Kevin Bacon Wants To See More Male Nudity In Hollywood

[paulmodibe1920]

Repost of a response of mine in Henry Cavill thread about boners.

"Asked if he ever got aroused during those racy scenes, Cavill said: “It’s happened to me once…and it was very embarrassing. A girl had to be on top of me, she had spectacular breasts, and I hadn’t rearranged my…stuff into a harmless position. She’s basically rubbing herself all over me, um, it got a bit hard. I had to apologize profusely afterward. It’s not great when you’re in a professional acting environment and somebody gets a boner, is it? No, not acceptable.”

I have be a photographer and video cameraman in the industry for nearly forty years and it happens frequently (boners). It is one of the major reasons for closed sets. In my memory two of the most famous boners I witness was Sam Elliott was coming out of the water facing Vera Miles. The expression on her face was total shock, but later the director admitted he ask Elliott to do it for the facial expression for the film. Vera was okay after the explanation and Sam apologized over and over.

Then Tom Skerritt and Angie Dickenson in Bad Mama had a love scene in a barn with them laying on a bed made of bales of hay with a blanket of them and Tom walked out onto the set with a boner and Angie was crazy with laughter and could hardly stop laughing. They did the scene but rumors later got out that they had an insertion as they made love on their sides with the scene shot with Tom doing a full rear scene. Angie years later admitted to it.

After all actors/actresses are human. In the early years cock socks and vaginal pouches were not in use. It was to me a more civilized time. I disagree with Henry that it is "unacceptable" but he may have said it to not stir controversy.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Is Kevin Bacon like American bacon or Canadian bacon?

 

[NotHardUp1]

I think James Franco nails it in his commentary in Interior. Leather Bar. Sexuality should be able to be part of the storyteller's art and craft. He'd argue that the art form has failed to make use of it, either allowing it only in its most silly, debased, and attention-getting form, or refusing it entirely in a fit of prudery.

He struck me as right in everything he said.

In most english-speaking cinema, sexuality is either conspicuously absent in a pathetic bowdlerisation of real life, or conspicuously present, in a pathetic tabloidisation of real life.

I hope to see more of it, done well, and more men, especially, will help that.

But I think it is as foreign to anglophone cinema as "magic realism" is. Probably it will take a half-generation of efforts by film-makers, and a half-generation of audience education in cinematic sexual literacy, before we see it done well and appreciated well.

I would differ. It has become the imputed omnipresent driver for much of human behavior when it truly isn't. Like the evening news' obsession with crime, it is discussed wholly out of proportion with its actual incidence.

TV is focused on it for the same reason. It's salacious, and long after the discussion of it is actually taboo, it still carries the titillation of perceived taboo like elementary students giggling at the mention of "fart."

It's not that sexuality isn't important, but it isn't anywhere near as important as endlessly sold in print, advertizements, humor, and television. At some point, this foment will subside and we'll get past the overkill that the sexual liberation and media age has caused.

We already have lots of movies that treat it in proportion to its real significance, and few of them need to depict it graphically to convey the realism. It's a private act. As such, it's perfectly natural to portray it as a private act, like bathing, defecating, picking lint from one's naval. We don't have to see it to understand it fully. And seeing it is often a distraction from the real story.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I would differ. It has become the imputed omnipresent driver for much of human behavior when it truly isn't. Like the evening news' obsession with crime, it is discussed wholly out of proportion with its actual incidence.

TV is focused on it for the same reason. It's salacious, and long after the discussion of it is actually taboo, it still carries the titillation of perceived taboo like elementary students giggling at the mention of "fart."

It's not that sexuality isn't important, but it isn't anywhere near as important as endlessly sold in print, advertizements, humor, and television. At some point, this foment will subside and we'll get past the overkill that the sexual liberation and media age has caused.

We already have lots of movies that treat it in proportion to its real significance, and few of them need to depict it graphically to convey the realism. It's a private act. As such, it's perfectly natural to portray it as a private act, like bathing, defecating, picking lint from one's naval. We don't have to see it to understand it fully. And seeing it is often a distraction from the real story.

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[equalityboy81]

USA and UK is to obsessed about nudity.

Americans and Hollywood would much rather children see blood, guts, gore, graphic violence, torture, horror, and decapitation on the big screen than innocent nudity or a love making scene any day. With the UK it's the other way around I hear. The UK will censor graphic violence a lot quicker than the U.S. while the U.K. is much, much more relaxed about nudity even that of males.

 

[equalityboy81]

When it comes to Americans they throw heterosexual sex and women up in all the straight guys' faces on TV all the time while trying to tell teenage boys sex is bad and don't get girls pregnant, etc. The U.S. flaunts straight sex/women (since it sells) but suppresses it at the same time like in movies. They are AMBIVALENT when it comes to sex.

 

[equalityboy81]

No - that is a celebrity thing. Watching French and German Cinema you will see when nudity is used correctly. Not to shock, but part of the story.

It's shocking in the U.S. because the U.S. censors it so much. The U.S. is trying to make nudity/sexuality a bad thing.

 

[Kulindahr]

This a cultural... In many european movie, we see full frontal, well lit male nudity...

In the movie Schindler's list there is a scene in a concentration camp where all the jews are stripped naked before going to the gas chambers, and we see people fully naked, and when this masterpiece of a movie was shown on tv for the first time, then-senator Tom Coburn "said that in airing the film, NBC had brought television "to an all-time low, with full-frontal nudity, violence and profanity", adding that it was an insult to "decent-minded individuals everywhere" " (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schindler%27s_List#Controversies)

I agreed with his judgment but for different reasons: the movie was already watered down, because a big part of the Schindler story was how he managed to arm "his" Jews so if the Nazis tried to recapture them they'd have a chance.

As for Coburn, I found him an insult to decent-minded people everywhere.

 

[Kulindahr]

Most men grow up seeing other naked men, especially in high school and later in gyms and lockerrooms. Seeing it on the screen means nothing to them, but they probably wouldn't fork out the money to buy a ticket to see it.

Not any longer in the U.S. Even fraternities are replacing the common shower room with individual stalls.

 

[Kulindahr]

When it comes to Americans they throw heterosexual sex and women up in all the straight guys' faces on TV all the time while trying to tell teenage boys sex is bad and don't get girls pregnant, etc. The U.S. flaunts straight sex/women (since it sells) but suppresses it at the same time like in movies. They are AMBIVALENT when it comes to sex.

And then they wonder why we have sex crimes... American males are trained to be schizophrenic on the issue, and it shows.

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It's shocking in the U.S. because the U.S. censors it so much. The U.S. is trying to make nudity/sexuality a bad thing.

Not the U.S., just the loudmouthed busybody heirs of the Puritans.

Too bad that boat didn't sink in the Atlantic.

 

[gsdx]

Not any longer in the U.S. Even fraternities are replacing the common shower room with individual stalls.

It's been a few years since I was in high school... like, about 45 of them.

 

[equalityboy81]

Not any longer in the U.S. Even fraternities are replacing the common shower room with individual stalls.

For some reason all over the U.S. over night since sometime in the late 2000s there has been a fast movement to stall/curtain/wall all showers, put partitions between urinals, and re-do restrooms like only have a single restroom with one toilet with a urinal next to it instead of a restroom with stalls and urinals. Even on some military base gym showers they are stalling/walling/curtaining showers. Some places restroom/locker rooms/shower rooms/changing rooms didn't even need remodeling and I'm sure it costs places a pretty penny to re-do everything. I'm wondering what is the reason behind all this privacy oriented movement and whether it is a new form of homophobia and anti-nudity movement that was spawned from a backlash to the fast progress of gay rights. Of course posters on here think I'm crazy for thinking it has anything to do with straight men being afraid of being seen naked by gay men. Why are men afraid of being seen naked now when it wasn't a big deal before? In a way I think it is sort of unhealthy for all the new generations of guys to grow up and never know what another naked dude looks like. I think society/religion/politics/government for some reason wants males of all ages to be ashamed of their bodies, modest, and prudish and wants them to fear seeing the nudity of other males. If they think this is somehow going to keep future guys from "becoming" gay they have another thing coming. Gays were always here and there will always be more. We are here to stay! I would have still been gay and discovered I am gay even if I never saw another naked man in my life.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

For some reason all over the U.S. over night since sometime in the late 2000s there has been a fast movement to stall/curtain/wall all showers, put partitions between urinals, and re-do restrooms like only have a single restroom with one toilet with a urinal next to it instead of a restroom with stalls and urinals. Even on some military base gym showers they are stalling/walling/curtaining showers. Some places restroom/locker rooms/shower rooms/changing rooms didn't even need remodeling and I'm sure it costs places a pretty penny to re-do everything. I'm wondering what is the reason behind all this privacy oriented movement and whether it is a new form of homophobia and anti-nudity movement that was spawned from a backlash to the fast progress of gay rights. Of course posters on here think I'm crazy for thinking it has anything to do with straight men being afraid of being seen naked by gay men. Why are men afraid of being seen naked now when it wasn't a big deal before? In a way I think it is sort of unhealthy for all the new generations of guys to grow up and never know what another naked dude looks like. I think society/religion/politics/government for some reason wants males of all ages to be ashamed of their bodies, modest, and prudish and wants them to fear seeing the nudity of other males. If they think this is somehow going to keep future guys from "becoming" gay they have another thing coming. Gays were always here and there will always be more. We are here to stay! I would have still been gay and discovered I am gay even if I never saw another naked man in my life.

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[paulmodibe1920]

equalityboy81: Frame 72-Showers, shower room, etc. Excellent well thought out remarks. Another area of huge change in behavior. I was raised in a rural area of Kentucky and it was the standard that all the boys swam in a creek swimming hole or a pond on the farm in the nude. After we had no water in house, and we often bathed outdoors in the same streams of fresh running water. And the men of the family or small rural community often joined us. No other thought anything of it. This was in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

On my return visits to family and friends in that area today, no one or very few use the old swimming holes. It is a conservative area politically now and always conservative religiously. The change comes from the political realignment not the religious conservatism.
Strange, so I upset some aunt when I at 71 when nude swimming in my favorite swimming hole. This hole is very private because of the natural forest and undergrowth as in my youth. I was in total shock when a local preacher (a family member) ask me not to do it because of the influence on the boys and teens in the family and community. I could not believe it. My family has lived in that mountain area since 1790 and at one time anybody within 30 miles or more was a blood relative of some sort.

Times have changed with the expansion of "city water" in the rural areas, but they fact does not explain the societal change in outdoor swimming in the nude in secluded swimming holes. I find it totally sad and I told the minister and relative so.

My family has known for 40 years I am gay, but it as never been a problem (????) since other family members are also gay/lesbian. But I came away believing that it had something to do with the new attitude about nude outdoor swimming and bathing. SO SO SAD.

 

[equalityboy81]

Americans should really demand more nude beaches.

 

[paulmodibe1920]

Americans should really demand more nude beaches.

Bravo! Double Bravo!!

 

[chrisrobin]

Back in the day (1967) a book was published called The Naked Ape. (author Desmond Morris).

He was wondering why the word penis - something that shoots life is forbidden, but the word gun - which shoots death is not.

ANECDOTE WARNING:

At the cafeteria in one of my workplaces, a psychotic co-worker of mine and I were sitting at a square table. He insisted that we sit across from each because "someone will think we're gay." Go figure.

Extending this to the cinema, if a straight guy likes a movie with some frontal nudity, "someone will think he's gay."

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Back in the day (1967) a book was published called The Naked Ape. (author Desmond Morris).

He was wondering why the word penis - something that shoots life is forbidden, but the word gun - which shoots death is not.

ANECDOTE WARNING:

At the cafeteria in one of my workplaces, a psychotic co-worker of mine and I were sitting at a square table. He insisted that we sit across from each because "someone will think we're gay." Go figure.

Extending this to the cinema, if a straight guy likes a movie with some frontal nudity, "someone will think he's gay."

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_wata a wet it a true fa eons_

tinku

 

[equalityboy81]

ya just discova tis?
_wata a wet it a true fa eons_

tinku

Can this guy speak in English please or is there a translator on here or does he just purposely type together jumbled letters and made up words/slang that doesn't make sense? If I'm being rude I apologize but his posts are like reading hieroglyphics. Is this a true language he is typing in because his replies and grammar make no sense and their are some English words and shortened English words/English-like words in his posts so I don't buy he comes from a foreign nation.

Is he just being silly? Because he does it on literally every post.

 

[dpnice]

................................Is he just being silly? Because he does it on literally every post.

There are only a few of us capable of understanding his posts; we have all been here a long time.

You really need to be a graduate from one of the more prestigious universities to be capable of understanding the logic, wit and depth of Sloppy's comments.