Josh '19 Kids and Counting' Duggar a child molester?

[star-warrior]

Interesting. While mousing around the interwebs randomly, I ran upon this... KMOV-TV Channel 4 in St. Louis has relayed onto its website an article by Associated Press reporter Allen Reed. What the Yahoo article does NOT mention, that the KMOV-relayed AP article does mention, is that somebody apparently tried to make this report go away all together.





It would appear that somebody, perhaps quite a few people, tried to make this report go away before it went public and viral.

Somebody pass the popcorn, please.

Jim Bob a horny sex crazed father, Michelle Duggar the fecund clown car mother eldest son Josh is a sexual pervert incestuos child molesting paedophile star in 19 kids and counting, the story of supposedly family of sexual excess is defended by fellow christian Mike Huckabee, wannabe POTUS, and father to son David Huckabee who committed animal cruelty to dog whilst with friends in the religious orientated Scouts movement.

http://crooksandliars.com/2007/12/1...arges-against-his-son-for-stoning-hanging-dog

Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee [sic], the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

http://www.newsweek.com/sons-past-could-come-back-bite-huckabee-94351

John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.

Seeing a pattern here?


And Huckabee has the nerve to call out Obama's parenting for letting the first children listen to Beyoncé. Excusing incestual behaviour between an older brother and younger sisters and the forced rape (for fondling breasts and vaginas would be that for any other person accused of doing so) of a child of a family friend seems good parenting skills to have. It's like saying "But Mussilini kept the trains on time, even though he was a fascit dick wad, but you haters are all commie scum."

 

[ClevelandTodd]

The more details you hear, the worse it gets:

From Intouch.com:
"Jim Bob told police in 2006 that when Josh returned home in 2003, Jim Bob, accompanied by some of his church elders, took Josh to Arkansas State Trooper, Jim Hutchens. Jim Bob knew Hutchens personally. Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a “very stern talk.” As In Touch magazine reports exclusively in this week’s issue, Hutchens is now serving 56-years in prison for child pornography. He took no action on the Duggar case.".
Now folks, let that sink in for a minute.

They keep saying that he was 14. It started in 2002 when he was 14, but it happened several times after that, also. No telling how many that it happened to that didn't report it. Do the math. . . . The police report was made in 2006. Josh would have been 18 by that time! . . . . . a legal adult and fully accountable in adult prison for what he did. Even if he was still 17, almost 18, he would have been tried as an adult if charges were filed like they should have been. It is about time this show got cancelled!

 

[star-warrior]

The more details you hear, the worse it gets:

From Intouch.com:
"Jim Bob told police in 2006 that when Josh returned home in 2003, Jim Bob, accompanied by some of his church elders, took Josh to Arkansas State Trooper, Jim Hutchens. Jim Bob knew Hutchens personally. Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a “very stern talk.” As In Touch magazine reports exclusively in this week’s issue, Hutchens is now serving 56-years in prison for child pornography. He took no action on the Duggar case.".
Now folks, let that sink in for a minute.

They keep saying that he was 14. It started in 2002 when he was 14, but it happened several times after that, also. No telling how many that it happened to that didn't report it. Do the math. . . . The police report was made in 2006. Josh would have been 18 by that time! . . . . . a legal adult and fully accountable in adult prison for what he did. Even if he was still 17, almost 18, he would have been tried as an adult if charges were filed like they should have been. It is about time this show got cancelled!

It took so long to get police attention that it slipped by due to the Statute of Limitations which is 3 years...

 

[Willie Boy]

This story has been greatly over-sensationalized. Yes, he did engage in inappropriate sexual behavior with his sisters and another. But this all happened between his 14th and 15th years. He can hardly be considered a child molester. Besides, there isn't one mention of whether the victims were amenable to the activity or were coerced or even forced, and with the way this story is written if there was coercion (or worse) they would have been all over it. Part of me can't help but agree with the few posters who feel this wouldn't even be a story if it weren't for the fact that the "culprit" is a member of ultras zealous religious right who, based on their preachings, should be expected to be better than this kind of behavior. News flash, everybody is human, people make mistakes. Some errors are greater than others. Some errors can easily be classified as crimes. And as probable as it is that this man's behavior when he was a teen were at best straddling that line (and his parents behaviors really added fuel to the fire), there isn't much to suggest it was anything more than teenage stupidity enhanced by raging hormones. And it should be treated as such.

The point is, if this had been any other teen, and it had been his brothers and a neighborhood boy, and there was no talk of coercion or force, many of you would chalk it up to teens being teens, exploring their sexuality..... And I have read as much in many threads here on JUB to prove that.

Did he take advantage of his siblings trust, more than likely. Did he force anyone? Based on the info available most likely not. Was what he did wrong..... We can all agree yes. Was it child molestation? Not based on the facts as presented.

 

[rareboy]

What the fuck?

A teenage boy fondling his own underage sisters?

A police report destroyed?

The guy that counselled him and let him off with a stern warning is in prison for 56 years for child porn?

The kid becomes the head of the Family Research Council...a right wing anti-homo hate group?

His family labels trans people pedo perverts?

And there's no story?

Is their something from your past you's like to share with us?

 

[rareboy]

The Duggars apparently turned to Bill Gothard's (reallyyyy????) sexual abuse counselling guidelines....note #4.

No wonder these people are so fucked up.

A Little more on this Mr. GOT_HARD and his Biblically based approach to dealing with little annoyances like Josh Duggar's sexual predation...

Bill Gothard, a Christian writer and minister, founded the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP) in 1961, as a way to help families resolve issues by using Biblical principles....

In a police report filed after Jim Bob Duggar took his son to a local police officer to discuss what happened, police noted that the Duggars said they placed Josh in a “treatment facility” upon the advice of church elders.

Gothard...left under a cloud in 2014, amid accusations that he had sexually harassed multiple women and failed to report allegations of child abuse at IBLP.

In 2010, Michelle Duggar received a “Mother of the Year ” award from the head of a ministry who also resigned after admitting to adultery.

That ministry was subsequently shuttered.

You can't make this shit up if you tried....

 

[gsdx]

The point is, if this had been any other teen, and it had been his brothers and a neighborhood boy, and there was no talk of coercion or force, many of you would chalk it up to teens being teens, exploring their sexuality..... And I have read as much in many threads here on JUB to prove that.

For me, it was more about the 'who' than the 'what he did'. I've never watched the show, but I've seen news reports on the internet where the family preaches their about their God-fearing ways, their worship of Him, and their condemnation of anyone who doesn't. I've read reports of how tightly-reined they keep their daughters, and how their recently-married daughter supposedly didn't even kiss her husband until their wedding day. And on and on.

And then there was the cover-up. Make it like it never happened.

Just like the Roloffs and the Jeremy scandal.

Just like Oral Roberts.

Just like Jim Bakker.

They do the most un-Christian things and then do their best to cover them all up.

That's what annoys me most and makes this story important.

 

[Willie Boy]

For me, it was more about the 'who' than the 'what he did'. I've never watched the show, but I've seen news reports on the internet where the family preaches their about their God-fearing ways, their worship of Him, and their condemnation of anyone who doesn't. I've read reports of how tightly-reined they keep their daughters, and how their recently-married daughter supposedly didn't even kiss her husband until their wedding day. And on and on.

And then there was the cover-up. Make it like it never happened.

Just like the Roloffs and the Jeremy scandal.

Just like Oral Roberts.

Just like Jim Bakker.

They do the most un-Christian things and then do their best to cover them all up.

That's what annoys me most and makes this story important.

Yeah, but all that has absolutely nothing to do with the claim of the headlines. Yes, their so-called faith is a sham, as has been the case with far too many public would-be religious "figures". But that's more about them than it is about him..... to a point. Often times, with such tightly held reigns in the family the kids are bound to rebel against the pressure in ways much similar to the actual claims. That is another reason I believe the whole "child molestation" bit is a sham. It is most probable that, as all kids were under the pressure of forced celibacy, all were at least somewhat intrigued by what was on the other side of that "do not cross" line. And all were culpable in crossing it willingly. It is probable that he was the initiator, but his sisters were likely right there with him, starting with first one, then another as she shared with her sisters the feelings that arose. They wanted to feel them too.

But yes, your point that public religious figures often fall from the pedestal they are placed on is valid. The thing to remember is that they are, after all, only human. A fact they themselves too easily forget as they fall victim to the hype that surrounds the public facade of their closer connection with God. They are packaged almost like demigods and often begin to see themselves as such, believing they are above petty human trials. They begin to see themselves above the rules as laid out by God for the masses as they are His Messengers, and therefore entitled to certain liberties. Then when something does come along thy realize it will ruin what they have so it has to be made to go away before it threatens their position (sounds like anyone in a position of power or authority) and they lose everything. It really has nothing to do with God (and his words) and everything to do with their perceived entitlement. As stated, they are only human after all.

But that still does not make josh duggar a child molester, just the idiot offspring of a would-be usurper of God's authority. The attempted cover-up is the responsibility of those in charge, the teen only went along with what he was told to do. After all, he tried to take responsibility for his actions and THEY chose to cover it up, quite the opposite of what is taught in the Bible.

 

[ClevelandTodd]

Jim Bob sent him to be counselled by a family friend, a state policeman, who's now doing 56 years in prison for kiddie porn. They also sent him to a church friend for therapy, which consisted of working as a labourer for the guys home remodelling business.

Josh apparently did it several times to 4 of his sisters and one unrelated little girl.

I bet Jim Bob was pissed because he was cutting in on his territory.

They lied and said they sent him to a Christian Program, naming City, buildings, Head of Program, etc. All bullshit as pointed out below:

The couple allegedly said that they sent Josh Duggar to a “Christian program” that “consisted of physical hard work and counseling.” Michelle Duggar later admitted that they actually just sent him to live with a family friend to help with a home remodeling business, according to In Touch.

 

[IamNoah]

Jeremy Roloff has done something other than star in 10% of my fantasies since I was like 15?

 

[gsdx]

But that still does not make josh duggar a child molester, just the idiot offspring of a would-be usurper of God's authority.

Which is why I made the title a question.

Jeremy Roloff has done something other than star in 10% of my fantasies since I was like 15?

I don't know how you missed it. Just Google 'Jeremy Roloff racist and homophobic comments'. The story and the cover-up are there. And, like the Duggars, it was the parents who did the covering up.

 

[peeonme]

This could happen in any family, most families would try to keep the world from knowing of it.
So, what puzzles me is the family putting it's self in the spot light, it's just dumb.

 

[gsdx]

^ It's one thing to try to keep the world from knowing it, but it's completely another to preach to other people about how sinful it is as if it had never happened.

 

[peeonme]

^ It's one thing to try to keep the world from knowing it, but it's completely another to preach to other people about how sinful it is as if it had never happened.

If one overcomes being an alcoholic it's fine to preach on the possible evils of drunkenness, while admitting that you have been there.
It's quite another to condemn the drunk and pretend that you never touched a drink.

Years ago when I preached I talked about a "generic" sin, I found that if I was specific that I had probably done it.
Pointing fingers will bite one in the ass.

 

[Willie Boy]

^ It's one thing to try to keep the world from knowing it, but it's completely another to preach to other people about how sinful it is as if it had never happened.

But that's the problem with many "public" religious figures..... Their righteousness comes not from the Grace of God, but from their own piety. When the truth comes out that they are just as human as everybody else they can't accept it and must therefore keep it hidden, at nearly ALL costs.

 

[G-Lexington]

I think everybody got what they wanted out of this. Not that a possible child molester has gotten help, or that the ones he may have molested were ensured to be OK. They got a sanctimonious family's name dragged through the mud, and their TV show (temporarily) pulled from the airwaves. Because really, isn't that what was truly important?

Lex

 

[Willie Boy]

I think everybody got what they wanted out of this. Not that a possible child molester has gotten help, or that the ones he may have molested were ensured to be OK. They got a sanctimonious family's name dragged through the mud, and their TV show (temporarily) pulled from the airwaves. Because really, isn't that what was truly important?

Lex

That's been the point of this thread from very near the beginning. The Duggar family is a bunch of self-righteous pricks..... But no moreso than the gay community that has stood in judgement of them.

What was it that peeonme was just saying about pointing fingers??

 

[Kahaih]

I think everybody got what they wanted out of this. Not that a possible child molester has gotten help, or that the ones he may have molested were ensured to be OK. They got a sanctimonious family's name dragged through the mud, and their TV show (temporarily) pulled from the airwaves. Because really, isn't that what was truly important?

Lex

Would you prefer to continue the TV show?

How about they do and change the name to 'Three Molested Girls and Counting'?


No. It is important to not put victims of child abuse on display – treat them as specimens – in any circumstance.

 

[rareboy]

^ This.

The notion now that all of USA will be looking at the girls that Duggar molested and that their shame will be on public display so that this family of out of control breeders can hit the celebrity jackpot and spread the message of the Quiverfull movement is repugnant beyond belief.

The idea now that if you are a white christian male sexually assaulting your sisters should automatically go excused because your parents, a paedophile policeman, a shyster abuser Got-hard and apparently Jesus forgave you.....beyond repugnant.

Josh Duggar is now finally facing some real justice with the public exposure of his past 'indiscretions' being concealed. His sanctimonious parents are hopefully gagging on their own hypocrisy. The sisters and other girl he molested hopefully can now be assured of proper attention and mental health counselling at some point.

This isn't about a lynch mob after this family. This is about tearing down the false idols and vile hypocrisy of this family.

The program must go off the air.

 

[G-Lexington]

My point wasn't necessarily that the show shouldn't be pulled, or that their "good name" shouldn't be besmirched. It's more that that seems to be the extent of the concern here. Most of the responses I've seen to this is "thank God - get that program off the air". I haven't seen much compassion - or any thought, really - about the victims of the sexual abuse. Shouldn't that be the main concern?

Lex