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[Irish Luck]

Yeah I have been calling him Dustina before he said the N word. What's your point? What justifies me calling him Dustina? Him curling his eyelashes. Him wearing women's clothes. Him having no backbone and running scared from Dick while Dick is personally attacking Jameka and Amber. Hell, Jameka defended herself just fine against Dick and his tantrum while Dustina ran from him (coward).

My point is some of these people getting their panties wet have ignored the bigot here. Just because you like dick just like Dustin doesn't mean he should get a bypass to use racial slurs.

That's the impression I get, because when I make a comment about his female like qualities, people are quick to point that out but ignore Dustina's use of a racial slur. The person they're defending is torn from the same cloth as Dick who rightfully so has been crucified here.

But wait, Dick the homophobe is a loser but Dustina the racist is ok? Right?

Not in my book. Both are losers. Dick is a dick. And Dustina is a prissy gender confused racist. Call it like I see it. I don't care if he likes dick or not, Dustina is an abhorrent person.
It's called hypocrisy.

Please point out to be where I said that it was okay that Dustin said that, I don't believe I did. Where did I attack Dick? I dont believe I did that either. My point was why you were so intent on calling Dustin Dustina. So, you are against Dick because he was picking on quality of Dustin, yet here you are doing the exact same thing. It looks like to me, that you are an expert on hypocrisy...
I dont think it was right of Dustin to say the "N" word, I do not think it was right for Dick to call Dustin "Princess", and I do not think it is right for you to call Dustin "Dustina". They are all, in in their own way, racist remarks.

 

[YeahWhatever]

Yeah I have been calling him Dustina before he said the N word. What's your point? What justifies me calling him Dustina? Him curling his eyelashes. Him wearing women's clothes. Him having no backbone and running scared from Dick while Dick is personally attacking Jameka and Amber. Hell, Jameka defended herself just fine against Dick and his tantrum while Dustina ran from him (coward).

My point is some of these people getting their panties wet have ignored the bigot here. Just because you like dick just like Dustin doesn't mean he should get a bypass to use racial slurs.

That's the impression I get, because when I make a comment about his female like qualities, people are quick to point that out but purposefully fail to remember that the person they're defending is a racist cunt. The person they're defending is torn from the same cloth as Dick who rightfully so has been crucified here.

But wait, Dick the homophobe is a loser but Dustina the racist is ok? Right? That's impression I get when I see the outrage at my comments about Dustina's behavior from people that ignore everything he's done and said while in the house. Something's wrong with that.

Let me just repeat the important parts.

1) Dick calls Dustina a princess and he's a homophobe loser.
2) Dustina lies and lies and backstabs (with no real strategy) and then uses racial slurs and no one on JUB condemns him for the same hate speech they hate Dick for.
3) And I make a comment about Dustina's prissiness and I'm out of line.

Am I missing something?

Not in my book. Both are losers. Dick is a dick. And Dustina is a prissy gender confused racist. Call it like I see it. I don't care if he likes dick or not, Dustina is an awful person.

Who did Dustin ever call the N word? He called his dog one, but when did he actually refer to a person in that term?

And I don't think Dustin is "gender-confused." I'm pretty sure he knows he's a man, and I'm pretty sure he knows he's gay.

 

[Lostlover]

Please point out to be where I said that it was okay that Dustin said that, I don't believe I did. Where did I attack Dick? I dont believe I did that either. My point was why you were so intent on calling Dustin Dustina. So, you are against Dick because he was picking on quality of Dustin, yet here you are doing the exact same thing. It looks like to me, that you are an expert on hypocrisy...
I dont think it was right of Dustin to say the "N" word, I do not think it was right for Dick to call Dustin "Princess", and I do not think it is rright for you to call Dustin "Dustina"

I have said it all along that Dick is a homophobe and a miserable person, as evidenced by his relationship with his daughter.

Everyone's condemned Dick and rightfully so.

But look at the person you're defending when I refer to him as Dustina. A lying racist. Enough said.

I guess lying racists have feelings too?

Me calling him Dustina is just that. Me calling him Dustina.

 

[Lostlover]

Who did Dustin ever call the N word? He called his dog one, but when did he actually refer to a person in that term?

And I don't think Dustin is "gender-confused." I'm pretty sure he knows he's a man, and I'm pretty sure he knows he's gay.

Does it really matter who he was referring to when he said the N word? To me it doesn't matter. Stop defending a racist.

He'd probably have something to say about Asians too. So watch out, the guy you're eagerly trying to defend might spit some of his venom at you.

 

[YeahWhatever]

I have said it all along that Dick is a homophobe and a miserable person, as evidenced by his relationship with his daughter.

Everyone's condemned Dick and rightfully so.

But look at the person you're defending when I refer to him as Dustina. A lying racist. Enough said.

I guess lying racists have feelings too?

Me calling him Dustina is just that. Me calling him Dustina.

Please, give a specific instance when Dustin callled someone a N*****. Then we can figure out if he's a racist or not.

And if you want to call him "Dustina," then....why are you on this board? It's perplexing.

 

[Irish Luck]

I have said it all along that Dick is a homophobe and a miserable person, as evidenced by his relationship with his daughter.

Everyone's condemned Dick and rightfully so.

But look at the person you're defending when I refer to him as Dustina. A lying racist. Enough said.

I guess lying racists have feelings too?

Me calling him Dustina is just that. Me calling him Dustina.

So, him using the "N" word is justification for your making fun of becuase he is a fem...Yea, he was being racist, but what about before, when nobody knew about that, you were still making fun him. And on a side note, Dustin goes and says a racist remark, and what do you do? You sink to that level and start making remarks of your own. So, in a way, you are similar to Dustin...

And I'm not saying that what he did was right, it wasn't. But that doesn't mean that you should go down to that level and become like him. (even though you were down at that level way before he was...)

 

[noah617]

def"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted."

 

[Lostlover]

Please, give a specific instance when Dustin callled someone a N*****. Then we can figure out if he's a racist or not.

And if you want to call him "Dustina," then....why are you on this board? It's perplexing.

If you think all gays are feminine, you might think it is perplexing that I'd point out Dustin's feminine characteristics.

I have seen a lot of gay males that are um, gay MALES.

 

[Lostlover]

So, him using the "N" word is justification for your making fun of becuase he is a fem...Yea, he was being racist, but what about before, when nobody knew about that, you were still making fun him. And on a side note, Dustin goes and says a racist remark, and what do you do? You sink to that level and start making remarks of your own. So, in a way, you are similar to Dustin...

And I'm not saying that what he did was right, it wasn't. But that doesn't mean that you should go down to that level and become like him. (even though you were down at that level way before he was...)

How am I becoming like him? I never used a slur. Gay men aren't all feminine I hope you all know.

Why is it that I never said any of these things about Joe? Why is it that America is on my side?

Why is it that I'm the only one condemning BOTH Dustin and Dick for their prejudices?

Questions sadly with no answers?

Instead there are people here harping on one word I use about a racist gay guy. WOW. I guess you all chose to ignore the racist part on the guy you're defending.

 

[YeahWhatever]

If you think all gays are feminine, you might think it is perplexing that I'd point out Dustin's feminine characteristics.

I have send a lot of gay males that are um, gay MALES.

I think there'a pretty good mix on this board. There's no way to find out for sure, but I'd say there's representation from both more masculine gays and more feminine gays. I never said all gays here are feminine, but you're really going out of your way to offend the ones who are that are they're reading this thread.

I don't know what you're trying to imply. That all flaming gays should go slit their wrists? It's getting more off topic, so I'm just gonna say -- Dustin said shitty things, a racist-leaning remark about his dog. I don't think it makes him a racist, otherwise he wouldn't be friends with Jameka. But like Irish Luck said -- you are becoming your negative perception of Dustin by discriminating against him because he's not a burly manly-man (the same way you imply that Dustin is racist -- that N**** aren't as good as white people). And I don't think this is the place to be airing that kind of POV.

 

[Irish Luck]

How am I becoming like him? I never used a slur. Gay men aren't all feminine I hope you all know.

Why is it that I never said any of these things about Joe? Why is it that America is on my side?

Why is it that I'm the only one condemning BOTH Dustin and Dick for their prejudices?

Questions sadly with no answers?

Instead there are people here harping on one word I use about a racist gay guy. WOW. I guess you all chose to ignore the racist part on the guy you're defending.

Are you reading my whole post?

And I'm not saying that what he did was right, it wasn't.

How is that ignoring it?
And you are similar to him, making remarks that are meant to be mean and demeaning. I know he made a racial slur, but still, that does not give you permission to start making similar remarks of your own.

 

[Lostlover]

I don't know what you're trying to imply. That all flaming gays should go slit their wrists? It's getting more off topic, so I'm just gonna say -- Dustin said shitty things, a racist-leaning remark about his dog. I don't think it makes him a racist, otherwise he wouldn't be friends with Jameka. But like Irish Luck said -- you are becoming your negative perception of Dustin by discriminating against him because he's not a burly manly-man (the same way you imply that Dustin is racist -- that N**** aren't as good as white people). And I don't think this is the place to be airing that kind of POV.

Never said the bold part either. Nor did I imply that.

Like I said, I never had an issue with Joe's ways. I said from the beginning of Big Brother that I was bothered that they (CBS) continue featuring the same type of gay guys (Beau, Marcellus, Will, Bunky, etc.). My point is, there are more types of gay guys than the stereotype.

It's funny though. I'm sure Dustin would laugh that he has a guy defending his racist words for him. AND a non-white guy defending his racist words. That's his job to do, not yours, honey. But I'm sure he'd appreciate your effort anyways.

 

[Lostlover]

Are you reading my whole post?

How is that ignoring it?
And you are similar to him, making remarks that are meant to be mean and demeaning. I know he made a racial slur, but still, that does not give you permission to start making similar remarks of your own.

Seriously, what did I say that was so bad? I'm in the dark.

 

[Irish Luck]

Seriously, what did I say that was so bad? I'm in the dark.

The "N" word is meant to be mean and demeaning to people because of skin color.
Dustina is meant to be mean and demeaning towards Dustin becuase of fem qulaities.
Both words are meant to be mean and demeaning towards someone because of qualities they do not have control over.

 

[Lostlover]

The "N" word is meant to be mean and demeaning to people because of skin color.
Dustina is meant to be mean and demeaning towards Dustin becuase of fem qulaities.
Both words are meant to be mean and demeaning towards someone because of qualities they do not have control over.

Bolded part: Yeah and your point? I said sort of the same thing about Eric and his weariness of defending himself to Dick. Was I being heterophobic there?

I'll give you the last sentence. But I'll say this, the majority of my criticism of Dustin has been over his actions and not his fem qualities.

You also, shouldn't forget the person you're defending either here... a racist.

 

[YeahWhatever]

Never said the bold part either. Nor did I imply that.

Like I said, I never had an issue with Joe's ways. I said from the beginning of Big Brother that I was bothered that they (CBS) continue featuring the same type of gay guys (Beau, Marcellus, Will, Bunky, etc.). My point is, there are more types of gay guys than the stereotype.

It's funny though. I'm sure Dustin would laugh that he has a guy defending his racist words for him. AND a non-white guy defending his racist words. That's his job to do, not yours, honey. But I'm sure he'd appreciate your effort anyways.

It was an impliction. I never said that you said it. Yeah, there are more kinds of gay guys that could be represented on this show, I don't get why you have to alienate those who aren't that butch gay guy fantasy of yours. I don't fit that profile, hence, you've offended me.

And how many times do I and others on this thread have to say that we don't condone the things that Dustin has said? He used the N-word in a non-racist context. He called his dog, with black fur, a N-bitch. Yeah, not a good thing to say when you're on a TV show. But it's not as bad as Dick referring to Dustin as "Princess," obviously using that term in a derogatory manner. And by you calling him "Dustina," you're condoning Dick's behavior. And it's worst because you are gay (or bi) as well, otherwise you wouldn't be posting on this board.

If you wanna post your "Dustina" comments on MatthewShepardisinhell.com, then go ahead, but it doesn't belong here.

 

[Irish Luck]

Bolded part: Yeah and your point? I said sort of the same thing about Eric and his weariness of defending himself to Dick. Was I being heterophobic there?

I'll give you the last sentence. But I'll say this, the majority of my criticism of Dustin has been over his actions and not his fem qualities.

With the Eric thing, he had control over the situation with defending himself. And being weary of something has nothing to do with being straight. The Dustina thing is meant to be against his fem qulaities, which he has no control over.

I have no problem if you criticize his actions, I just don't feel it is right for you to make fun things that he has no control over.

 

[Lostlover]

It was an impliction. I never said that you said it. Yeah, there are more kinds of gay guys that could be represented on this show, I don't get why you have to alienate those who aren't that butch gay guy fantasy of yours. I don't fit that profile, hence, you've offended me.

It's not about alienating people. My comments were about DUSTIN. And the majority of my criticism, if you check my post history, is about how he's played the game. You're harping on one word.

Joe isn't the most butch guy in the world, probably the least and I haven't "criticized" him for that.

And how many times do I and others on this thread have to say that we don't condone the things that Dustin has said? He used the N-word in a non-racist context. He called his dog, with black fur, a N-bitch. Yeah, not a good thing to say when you're on a TV show. But it's not as bad as Dick referring to Dustin as "Princess," obviously using that term in a derogatory manner. And by you calling him "Dustina," you're condoning Dick's behavior. And it's worst because you are gay (or bi) as well, otherwise you wouldn't be posting on this board.


Now there's "acceptable" and "more acceptable" contexts to use slurs? It less more acceptable for Dustin to refer to his dog as the N word and less acceptable for Dick to call Dustin the f word and princess? Are you reading what you're typing?

More defending the racist. I think he'd get a laugh out of this. I think if he said something about Asians, you'd change your tune pretty quickly. He isn't a good person to be defending.


If you wanna post your "Dustina" comments on MatthewShepardisinhell.com, then go ahead, but it doesn't belong here.

That was not funny. You shouldn't be making light of someone's death.

When someone has to exaggerate they generally have no point.

 

[Lostlover]

With the Eric thing, he had control over the situation with defending himself. And being weary of something has nothing to do with being straight. The Dustina thing is meant to be against his fem qulaities, which he has no control over.

I have no problem if you criticize his actions, I just don't feel it is right for you to make fun things that he has no control over.

Fair enough.

 

[YeahWhatever]

When someone has to exaggerate they generally have no point.

Wow, look at you. All politically correct. I was trying a reinforce a point that you just aren't considering. Yeah, I used exaggeration -- too bad you're still a hypocrite.

And you're right I'm asian. If he wanted to call his dog a chink, then hey, freedom of speech. I didn't say I'd still like him, and I wouldn't defend him for doing so. I never said I liked Dustin after he used the N-word. But I knew he wasn't using that word in a racist context. It doesn't necessarily make him racist. Sarah Silverman made a joke not too long ago that offended some asians. It didn't offend me because I knew how to put the joke in context, and the world didn't blow up because of it.

I don't know why you have to act as the moral compass of all African Americans, and then go and make light of gays -- on a gay message board! And it's weird, no one here is defending you at all. I don't know if you're trying to think outside the box, be edgy, whatever, or you're just stubborn and don't see that you're making fun of gay guys that don't fit your macho qualifications. It just doesn't make any sense.