BlueLantern
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Does anyone have the "forehead picture" that are talking about?
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No. It was in the latest issue. So if you can find a scan of issue (what? 13?) of Young Avengers you'll see it.BlueLantern said:
No it's true, but all of this just seems like skirting. I want to hear it be said once, like for the record or see something that puts it beyond a doubt.
The fact that Tommy and Billy are the lost twins of the Scarlet Witch is definite. Right now, I think the next arc is going to be about how the Young Avengers help them find the Scarlet Witch so that they can hopefully bring her back to normalcy.
Billy has her magic powers and Tommy has her brother, Quicksilver's, white hair and fast speed. I feel a little wary, though, because I get the feeling that Tommy's some-what unhingedness is going to resurface and we're going to see major issues.
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I am from Brazil. Infinite Crises don't even started yet!
Does Tommy has a codename? I thought he had blowed up his school
he is not gay, is he? Hulkling would be a truly luck felow
hm...
Powerfull Twins Twinks with a shapeshifter? there must be a erotic story somewhere
Does Tommy has a codename? I thought he had blowed up his school
he is not gay, is he? Hulkling would be a truly luck felow
hm...
Powerfull Twins Twinks with a shapeshifter? there must be a erotic story somewhere
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Luminum: Kate (or was it Cass?) has said it officially, the first time they broke Tommy out of the State Penitentiary. When Tommy asked if BIlly was the shapeshifter, the girl interjected and said "No, that's his boyfriend."
As for lost twins, I've probably read enough stories to know that when the lead character (of the arc in mention at least) is so completely definite of something, then chances are it turns out to be false. It's been said time and again in the official letters section that Wiccan will regret his origin, as well as his codename, should he learn of the truth behind them.
Bluelantern: Well, I doubt homophobia is the case when the writer himself is gay . But the way you make it sound is that they should kiss just to show the world that they are gay, and honestly, that's quite dumb.
The sign that something, like say homosexuality, is truly accepted? Is when nobody makes a big deal out of it.
As for lost twins, I've probably read enough stories to know that when the lead character (of the arc in mention at least) is so completely definite of something, then chances are it turns out to be false. It's been said time and again in the official letters section that Wiccan will regret his origin, as well as his codename, should he learn of the truth behind them.
Bluelantern: Well, I doubt homophobia is the case when the writer himself is gay . But the way you make it sound is that they should kiss just to show the world that they are gay, and honestly, that's quite dumb.
The sign that something, like say homosexuality, is truly accepted? Is when nobody makes a big deal out of it.
BlueLantern
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The writer can't just do everything that pops in his mind. If he put a kiss, or even the two holding hands there will be angry calls to marvel.
They should not kiss because they are gay
They should kiss because they are a couple and that is what they do, they kiss, hug, hold hands, and do another stuff that are ok if they don't appear in comics, but at least kissing should not be a problem!
EDIT: is tommy gay?
They should not kiss because they are gay
They should kiss because they are a couple and that is what they do, they kiss, hug, hold hands, and do another stuff that are ok if they don't appear in comics, but at least kissing should not be a problem!
EDIT: is tommy gay?
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The sign that something, like say homosexuality, is truly accepted? Is when nobody makes a big deal out of it.[/QUOTE] kissing is making a big deal out of it?straight comic charcters kiss all the time so why is one small kiss between a gay couple "making a big deal" out of being gay?comics are the best place to make a big deal out of being gay since mutants are trying to be accepted and that makes the fight real. everything in comics is meant to be big and dramatic. the ultimate x-men story with colossus being gay and nightcrawler having a hard time with it is a great story cause it brings the issue of being accepted home.clark and lois are in bed screwing but gays can't have a kiss cause it's "making a big deal out of it" please!! anyway, check this fantastic site out. the young avengers is on here(it's where i heard they were gay since i haven't read the book-yet)http://www.gayleague.com/gay/characters/index.php
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Why does everyone disagree with me? First registration, now this...
Bluedragon4: It's a big deal because a lot of people want to see them kiss on the sole basis that they are a homosexual couple. Not everybody, but a lot. But do we even know how Ted and Billy got together? What they sacrificed to be with each other? What depth? Because that's what true love stories need; and that's what makes the simple scenes like "kissing" more effective. Now I am as enamoured in their relationship as the next guy- - hell, I'd like to have a boyfriend who had Ted's personality- - but from my perspective, forcing Allan to have them kiss just for the sake of showing the world that yes, they are gay and yes, they will kiss, would be a misstep to the positive progression of both characters. Besides, so far, most of YA takes place in a battlefield/fight scenario - - which realistically, unless they are on a comet headed to the sun, is not exactly an ideal place or time for liplocking.
Yes, I agree that comics are a medium of expression - - but in this day and age, special care is taken into subtlety. Gone are the days where they need to devote an entire splash page to someone's revelation that he or she is a homosexial. Clark and Lois can screw all they want because we grew up with them and because by this time, in their relationship, it doesn't matter what the fuck they do in the privacy of their own homes. But Ted and Billy? Yes, they are a couple, but that is all we get. So having them fuck each other's brains off without any context within a story, or without so much of a build-up to the desired event, is downright insulting to anyone who doesn't support a couple simply because they look cute together. Now lets see, so far what have the YA gone through? First arc, the permanent departure of one of their closest friends, okay, not the best time to consumate a relationship. How about the second arc? Oops, Ted's mother dies! And of course, we all know that the optimal time for sex is when your boyfriend's mother dies!
Sorry for the spoiler.
Bluelantern: You misread my misreading of your post! Nonetheless, the simple fact that they are in a relationship has had people pulling subscriptions from this amazing book. Which is both sad, and amusing, as there actually still are people close-minded enough to believe that we are the sons and daughters of Satan. Anyway, why is it that just because they are a couple, they should automatically do sweet couple-y things? I know this borders on nitpicking, but the way they show concern for each other, to me at least, is just as potent a symbol of their love for each other as kissing/holding hands/eloping. (Still, if you are keeping track, they have had a scene where they hug, where they rest their foreheads on each other, and where Ted has his arm around Billy.)
Now take Midnighter and Apollo into consideration - - besides their wedding, have they ever kissed? Not so much to my recollection (I only have the first four volumes of the trade - - anything else after that and I go as dumb as a Simpson). We get longing stares, a couple of dialogue panels where they are shirtless on bed, and a lot of idle chit-chat. Why don't they kiss so much? Because having them kiss without any intention other than to have them kiss out of the blue is less part of a story and more of idiotic fanservice.
EDIT: No, Tommy isn't gay, he has a thing for Kate, AKA the new Hawkeye
Bluedragon4: It's a big deal because a lot of people want to see them kiss on the sole basis that they are a homosexual couple. Not everybody, but a lot. But do we even know how Ted and Billy got together? What they sacrificed to be with each other? What depth? Because that's what true love stories need; and that's what makes the simple scenes like "kissing" more effective. Now I am as enamoured in their relationship as the next guy- - hell, I'd like to have a boyfriend who had Ted's personality- - but from my perspective, forcing Allan to have them kiss just for the sake of showing the world that yes, they are gay and yes, they will kiss, would be a misstep to the positive progression of both characters. Besides, so far, most of YA takes place in a battlefield/fight scenario - - which realistically, unless they are on a comet headed to the sun, is not exactly an ideal place or time for liplocking.
Yes, I agree that comics are a medium of expression - - but in this day and age, special care is taken into subtlety. Gone are the days where they need to devote an entire splash page to someone's revelation that he or she is a homosexial. Clark and Lois can screw all they want because we grew up with them and because by this time, in their relationship, it doesn't matter what the fuck they do in the privacy of their own homes. But Ted and Billy? Yes, they are a couple, but that is all we get. So having them fuck each other's brains off without any context within a story, or without so much of a build-up to the desired event, is downright insulting to anyone who doesn't support a couple simply because they look cute together. Now lets see, so far what have the YA gone through? First arc, the permanent departure of one of their closest friends, okay, not the best time to consumate a relationship. How about the second arc? Oops, Ted's mother dies! And of course, we all know that the optimal time for sex is when your boyfriend's mother dies!
Sorry for the spoiler.
Bluelantern: You misread my misreading of your post! Nonetheless, the simple fact that they are in a relationship has had people pulling subscriptions from this amazing book. Which is both sad, and amusing, as there actually still are people close-minded enough to believe that we are the sons and daughters of Satan. Anyway, why is it that just because they are a couple, they should automatically do sweet couple-y things? I know this borders on nitpicking, but the way they show concern for each other, to me at least, is just as potent a symbol of their love for each other as kissing/holding hands/eloping. (Still, if you are keeping track, they have had a scene where they hug, where they rest their foreheads on each other, and where Ted has his arm around Billy.)
Now take Midnighter and Apollo into consideration - - besides their wedding, have they ever kissed? Not so much to my recollection (I only have the first four volumes of the trade - - anything else after that and I go as dumb as a Simpson). We get longing stares, a couple of dialogue panels where they are shirtless on bed, and a lot of idle chit-chat. Why don't they kiss so much? Because having them kiss without any intention other than to have them kiss out of the blue is less part of a story and more of idiotic fanservice.
EDIT: No, Tommy isn't gay, he has a thing for Kate, AKA the new Hawkeye
BlueLantern
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Good lord marvels, I can only think that you have internalized homophobia or something.
If a kiss will is a big deal, than lets do it anyway! If we keep ourselves in the closet or in the phone booth forever we are never going to be truly accepted!
If a kiss will is a big deal, than lets do it anyway! If we keep ourselves in the closet or in the phone booth forever we are never going to be truly accepted!
bluedragon4
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i agree. the more people see two guys kiss the less shocking it will be.`BlueLantern said:
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You know what? The two of you?
Try rebutting my argument before attacking me personally. That usually helps in solidifying your perspective.
Try rebutting my argument before attacking me personally. That usually helps in solidifying your perspective.
Christ...what a hullabaloo this has turned out to be.
You're right about the confirmation, I just missed that issue.
Tommy does have a codename, it's Speed. Patriot thinks it's dumb, but Hawkeye thinks it works since it tells you everything you need to know in one word.
That may be so, but correct me if I'm wrong (since I never purchased the issue) but didn't The Vision state for a fact that Wiccan and Speed were the children of the Scarlet Witch? Or did he only say that they were the children of an Avenger and the rest was assumed to lead us astray?
Still, with both of their powers, it seems like a really really cheap mislead to have them completely unrelated to the Scarlet Witch. White hair and speed? Magical abilities? Has anyone else in Avenger history been connected with speed and magic? Could it be an obscure character?
And has there been any attention drawn to Wiccan's original lightning powers?
Personally, for this whole kissing PDA business, I feel like if they hold it off to the point hwere they never do it whereas in every other comic, heterosexual couples have been seen kissing and whatnot (Scott and Jean, Scott and Emma, Logan and Jean, Morgan and Cap, etc.) it will eventually be too obvious that something's not being shown.
It hasn't reached that yet, and I doubt it ever will, but I'm pretty sure that if you have a heterosexual teen mutant/superhero couple, they would hav ebeen seen kissing at least once, no matter if it was innocent or deeply intimate. Hell, Laurie had David kiss her under the influence of her powers at the Xavier dance and it was rather heavy. David and Surge have kissed in Houes of M and who haven't one of the Cuckoos kissed yet?
You're right about the confirmation, I just missed that issue.
Tommy does have a codename, it's Speed. Patriot thinks it's dumb, but Hawkeye thinks it works since it tells you everything you need to know in one word.
That may be so, but correct me if I'm wrong (since I never purchased the issue) but didn't The Vision state for a fact that Wiccan and Speed were the children of the Scarlet Witch? Or did he only say that they were the children of an Avenger and the rest was assumed to lead us astray?
Still, with both of their powers, it seems like a really really cheap mislead to have them completely unrelated to the Scarlet Witch. White hair and speed? Magical abilities? Has anyone else in Avenger history been connected with speed and magic? Could it be an obscure character?
And has there been any attention drawn to Wiccan's original lightning powers?
Personally, for this whole kissing PDA business, I feel like if they hold it off to the point hwere they never do it whereas in every other comic, heterosexual couples have been seen kissing and whatnot (Scott and Jean, Scott and Emma, Logan and Jean, Morgan and Cap, etc.) it will eventually be too obvious that something's not being shown.
It hasn't reached that yet, and I doubt it ever will, but I'm pretty sure that if you have a heterosexual teen mutant/superhero couple, they would hav ebeen seen kissing at least once, no matter if it was innocent or deeply intimate. Hell, Laurie had David kiss her under the influence of her powers at the Xavier dance and it was rather heavy. David and Surge have kissed in Houes of M and who haven't one of the Cuckoos kissed yet?
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I am not disputing that they are related to Wanda, but I am supsicious of how Wiccan seems to take the news without missing a stride. Comic book teens never have it that easy. Something is off, and I'm fairly certain that there is a dark side to their origin that makes them more (or less) than being Wanda's lost souls.
I'm really curious as to who Kate ends up with...
As for the PDA issue, I still contend that nowhere in the first season was there an oppurtune time for them to kiss. Besides, most of them time, when Emma, Scott or Logan kisses somebody, it is once again in context to the story, and within a panel devoted to their private time (Emma's various seductions for example). Should Ted and Bill kiss for no reason other than they are a couple? No. Because it'd be a cheap pop. Should they be devoted panels in order to fleshen their relationship and make us feel what they feel for each other, and thus make their "first kiss" more effective? Hell yes.
Do you want to know what the perfect homosexual kiss for me in entertainment was? Willow and Tara's first in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They didn't make a show of it, but it was properly written into the plot itself. Sue if I want as much emotion from Ted and Billy.
I'm probably gonna start hiring people to agree with me for once.
I'm really curious as to who Kate ends up with...
As for the PDA issue, I still contend that nowhere in the first season was there an oppurtune time for them to kiss. Besides, most of them time, when Emma, Scott or Logan kisses somebody, it is once again in context to the story, and within a panel devoted to their private time (Emma's various seductions for example). Should Ted and Bill kiss for no reason other than they are a couple? No. Because it'd be a cheap pop. Should they be devoted panels in order to fleshen their relationship and make us feel what they feel for each other, and thus make their "first kiss" more effective? Hell yes.
Do you want to know what the perfect homosexual kiss for me in entertainment was? Willow and Tara's first in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They didn't make a show of it, but it was properly written into the plot itself. Sue if I want as much emotion from Ted and Billy.
I'm probably gonna start hiring people to agree with me for once.
TaigaStar
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I see your point and agree with it. And let's face it, the heterosexual couples are seen with more implications than just kissing. I mean, in Astonishing there's the scene with Kitty and Peter with everything screaming that they were having sex; we know that Scott and Emma have likely done it: I mean, in Generation X, Emma walks over to Banshee's room and gives him a free show because her telepathy picked up his dreams and she told him to stop it. Emma isn't modest, and apparently Scott's not the tightwad he used to be. And obviously, Scott and Madeline had sex or we wouldn't have Cable.luminum said:
And it's not like they can hide behind something like "the comic code won't allow it" because they ditched the comic code a few years ago. I mean, it's a kiss between two people who are dating and happen to be the same sex. It's not like this is some random, explicit one-night stand between two male characters that have nothing to do with each other...
No, you're right. I wasn't clear because it's jsut what i naturally assume, but when I say that i want Teddy and Billy to kiss, I don't mean just at random. I just want to see one when they're in one of those fleshed-out moments. So when I say I want to see something more intimate, I always mean that I want it within a reasonable and emotionally apt context.Marvels said:
I just say that i want to see it because I've notice dmoments where they're close enough to be kissing. Given, I've got a chunk missing from what I've read, but I still feel like there must have been moments in the two arcs where Billy and Teddy could have had their relationship fleshed out, meaning a innocent kiss is a given.
I think there's definitely a dark side to the whole thing with Billy and Tommy. That was pretty obvious when Vision short circuited before he could name their true father. I think that's going to be the kicker. Probably that William and Thomas are the unwanted children of the Scarlet Witch who was manipulated by, say, Mephisto to want them, though it's technically a rape or something. That makes sense ot me since Scarlet Witch is Billy's favorite superhero.
BlueLantern
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I not saying that they should start make out in the middle of a battle, but I don't think is possible to they show 2 story arcs without kissing.
Also, Marvels, in dramatic and dificult moments kissing can help the other person, the first kiss of Willow and Tara was when she was desperate and lost because Joyce death.
Also, Marvels, in dramatic and dificult moments kissing can help the other person, the first kiss of Willow and Tara was when she was desperate and lost because Joyce death.
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Bluelantern: Re-read the first two arcs, tell me where they can kiss, taking into consideration that there are other characters who also deserve as much spotlight as they do.
Luminum: Thanks man, anyway, the best time for some PDA in my opinion was in the YA special, where we got a glimpse of their private lives. Unfortunately, it was either end their segment with a kiss or a Northstar joke - - and gay jokes usually make for better transitions.
I kind of think that their origins would be related to HoM. That could be cool - - have their creation at the cost of so many mutants' powers/lives could do well for a lot of angst. And Vision short-circuited because the Skrulls attacked their ship, I believe. Damn aliens, talk about dramatic timing.
At any rate, it seems to me that they'll be the ones tackling the Scarlet Witch come next arc, so can't wait for that. It'd be hot.
Luminum: Thanks man, anyway, the best time for some PDA in my opinion was in the YA special, where we got a glimpse of their private lives. Unfortunately, it was either end their segment with a kiss or a Northstar joke - - and gay jokes usually make for better transitions.
I kind of think that their origins would be related to HoM. That could be cool - - have their creation at the cost of so many mutants' powers/lives could do well for a lot of angst. And Vision short-circuited because the Skrulls attacked their ship, I believe. Damn aliens, talk about dramatic timing.
At any rate, it seems to me that they'll be the ones tackling the Scarlet Witch come next arc, so can't wait for that. It'd be hot.
I do officially love the Scarlet Witch, though my heart is always with the White Queen.
It's interesting to bring up HoM, since Wanda is shown playing with her (one) son before she banishes Dr. Strange.
It's interesting to bring up HoM, since Wanda is shown playing with her (one) son before she banishes Dr. Strange.
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Is it just me, or is the latest trend that there's an official dominatrix/bitch on every X-Squad? Astonishing has Emma, X-Factor has Monet, Uncanny has Lorna, and Adjectiveless has Rogue. I hope they don't turn all the teams into pallete swaps (though I hear Warpath may just be cooler than Wolvie...i haven't read #475 yet, so don't spoil me!)
At any rate, yeah, Wanda's the big question, but I remember Quesada mentioning that there are no plans for her in the immediate future. Which I think should work since having her mentioned only in whispers and fear (like the Punisher, only she wipes out mutants) should escalate her rep tenfold.
Side note: Who here thinks that the Hellfire Club are on the side of angels? I mean, 150 years into the future, and it IS Cassandra leading the final X-team.
At any rate, yeah, Wanda's the big question, but I remember Quesada mentioning that there are no plans for her in the immediate future. Which I think should work since having her mentioned only in whispers and fear (like the Punisher, only she wipes out mutants) should escalate her rep tenfold.
Side note: Who here thinks that the Hellfire Club are on the side of angels? I mean, 150 years into the future, and it IS Cassandra leading the final X-team.
BlueLantern
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I live in Brazil, there is a HUGE delay in the comics here =(
I want to know what the others think, if there was a moment where they could kiss.
Is that sweet or not?
I want to know what the others think, if there was a moment where they could kiss.
Is that sweet or not?
Definitely not. I thought the same thing, that all that cassandra Nova has done and will do until then will lead up to that final stand of bravery, but that isn't true. If you recall, that timeline was alternate and severed because Jean went back and made Scott and Emma come together. If they had stayed apart and Scott hadn't run the school, it would have reached the future of Here Comes Tomorrow. Now, that isn't the case.Marvels said:
BTW, who was the artist for Here Comes Tomorrow? His artwork was splendid and his guys were really hot.