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Kevin Spacey Charged With Felony Sexual Assault
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peeonme
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Sounds like he felt with his fingers. Speculation does nothing, what matters is if the act was consensual.
ChickenGuy
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Just read through this thread.
Why isn't there a class-action lawsuit being filed against him, either in the U.S. or the U.K. instead of having this shaky and dubious individual case? There have been multiple young men who came forward over here about his behaviour at the Old Vic theatre where he got a reputation for being a predatory sleazy creep - trying to entice them to sleep with him, then waking up on a sofa in the morning with him sprawled on top of them, etc.
I don't think they're helping bring his victims justice with this particular court case, it's filled with doubts about the victim's story and motive. It seems such a bad choice, legally speaking, to start with.
Why isn't there a class-action lawsuit being filed against him, either in the U.S. or the U.K. instead of having this shaky and dubious individual case? There have been multiple young men who came forward over here about his behaviour at the Old Vic theatre where he got a reputation for being a predatory sleazy creep - trying to entice them to sleep with him, then waking up on a sofa in the morning with him sprawled on top of them, etc.
I don't think they're helping bring his victims justice with this particular court case, it's filled with doubts about the victim's story and motive. It seems such a bad choice, legally speaking, to start with.
NotHardUp1
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Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
I don't mean a fan thread, just one about his scandal.
It should be a Hot Topic, not a celebrity thing.
There is so much wrapped up in the story and accusations that are in fact gay issues.
First, there is no pattern of underage assaults, only one 14-year-old's accusation and of a man who was admittedly drunk. I'm no fan of using alcohol as an excuse, but it does affect behavior, so is relevant when addressing questions of volition and discretion. To be sure, rape would still be rape, but that isn't the accusation.
And "sexual assault" has come to mean a lot of things. Many men on this forum have done exactly what Kevin Spacey is pilloried for, namely groping another male in a party situation or at a bar as a sort of pass, or overture. It certainly isn't done anywhere or to anyone, as it certainly would lead to getting bashed or shot. So, we do have a different standard for gay encounters than for public behavior in a non-sexual place.
Spacey is also accused by several former industry employees, as well as relatives of other celebrities, etc. What seems most relevant about them is the silence of the alleged victims, which is not questioned or challenged, as if they were rape victims or similar. That's bizarre. They aren't rape victims. They work in an industry which is not only gay friendly, but populated disproportionately by gay men.
The behaviors described indeed seem like workplace harassment, but it should be remembered that they were not his employees, nor his subordinates. Whether he was a cad or crude or not, that's not the same as an employee in fear of losing his job when outing the boss as a perv. It's just not.
And plenty of gay men are attracted to young men, and there is no magic line that appears when someone hits 21 or 18. It shouldn't be portrayed as pedophilia nor should straight men who are attracted to girls of the same age. It's biology. We observe societal norms to uphold other values, but pretending young post-adolescent bodies are not sexually appealing to the majority of men is rank hypocrisy.
And, although there may certainly be payoffs happenning behind the scenes, this Mitchell Garabedian case seems almost textbook in its appearance as an extortion attempt. He wasn't a minor when the incident took place, although maybe one in terms of alcohol consumption. His retraction of the civil suit looked like he'd been paid off, but the 5th amendment assertion in his criminal case seems quite the opposite, as if he were merely a gold digger hopping on the train before it left the station.
I'm not a fan nor a detractor of Kevin Spacey. I've liked the characters he has played, but have zero idea what the man is like. On the other hand, I've met over a dozen men from JUB in person and I've never gotten the impression from any of them that their backgrounds didn't include randy encounters, some of which may have later soured or even not been reciprocated or welcome. That is my impression of men in general, even when decent men, is that they bust a move sometime, and sometime they are wrong.
What about you? Is there an issue bigger than Spacey here? Is JUB being hypocritical by disowning him/it/the issue?
It feels like there is a sentiment to define gay encounters away from the behaviors that Spacey is accused of doing, but I seem to have met gays mostly who have done those behaviors, and heavy drinking was part of the scene. Is it a matter of evolution?
I found a good timeline of Spacey's apocalypse on the BBC site: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41884878
Details of the most recent criminal and civil suit involving Garabedian and his mother are here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-...ed-nantucket-sexual-assault-today-2019-07-05/
I don't mean a fan thread, just one about his scandal.
It should be a Hot Topic, not a celebrity thing.
There is so much wrapped up in the story and accusations that are in fact gay issues.
First, there is no pattern of underage assaults, only one 14-year-old's accusation and of a man who was admittedly drunk. I'm no fan of using alcohol as an excuse, but it does affect behavior, so is relevant when addressing questions of volition and discretion. To be sure, rape would still be rape, but that isn't the accusation.
And "sexual assault" has come to mean a lot of things. Many men on this forum have done exactly what Kevin Spacey is pilloried for, namely groping another male in a party situation or at a bar as a sort of pass, or overture. It certainly isn't done anywhere or to anyone, as it certainly would lead to getting bashed or shot. So, we do have a different standard for gay encounters than for public behavior in a non-sexual place.
Spacey is also accused by several former industry employees, as well as relatives of other celebrities, etc. What seems most relevant about them is the silence of the alleged victims, which is not questioned or challenged, as if they were rape victims or similar. That's bizarre. They aren't rape victims. They work in an industry which is not only gay friendly, but populated disproportionately by gay men.
The behaviors described indeed seem like workplace harassment, but it should be remembered that they were not his employees, nor his subordinates. Whether he was a cad or crude or not, that's not the same as an employee in fear of losing his job when outing the boss as a perv. It's just not.
And plenty of gay men are attracted to young men, and there is no magic line that appears when someone hits 21 or 18. It shouldn't be portrayed as pedophilia nor should straight men who are attracted to girls of the same age. It's biology. We observe societal norms to uphold other values, but pretending young post-adolescent bodies are not sexually appealing to the majority of men is rank hypocrisy.
And, although there may certainly be payoffs happenning behind the scenes, this Mitchell Garabedian case seems almost textbook in its appearance as an extortion attempt. He wasn't a minor when the incident took place, although maybe one in terms of alcohol consumption. His retraction of the civil suit looked like he'd been paid off, but the 5th amendment assertion in his criminal case seems quite the opposite, as if he were merely a gold digger hopping on the train before it left the station.
I'm not a fan nor a detractor of Kevin Spacey. I've liked the characters he has played, but have zero idea what the man is like. On the other hand, I've met over a dozen men from JUB in person and I've never gotten the impression from any of them that their backgrounds didn't include randy encounters, some of which may have later soured or even not been reciprocated or welcome. That is my impression of men in general, even when decent men, is that they bust a move sometime, and sometime they are wrong.
What about you? Is there an issue bigger than Spacey here? Is JUB being hypocritical by disowning him/it/the issue?
It feels like there is a sentiment to define gay encounters away from the behaviors that Spacey is accused of doing, but I seem to have met gays mostly who have done those behaviors, and heavy drinking was part of the scene. Is it a matter of evolution?
I found a good timeline of Spacey's apocalypse on the BBC site: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41884878
Details of the most recent criminal and civil suit involving Garabedian and his mother are here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-...ed-nantucket-sexual-assault-today-2019-07-05/
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
The only reason to ignore him is the same reason I have done it over all the years.
His slimy cowardice at hiding in the closet all those years.
His predatory behaviour founded in his sense of being a 'star' who could get away with anything he wanted to.
I've met enough men like him in real life to recognize a toxic sociopath.
I admire his acting skills on screen and don't plan on retroactively hating his performances because he got caught out, but nah....he just isn't worth the effort.
The only reason to ignore him is the same reason I have done it over all the years.
His slimy cowardice at hiding in the closet all those years.
His predatory behaviour founded in his sense of being a 'star' who could get away with anything he wanted to.
I've met enough men like him in real life to recognize a toxic sociopath.
I admire his acting skills on screen and don't plan on retroactively hating his performances because he got caught out, but nah....he just isn't worth the effort.
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
If a young woman stepped forward, and accused a respected lesbian actress of (allegedly) sexually assaulting her, nobody would give a shit. I mean, back in late 2017 some chick accused Melanie Martinez (she's not an actress, but whatever) of sexually assaulting her, and where did the case go? Nowhere. People forgot about it the very next day, and Martinez's career wasn't disintegrated like Mr. Spacey's.
Also, it's obvious that that one dude and his mom set him [Spacey] up.
If a young woman stepped forward, and accused a respected lesbian actress of (allegedly) sexually assaulting her, nobody would give a shit. I mean, back in late 2017 some chick accused Melanie Martinez (she's not an actress, but whatever) of sexually assaulting her, and where did the case go? Nowhere. People forgot about it the very next day, and Martinez's career wasn't disintegrated like Mr. Spacey's.
Also, it's obvious that that one dude and his mom set him [Spacey] up.
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
Mel Gibson has done a lot worse and still makes movies. Swimming with Sharks is a good reintroduction.
I've been groped and have groped. Lock me up!
https://www.qxmagazine.com/2019/01/opinion-the-gay-scenes-groping-problem/
FYI - the real crime here was the last season of HoC.
Mel Gibson has done a lot worse and still makes movies. Swimming with Sharks is a good reintroduction.
I've been groped and have groped. Lock me up!
https://www.qxmagazine.com/2019/01/opinion-the-gay-scenes-groping-problem/
FYI - the real crime here was the last season of HoC.
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
His work speaks for itself.
His work speaks for itself.
NotHardUp1
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
A friend stated there is a Kevin Spacey thread in Hot Topics and that it is found by limiting the search to "title only" and in the Advanced Search mode.
I searched for "Spacey" and then "Kevin Spacey" in the normal search and it called up a dozen threads that were all over the place, but not about Spacey. It is a truly shitty search engine that doesn't call up a thread about Spacey when you search using his names. Meh.
Lots of good actors are either addicts, abusers, or losers of various ilks. Historically, their performances were their measure. If being sexually aggressive is the unpardonable sin, then we need to sanction numerous members here. It is a double standard that a celebrity is assumed to be guilty because of the combination of his wealth and fame, when we would not be as harsh with a friend on the barstool one seat over from us.
A friend stated there is a Kevin Spacey thread in Hot Topics and that it is found by limiting the search to "title only" and in the Advanced Search mode.
I searched for "Spacey" and then "Kevin Spacey" in the normal search and it called up a dozen threads that were all over the place, but not about Spacey. It is a truly shitty search engine that doesn't call up a thread about Spacey when you search using his names. Meh.
Lots of good actors are either addicts, abusers, or losers of various ilks. Historically, their performances were their measure. If being sexually aggressive is the unpardonable sin, then we need to sanction numerous members here. It is a double standard that a celebrity is assumed to be guilty because of the combination of his wealth and fame, when we would not be as harsh with a friend on the barstool one seat over from us.
72-Jay
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
This thread of yours
The Kevin Spacey Charged With Felony Sexual Assault one in Hot Topics
And the Kevin Spacey [merged] one in Male Celebrity News & Celebrities Gossip
Now here's the interesting part...it says "Results 1 to 3 of 5 ". Where is result #4, and #5 ??
I just tried that search, and got 3 results:NotHardUp1 said:
This thread of yours
The Kevin Spacey Charged With Felony Sexual Assault one in Hot Topics
And the Kevin Spacey [merged] one in Male Celebrity News & Celebrities Gossip
Now here's the interesting part...it says "Results 1 to 3 of 5 ". Where is result #4, and #5 ??
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Re: Where's the Kevin Spacey thread?
Seriously, JUB's WAAAAAAAAAY behind other forums (even UKMIX got with the program, they were in this state).
That's an understatement tbh
Seriously, JUB's WAAAAAAAAAY behind other forums (even UKMIX got with the program, they were in this state).
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It sounds like the mother has boundary issues.
nipmuck
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What do Walmart and Kevin Spacey have in common ?
They both have boys' trousers half off.
They both have boys' trousers half off.
Latest from the BBC on this story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49025487