Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels

[Benvolio]

You're merely quoting the text of the captioned article I posted.

I did say that the article has no preconceived prejudices, assuming a sceptical approach.

The reader should draw their own conclusions.

I am not sure what you are saying. That part from Josephus does say. 'He was the Messiah". But Josephus did not become a follower.

 

[Benvolio]

Consider that the mythical Christ may have died on the axis mundi just like many other gods before him... No need to call it "historical" when many gods died on or under a tree: variants of the Attis myths, the Mythras myths, the Odin myths, and even the Buddah myths.

I highly recommend Joseph Campbell's THE HERO WITH A THOUSAND FACES and David Adams Leeming's MYTHOLOGY: THE VOYAGE OF THE HERO.

So how do you believe Christianity came about? Who created it, and how? Since it came into being within a narrow time in recorded history , it must have been a piece of conscious fiction, if it has no historical foundation in an actual crucified person. It clearly was not a legend arising like a folk story over time.

 

[kallipolis]

I am not sure what you are saying. That part from Josephus does say. 'He was the Messiah". But Josephus did not become a follower.

You have merely repeated the text of the quoted opening article. Spend a couple of hours reading the entire article....not just skip through the first paragraph that provides the reader with an awareness that the article is objective. and not dependent on a priori beliefs.

 

[Jacquemar]

I don't know WHO created it, but I do not believe the myth was "conscious fiction" but "revealed truth." I believe it's possible an historical personage may have existed, but it was not necessary.

Myths and legends can develop VERY quickly and enter into popular imagination very quickly. Look at Butch Cassidy, Paul Bunyan, and even stories about George Washington and other popular personalities to cite young precedents.

 

[Benvolio]

I don't know WHO created it, but I do not believe the myth was "conscious fiction" but "revealed truth." I believe it's possible an historical personage may have existed, but it was not necessary.

Myths and legends can develop VERY quickly and enter into popular imagination very quickly. Look at Butch Cassidy, Paul Bunyan, and even stories about George Washington and other popular personalities to cite young precedents.

What do you mean by "revealed truth"?
\The Washington stories were fiction by Parson Weems, an early biographer. I do not believe Bunyan was ever intended to be believed as more than stories. Cassidy and Washington were historical persons providing a foundation upon which exaggerations could grow. I think Jesus's stories may be comparable.
I has seemed to me that the beloved disciple in 5 or 6 passages in John may have been stories from an original apostle. I think they are dishonest, but their very dishonesty suggests they were from an actual participant. The author of John accepted the disciple as an original.

 

[Jacquemar]

We've been through these arguments several times. I believe an historical Jesus may have existed, but it wasn't necessary for the myths in the gospels to have been written. It is everyone else's right to believe otherwise.

 

[TX-Beau]

We've been through these arguments several times. I believe an historical Jesus may have existed, but it wasn't necessary for the myths in the gospels to have been written. It is everyone else's right to believe otherwise.

I'm not sure what you mean by "right to believe otherwise."

I think there was some kind of mystic, I do not believe he was a God. Or even 1/3 part of a God.

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I don't know WHO created it, but I do not believe the myth was "conscious fiction" but "revealed truth." I believe it's possible an historical personage may have existed, but it was not necessary.

Myths and legends can develop VERY quickly and enter into popular imagination very quickly. Look at Butch Cassidy, Paul Bunyan, and even stories about George Washington and other popular personalities to cite young precedents.

Or the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil.

 

[Mariatenebre]

I believe that most likely he was a foolish cult leader who existed but most likely didn't have any magical powers and was not divine.

 

[kallipolis]

I believe that most likely he was a foolish cult leader who existed but most likely didn't have any magical powers and was not divine.

Now we know the whole truth. The oracle has spoken.

 

[ludolfo]

There is this amazing magician I love called Dynamo. You see him with these African people, and he just has a bucket and yet wehn he starts turning this plastic bucket upside down all these real dead fish start appearing and falling out of bucket to the people's amazement. Is he really doing it? Is it some kind of conspiracy between him, the camera team/special effects, and the audience acting as though it is real? I don't know. But what he does seems miraculous
There is a video maker at Youtube who does videos about such magicians like Dynamo etc and argues they are really in contact with demons who help them do their magic. But others poo poo this and say they are simply tricks

See where I am getting at. Say there was a dude many many years ago who could do 'miracles'. Does this mean he was the 'son of God'? Or....?
LOL, I mean what is this obsession with this man who supposedly lived 2000 years ago? Some here are desperate to prove he was real. Why? Why does this mean so much to you?
What, if like John Allegro reveals in hi book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, that the real identity of 'Jesus' and/or 'Christ' was a psychedelic fungi that the initiates eat? The latter makes far more sense to me because it tallies with other mythical 'gods' like Indra, Shiva, Krishna, Dionysos, who all seem to be mythical personifications of psychedelic fungi

 

[kallipolis]

I mean what is this obsession with this man who supposedly lived 2000 years ago? Some here are desperate to prove he was real. Why? Why does this mean so much to you?

It has been my experience here that the desperate posters are those who regularly, and enthusiastically attempt to provide us with posts imagining that Jesus of Nazareth did not walk this earth.

One wonders why the anti Jesus brigade spend so much time here denigrating the life, and work of Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Spensed]

^ One doesn't need to be against Jesus or his "work" to question whether he existed as a real historical figure or, if he did, whether his story is as set out in the Bible. There were many other prophets and he may have been mythologized beyond whatever the reality was. That doesn't mean that that philosophy associated with him as a symbol isn't worthy.

Speculation about whether he was gay or not seems pointless to me. One can pretty much make up whatever one wants.

 

[kallipolis]

^ One doesn't need to be against Jesus or his "work" to question whether he existed as a real historical figure or, if he did, whether his story is as set out in the Bible. There were many other prophets and he may have been mythologized beyond whatever the reality was. That doesn't mean that that philosophy associated with him as a symbol isn't worthy.

Speculation about whether he was gay or not seems pointless to me. One can pretty much make up whatever one wants.

When the speculation becomes an obsessive, compulsive exercise in denigration of those who are believers, the matter becomes one of abuse.

 

[ludolfo]

Oh, I see, is this when you start burning people alive and hanging them...?

 

[TX-Beau]

When the speculation becomes an obsessive, compulsive exercise in denigration of those who are believers, the matter becomes one of abuse.

Why is it that any time "believers" are asked to explain themselves they climb up on their cross and claim persecution?

From the outside Kali, believing in undead sky gods sounds... unlikely. Plus you don't get respect for your mythology just because, exactly like you don't respect the mythology of Shiva the destroyer.

If you want people to stop questioning your stories, I'm afraid you were born in the wrong century.

 

[kallipolis]

Why is it that any time "believers" are asked to explain themselves they climb up on their cross and claim persecution?

From the outside Kali, believing in undead sky gods sounds... unlikely. Plus you don't get respect for your mythology just because, exactly like you don't respect the mythology of Shiva the destroyer.

If you want people to stop questioning your stories, I'm afraid you were born in the wrong century.

An exchange of views is a learning lesson for the theist, and atheist.

Question by all means. Abusive posts such as 94 here might well explain my views much more clearly.

 

[TX-Beau]

An exchange of views is a learning lesson for the theist, and atheist.

Question by all means. Abusive posts such as 94 here might well explain my views much more clearly.

Oh come on, he's obviously being sarcastic, and yes, there is plenty of precedent for Christians not only burning people at the stake, but refusing to see anything that the clergy don't want to talk about. You are a Catholic are you not? What year did the Vatican finally admit the earth goes around the sun?

 

[kallipolis]

Oh come on, he's obviously being sarcastic, and yes, there is plenty of precedent for Christians not only burning people at the stake, but refusing to see anything that the clergy don't want to talk about. You are a Catholic are you not? What year did the Vatican finally admit the earth goes around the sun?

I rather believe that the prospect of discussing being burnt at the stake, is abuse of the human person not easily shrugged off by those wanting to change the topic.

 

[TX-Beau]

Really? When was the last time an Atheist torched someone for apostasy?

 

[kallipolis]

Really? When was the last time an Atheist torched someone for apostasy?

Communist, Fascist, and Nazi activists were a well identified source of torch bearing, and murder on a genocidal scale during the 20th century. All done in the name of their glorious leaders. The ovens of Belsen etc etc etc. might well stir your thoughts.