Islam: Rape Of Male Children As Told By A Survivor

[CowboyBob]

What a sad story about a horrid faith. I saw an article about an Islamic book being sold that detailed the best ways to beat and control your wife. Absolutely disgusting!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4207770,00.html

It's a terrible story about a kid being raped. It happened in Morocco where is may be predominantly Muslim, but where did it say about Islam sanctioning this?

There are plenty of terrible things happening to homosexuals in every culture. Can I assume Dead Corll who lived in a very Christian Texas means Christianity sanctions tying boys to a makeshift plywood pillory and killing them?

Stop the Islam bashing!

 

[Ninja108]

What an amazing person,especially in him not having hatred for those who abused him.

 

[Kulindahr]

It is more telling that the victim and author, gifted in his ability to write, is not as embittered as those who would be his champion.

Perhaps understanding and forgiveness are the fruits of understanding the world over, not the bitterness of idealogues.

The attack on Islam as an institution is both unfair and bigoted. They were men who committed the rapes; therefore, all men are rapists.

They were Moroccans; therefore all Moroccans are rapists.

I'm not denying any of cultural and religious drivers that shape a society, but the blanket condemnation of the entire religion reveals both an ignorance of truth and a desire to find a whipping boy for the world's ills.

If one considers the global pie chart, 89% of the world's 6.9 billion people are religious. Isn't it convenient to continually find one reason after another to hold contempt for 9 our of 10 people in the world?

Catholics clergy are all pedophiles.

Protestant preachers are all closeted homophobic queers.

Muslims are all pederasts and terrorists.

Shintoists are directly descended from blood-and-soil religion, responsible for the Rape of Nanking, and the Far Eastern version of the Holocaust.

Yet, when I walk about in the world, I don't encounter 9 out of 10 people whom I cannot respect. What a sheltered enclave I must inhabit . . .

What's the big idea, bringing common sense into this forum?

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Rape, spousal abuse, and child molestation are all clearly prohibited under Islamic law. Anyone who claims to perform such acts in the name of Islam is lying.

Ask yourself what Islam considers rape, or spousal abuse or child molestation and then compare them to what the law says about those in your country.

The BBC has this recent story from Morocco about a teenage rape victim who poisoned herself with rat poison after she was forced to marry the man who raped her (who recieved no punishedment from the court whatsoever).

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

The BBC has this recent story from Morocco about a teenage rape victim who poisoned herself with rat poison after she was forced to marry the man who raped her (who recieved no [STRIKE]punishedment[/STRIKE] from the court whatsoever).

Should, of course, be "punishment".

 

[freefall]

Rather than not blaming everyone, the author seems rather feelingless...as though he had long died since the nights he was 'utilised' and the person he is now is just a thin hollow shell, merely an exuviae of what he hadn't 'killed' to survive. Kinda creepy how the repetitious trauma changed him.

Rape, spousal abuse, and child molestation are all clearly prohibited under Islamic law. Anyone who claims to perform such acts in the name of Islam is lying.

This is a naive view of religions. There are far too many deviations and breaches that common sense no longer plays a role here.

The thing is, all those things happen simply because there is still no gender equity in most Islamic countries, especially in poor, less-educated places. Women are treated very lowly as if they were mere properties of the family, even children, and as soon as they were considered disgracing or has married, they are treated even worse. I don't really blame the erroneous paradigm; the Koran itself states men to have higher value to women, and those who don't understand the hidden meaning will just take it raw and use it as a shield for mistreating women.

As for abuse and homosexual rapes, it is often considered as punishments. Pretty much the same.

I wouldn't say the core of Islam teaching is wrong, but reflecting the actions, it is really hard to point out what is wrong.

 

[KaraBulut]

This is a naive view of religions. There are far too many deviations and breaches that common sense no longer plays a role here.

Most of what is being discussed here has no more to do with religion than the institutionalized rape of children by Catholic priests. Or the use of the Bible to justify slavery in the US during the 19th century. Or the current use of religion to justify anti-gay marriage referendums (which have been funded in the US by religious organizations like the Mormon church).

Cultural blind spots are interesting things. The same things go on in every country. The Muslim countries blame the Jews and the Christians. The Christian countries blame the Jews and the Muslims. It's always the other guys who have the problem, isn't it?

 

[BreakTheIce]

What a sad story about a horrid faith. I saw an article about an Islamic book being sold that detailed the best ways to beat and control your wife. Absolutely disgusting!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4207770,00.html

This confuses me though. I have some Muslim friends (who aren't super religious but don't call themselves atheists either so hey) who tell me that nowhere in the Quran does it allow you to beat and control women. In fact you have to treat them respect, at least that's what their prophets did.

So I don't get how modern day Muslims justify this. It seems to be just a case of either them being misinformed or just uneducated.

 

[Kulindahr]

Cultural blind spots are interesting things. The same things go on in every country. The Muslim countries blame the Jews and the Christians. The Christian countries blame the Jews and the Muslims. It's always the other guys who have the problem, isn't it?

There's something I love about Lutheran teaching: it emphasizes that every accusation the Bible makes applies to the reader. The Law is never to be used to accuse others, unless it is egregious public sin; it's always to be use to accuse one's own self, to ask, "How have I done this?"

In a church where that's applied consistently, it gets really hard to make it "the other guy" with the problem, because even if he does have one, the reflex is to turn the accusation first at yourself.

Too bad Martin Luther didn't become pope and fix the Roman Church, huh?

 

[Kulindahr]

This confuses me though. I have some Muslim friends (who aren't super religious but don't call themselves atheists either so hey) who tell me that nowhere in the Quran does it allow you to beat and control women. In fact you have to treat them respect, at least that's what their prophets did.

So I don't get how modern day Muslims justify this. It seems to be just a case of either them being misinformed or just uneducated.

Seventh-century Arab warlord attitudes transferred to modern times and set higher than Islam's teachings.

Which Mohammed, himself a terrorist, taught against.

<sigh>

 

[bankside]

Most of what is being discussed here has no more to do with religion than the institutionalized rape of children by Catholic priests. Or the use of the Bible to justify slavery in the US during the 19th century. Or the current use of religion to justify anti-gay marriage referendums (which have been funded in the US by religious organizations like the Mormon church).

Cultural blind spots are interesting things. The same things go on in every country. The Muslim countries blame the Jews and the Christians. The Christian countries blame the Jews and the Muslims. It's always the other guys who have the problem, isn't it?

There is such a thing as a "cultural blind spot" however. And those who proclaim the culture are responsible to correct it's blind spots. It is not wrong to call out a culture for its weaknesses, particularly when the weaknesses amount to rape. To the extent that rwandan culture set the stage for genocide, rwandan culture is worthless. To the extent that islamic culture sets the stage for treating women and gay men as worthy of sexual degradation, it is worthless. To the extent that 17th and 18th century british culture saw fit to exterminate the beothuk in Canada, british colonialist culture was worthless. The degree to which pre-war german culture permitted and supported the rise of naziism; worthless.

It isn't always the other guys who have the problem while "we" are problem-free. It's that some cultures have specific problems, and it's good to say so.

 

[hotatlboi]

There is such a thing as a "cultural blind spot" however. And those who proclaim the culture are responsible to correct it's blind spots. It is not wrong to call out a culture for its weaknesses, particularly when the weaknesses amount to rape. To the extent that rwandan culture set the stage for genocide, rwandan culture is worthless. To the extent that islamic culture sets the stage for treating women and gay men as worthy of sexual degradation, it is worthless. To the extent that 17th and 18th century british culture saw fit to exterminate the beothuk in Canada, british colonialist culture was worthless. The degree to which pre-war german culture permitted and supported the rise of naziism; worthless.

It isn't always the other guys who have the problem while "we" are problem-free. It's that some cultures have specific problems, and it's good to say so.

The problem is largely cultural, not religious.

Third world countries are simply not as evolved in their thinking. Muslims in western countries do not have a greater proclivity to rape as far as I know, and there are examples of predominantly Christian countries in the third world that have incredibly backward attitudes of persecution, such as Uganda.

However, even in the third world, I'm sure most Muslims do not engage in rape.

 

[geloge]

@ RaKroma

In Europe you can speak about girl rape in migrated communities, but when you dare to speak about boy rape, the say you're a racist.

A rape is a rape I don't know why the ethnic background or the religion is a relevant information when media report these cases.

And male rape is even more of a tabu than female rape. It doesn't mind if is a native western person or an inmigrant the one who commit it.

Touching story, it's great he is strong enough to talk about it.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...Repression often brings out the worst in human beings...

So how can we learn from this?

 

[Mariatenebre]

The Islamaphobes never miss a chance to slander 1 billion people. So shameful.

As I have said before Islamophobia dosen't exist. A religion that is homophobic has no right to claim a special phobia for themselves. Also we have a right to have and criticize any ideology especially religious ones. Further more for the people who say that this is not a Islamic problem. It is in Islam men are allowed to have sex with children as per Mohammed's marriage to Aisha. Now men are not allowed to have gay relations because of the homophobia and emphasis on procreation in the religion. However due to the gender apartheid mandated by Islam even though homosexuals are persecuted because of this homosexuality runs rampant. Polygyny also contributes to this as well.

But that's not what you did. Your comment was about their faith in general.

What you said is no different than if I were to say that Christianity is a horrid faith because of this guy.

Unless you seriously think that all Muslims are rapists (which would be even more ignorant and nonsensical) then you just insulted a billion people because of the actions of a few who share their faith that were especially heinous. It's the same shit we saw after 9/11.

Your suggestion that I support rapists is an equally offensive nugget, but one Islamophobes often turn to when confronted with the magnitude of their insults.

Christianity is a horrid faith because of the wicked things they advocate. As for Islam I don't think that all Muslims are rapists however Islam is very sympathetic to rapists and Islamic societies are a rapists paradise. Most Muslims act far better then their religion tells them too so do Christians. As for 9/11 our government did everything they could to prevent any supposed backlash against Islam after 9/11. Further more again with the bullshit term Islamophobia my previous comment stands. I also doubt you would use the word "Christianophobia" if someone criticized Christianity.

It's a terrible story about a kid being raped. It happened in Morocco where is may be predominantly Muslim, but where did it say about Islam sanctioning this?

There are plenty of terrible things happening to homosexuals in every culture. Can I assume Dead Corll who lived in a very Christian Texas means Christianity sanctions tying boys to a makeshift plywood pillory and killing them?

Stop the Islam bashing!

Islam sanctions the rape of children and while it does not sanction homosexual acts gender apartheid and polygyny make homosexuality run rampant in Islam. Islam deserves to be bashed. I could post verses from the Quran and Hadith which would make your hair stand on ends.

It is more telling that the victim and author, gifted in his ability to write, is not as embittered as those who would be his champion.

Perhaps understanding and forgiveness are the fruits of understanding the world over, not the bitterness of idealogues.

The attack on Islam as an institution is both unfair and bigoted. They were men who committed the rapes; therefore, all men are rapists.

They were Moroccans; therefore all Moroccans are rapists.

I'm not denying any of cultural and religious drivers that shape a society, but the blanket condemnation of the entire religion reveals both an ignorance of truth and a desire to find a whipping boy for the world's ills.

If one considers the global pie chart, 89% of the world's 6.9 billion people are religious. Isn't it convenient to continually find one reason after another to hold contempt for 9 our of 10 people in the world?

Catholics clergy are all pedophiles.

Protestant preachers are all closeted homophobic queers.

Muslims are all pederasts and terrorists.

Shintoists are directly descended from blood-and-soil religion, responsible for the Rape of Nanking, and the Far Eastern version of the Holocaust.

Yet, when I walk about in the world, I don't encounter 9 out of 10 people whom I cannot respect. What a sheltered enclave I must inhabit . . .

Islam attacks women, gays, disbelievers and allows atrocities. It should be bashed. Also while not all Muslims are pederasts and terrorists. The religion encourages pedophilia and terrorisn. Also while not all Catholic priests are pedophiles the celibacy in their religion enforces this. Also on Shintoism there is nothing in Shintoism that advocates the atrocities committed in WW2. That was purely cultural and had nothing to do with religion.

Rape, spousal abuse, and child molestation are all clearly prohibited under Islamic law. Anyone who claims to perform such acts in the name of Islam is lying.

This is a bald face lie. Rape is pretty much allowed in Islam. In Islam a woman needs four Muslim male witnesses in order to prove rape. If she can't bring forth the evidence then she will be punished. Also spousal abuse is allowed in Islam as men are given permission to beat their wives. As for pedophilia being prohibited tell that to Aisha who was fucked by Mohammed when she was 9 years old.

This confuses me though. I have some Muslim friends (who aren't super religious but don't call themselves atheists either so hey) who tell me that nowhere in the Quran does it allow you to beat and control women. In fact you have to treat them respect, at least that's what their prophets did.

So I don't get how modern day Muslims justify this. It seems to be just a case of either them being misinformed or just uneducated.

Oh really clearly neither of you have read the Quran because the Quran clearly advocates wife beating.

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

There's not one single thing we can do about it, Pat.

We can stop pretending that their culture is superior to our own.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Since when did I ever say such a thing? You put words in my mouth.

I didn't literally mean you or me, but I meant "we" as Western Civilization.

 

[geloge]

^ In Europe too

 

[Ram]

If this article was about Christianity, we won't think twice about attacking the religion. But when it comes to Islam, suddenly we can see the beauty of religion.

Modern Islam, like Modern Christianity, has a lot of contradictions. But unlike Christians, there is no open debate and there is no voicing out in the Muslim community. IMO, that's dangerous and detrimental in any society. The issues of rape and pedophilia and the way it is handled in the Muslim society (not including Muslim-majoirty nations with Brit laws) can only be tackled if more Muslims spoke out against it. Chances of that happening is probably close to impossible when the name of your religion means "submission".

 

[KaraBulut]

This confuses me though. I have some Muslim friends (who aren't super religious but don't call themselves atheists either so hey) who tell me that nowhere in the Quran does it allow you to beat and control women. In fact you have to treat them respect, at least that's what their prophets did.

So I don't get how modern day Muslims justify this. It seems to be just a case of either them being misinformed or just uneducated.

Um....

28. If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29. Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. Deuteronomy 22

It's okay to rape a virgin as long as you pay-off her father afterward.

9. And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. Leviticus 21

If a priest's daughter fucks around, burn her alive.

"7. And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. " Exodus 21

If you sell your daughter into slavery...


When we're talking about books written in another time and in another culture, you can find all sorts of crazy shit, especially when it comes to the way women are treated. This is what I'm talking about with cultural blindness- it's easy to see and be outraged when it's in someone else's sacred book but when it's your own holy book, it's easily dismissed with, "Well, that stuff doesn't really apply anymore".

However, even in the third world, I'm sure most Muslims do not engage in rape.

You're wrong. Muslims rape people as much as anyone else does. And like in Christian countries, you might be put away in jail, you might be killed or you might get away with it. Just depends on which country and who the person you're raping is.

I can now see that there are two sides of Islam, an ugly and a beautiful side, but I now see that very often it is the Muslim people who are victimized. I cannot go into detail here because it would cause a real flame war. It'd get ugly.

It's worse than that.

A lot of American Catholics are looking at Rick Santorum and thinking "What the fuck?". A lot of American Protestants looked at people like Jerry Falwell and wondered who the fuck appointed him the spokesperson for American Christians.

It's the same in Islam. Islam is a big complicated religion. The Sufi are different from the Wahhabi who are different from the Druz who don't believe the same things as the Sunni who don't agree with the Shi'a.

And they're all wondering, "Who the fuck appointed these crazy idiots to speak for Islam?".

Islam is going through the same thing that Christianity went through in the Middle Ages. There are too many people who are too poor who are being led by imams who have memorized the Qur'an but don't seem to understand what they memorized.

At a time when the moderates and the educated clergy in Islam need support and encouragement, they're being castigated just because they're in the same religion as some pretty stupid people.

But of course, that's no different than what happens when crazy fucktards like Jerry Fallwell and Rick Santorum want to drag the rest of us into the 15th century version of Christianity.