrality has been protecting the internet. It’s literally the opposite what you are talking about.

Thanks for being a reminder as to why I don’t participate in this part of the forum, by either derailing threads and/or making up shit all the time.

Government control of the internet is the opposite of protection: “Congress shall pess no Law abridging freedom of speech or the press.”

 

[cityboy-stl]

Knock it off Ben. You know damn good and well what net neutrality is and that it means neither the government nor big business ISP's control the internet. Net Neutrality means everyone has equal access at equal speed to everything on the internet. That means no control. So cut the troll bullshit about government control. It's factually wrong and YOU FUCKING KNOW IT.

 

[gsdx]

^ Indeed. Still, he hasn't much to say about 'freedom of the press' since his 'Man in DC' had hundreds of pages of information from existence on government websites. But I'm sure he has some good reason to explain that.

 

[72-Jay]

“Congress shall pess no Law abridging freedom of speech or the press.”

And just how does Net Neutrality abridge freedom of speech? or the press?

Any alleged fake comments, whoever faked them, are irrelevant. We also opposed Obama’s give away of the internet, and the FEC’s attempt to limit conservative political content.

I dislike the guy but I'll leave Obama out of this because its irrelevant...
I think everyone knows who's behind the fake comments: Its the big ISPs like comcrap. ... well technically its likely not --directly-- done by them. but by disconnected(business-wize) 3rd partys (probably even working from outside the US) so there's no easy way to trace it back.

 

[frankfrank]

And just how does Net Neutrality abridge freedom of speech? or the press?

Right now, the government can't censor free speech on the internet.
ISP's can't censor free speech, either, by throttling or slowing down bandwidth, or selectively refusing to let content through, etc.

PROPOSED:
The government can't censor free speech on the internet.
ISP's can, at will, refuse to allow content, play favorites with bandwidth speeds, etc.

Do we really want it so that all the corporations in the world can completely control what we see on the internet? Freedom of speech will be taken away by corporations, as surely as the most repressive dictatorships will. Everybody, WAKE UP.

 

[Kulindahr]

Community Map of cities with their own internet
https://muninetworks.org/communitymap

There was a measure here to allow our PUD (Public Utility District) to offer internet services. I don't know how it did.

 

[Kulindahr]

Those are one of the reasons that nothing will change December 14th: they are sufficient for small businesses to be granted an immediate injunction because there is plain evidence of the near-certainty of irreparable harm.

 

[Kulindahr]

The more politicized everything becomes the less faith I have that the right thing will be done. Once upon a time when Americans didn't like something they protested, they boycotted, they made their voices heard. Now there are so many distractions, like finding out what brand of toilet paper Kim Kardashian wipes her ass with, and taking 16,000,000 selfies a day that it seems most Americans just don't have the time (or the will) to inform themselves on these issues let alone participate in the process so big corps are always gonna get their way until it's too late.

For all the warning we've had, and this is ample time for a formidable response from the American public, I don't see as many people concerned about this as there should be. Naturally, in the modern American tradition, they're going to wait until AFTER this shit happens to bitch and moan and cry and wonder why nobody warned them.

I read that the FCC got over ten million public comments on the topic this time, almost all of them against it.

The problem isn't that people don't act, it's that the politicians are owned by the 0.25% and they literally do not care about the rest of us.

 

[Kulindahr]

What you are missing is that it is the democrats actively trying to control content on the internet. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/24/fec-democrat-pushes-controls-internet-political-sp/
I challenge you to find s Republican trying to control content.

I don't bother with sites that want me to turn off AdBlocker.

 

[Kulindahr]

How about all of them who are for getting rid of net neutrality? Net Neutrality is in place so corporations like Comcast can't control what you see and do, it got put in place because of things like Comcast throttling speeds on Netflix because it was competition. This is the kind of shit that would happen that a lot of Republicans want.

Either way, stop playing party fucking Politics all the time because this will fuck everyone if Net Neutrality is killed. Get over yourself.

And stop pretending that ending net neutrality in any way fosters liberty. What it really does is hand corporations the power to initiate coercion -- and that is anti-liberty.

 

[Kulindahr]

How is it going to be for small businesses which can't afford to get onto the 'fast track'? The big companies are going to benefit and the small businesses are going to lose out. Lost business equals lost jobs.

Ultimately, this will not be good for the economy, and the whole thing will wash over into Canada.

Yes. One of the appeals that's going to be filed will demonstrate how big companies have already used control of the internet to stifle small businesses, especially start-ups.

We call the internet the "information highway". Just as when the government built the interstates it boosted the economy, if the government were to build a public internet infrastructure it would do the same. Whether goods or information, free flow is the best way to prosperity.

Which points to total hypocrisy by the big telecom companies who bought the new policy: what they're proposing is no different than letting unelected officials in third world countries decide who gets to do business in their towns -- it is anti-free-market.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not when they're the ones paying the politicians.

If you follow the money, corporations aren't paying the politicians, they're just being used as tools by the wealthy so they can use other people's money to buy politicians instead of having to use their own.

 

[Kulindahr]

Eliminating regulations is eliminating or reducing control. Duh.

Changing the subject again, I see.

Try addressing his actual point.

 

[Kulindahr]

Read this in the local paper over the weekend: Full article:
Denver Post - Net neutrality process “corrupted” by fake comments
I don't think anyone should be surprised by such happening...

Wow -- other federal agencies lose hundreds of guns; the FCC loses thousands of complaints!

This is why a number of government functions need to be spun off to independent agencies: as long as they're government, they not only attract corruption but do so under the color of law.

 

[Kulindahr]

Republicans have opposed the government take over, l.e. mandated neutrality, all along. Any alleged fake comments, whoever faked them, are irrelevant. We also opposed Obama’s give away of the internet, and the FEC’s attempt to limit conservative political content.

I guess the mandated equality of the Constitution is "government takeover" of our liberty.

Your argument here is exactly the same as the liberal one, just flipped over and shaded differently to disguise the truth.

 

[Kulindahr]

Notice that what these things have in common is preserving freedom and reducing government control.

Sure -- mandating corporate feudalism is "freedom".

 

[Kulindahr]

Knock it off Ben. You know damn good and well what net neutrality is and that it means neither the government nor big business ISP's control the internet. Net Neutrality means everyone has equal access at equal speed to everything on the internet. That means no control. So cut the troll bullshit about government control. It's factually wrong and YOU FUCKING KNOW IT.

Just to ponder....

A free exchange of idea being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of open access to the internet shall not be infringed.