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LOST - parts that make you cry. *

But Juliet wasn't there in the original past and so the baby would not have lived, or if it had would have at least killed the mother. And also we don't know that Ethan was born on the island... when were we told that?



Yes she was there in the past because she is there now. Remember---you cannot change the past. Everything that is happening now, allREADY happened. (remember the skeletons of Jack and Kate in the cave?). So---for some reason, women started dying in childbirth sometime after the events going on now (1974). Maybe our Lost crew somehow accidentally had a hand in that....?
 
Well if she was in the past in 1974 how is she the same age in 2004?
And also, you don't know if that is Jack and Kate in the cave yet. And if it was they wouldn't still be alive in the future...
 
Well if she was in the past in 1974 how is she the same age in 2004?
And also, you don't know if that is Jack and Kate in the cave yet. And if it was they wouldn't still be alive in the future...

I think the easiest way to answer these questions (if there is an easy when you're talking time travel) is that people can exist multiple times within the same time period.

So Juliette would be her age as she is now, and a little girl (where she grew up) at the same time.

Same as the skeletons. If they're Jack and Kate, they died in the past, but their original time line selves would be young and never have visited the island yet.
 
So, basically, look at it as though there are multiple timelines. Within every timeline people will live their lives as they would?
 
^ correct. Sawyer from 2008 (with all of his experience and memories) is in 1974.

as far as them "changing" things, i think they will reveal that they can now that they're actually IN 74 and not just "flashing" through. i mean, grown Charlotte remembered Daniel telling her not to go back to the island, so he apparently changed things (because he wasn't "supposed" to be in 74 to tell her that).

does that make sense?
 
^ correct. Sawyer from 2008 (with all of his experience and memories) is in 1974.

as far as them "changing" things, i think they will reveal that they can now that they're actually IN 74 and not just "flashing" through. i mean, grown Charlotte remembered Daniel telling her not to go back to the island, so he apparently changed things (because he wasn't "supposed" to be in 74 to tell her that).

does that make sense?


Actually No, Daniel did NOT change things from the past. Charlotte DID go back to the Island, and DID end up dying. Yes Daniel was MEANT to go back into the past, or else he would not have been there to tell her that. As they stressed in the beginning of the series, you cannot change the past, or what future is meant to happen. I think that (with two seasons left) the Lost crew that we have been following will stay in 1974 and became part of the Dharma Initiative---finding themselves forced thru circumstances beyond their control---setting up everything on the Island that eventually happens.
I have read that they are going to meet up with a young teenage Ben Linus, and end up using and betraying him.....causing him to become the Ben we know now. Abd before you ask----"how come Ben does not remember meeting the Losties before?!".....how do you know he doesn't? It would explain how confident he is about everything going on......and his hatered toward the Losties....
 
I think we'll get to see a scene with someone from the future meeting someone from the past and see how it ends...


If u remember s1 or 2 there's a lot of hole in the plots where the writers could fit the scene...

and i'm pretty sure Ben knows everything already and remember the losties


I have a weird feeling about LOST know... its almost like if the serie has begun again and just started.. like we're bout to see hug ethings coming just like we felt back in S1
 
Obviously we have different opinions on what a good Lost episode is, as opposed to watching different shows.

And considering that you loved this week's episode, and I thought it was only mildly interesting at best, I'd say your statement is accurate. But, I guess that what makes this such a great show. There are so many subplots and themes; different people are bound to have their favorites.
 
I think the easiest way to visually represent the way time travel works (in my opinion) is with a piece of string. Feel free to follow along with this at home for a hands on visual.

Think of the string as someone's path through time. Stretch the string out so it forms a straight line. Mark the general beginning and end of this line. The string should always stay more or less parallel to this line. The straight line would be the timeline, with the beginning of the string representing the person's birth on the timeline, and the end their death.

When you get a place where they moved backwards in time, you would take the exact position they would have been on the string and cut it. You then take the newly cut piece and move it to where they went back to on the timeline. You now have two strings (still representing the same person) that overlap at a certain point on the timeline.

If they move forward, you do the same thing, only this time instead of overlap, you get a gap, where they weren't anywhere in the timeline.


So you end up with something like this:

2000 -Person A is born.

2005 -Person A turns 5 years old, on the same day a 45 year old Person A shows up from the future.

2010 -Person A turns 10, while the Person A from the future turns 55.

2045 -Person A grows up to be 45, and goes back in time to the year 2005. Person A from the future is now 90.

2050 -Person A dies at the age of 95.


There's some overlap, but ultimately this person only lived one lifetime, even if it was compressed into 50 years. I think getting into separate timelines and dimensions only serves to complicate things more than they need to be. Of course, they may need to be complicated in that way, but from what we currently know, I doubt it.
 
Boy that's confusing...;) But I think I understand.

But what I think LOST is trying to show is that--when dealing with time/time travel/time loop---is that everything has already happened and cannot be changed. I think that now that they are in the past, (where I hope they will stay), is that their actions will set up everything that they were fighting against, and dealing with, in the "present/future".
 
Yeah I agree w/t u john

everything's written in stone. that's the motto for LOST
 
And considering that you loved this week's episode, and I thought it was only mildly interesting at best, I'd say your statement is accurate. But, I guess that what makes this such a great show. There are so many subplots and themes; different people are bound to have their favorites.

Yeah and even better; that means it doesn't really have any bad episodes... some people will always like some episodes more than others and judging by what we have just found out, they must all be good but appeal to different people.:D
 
I think the easiest way to visually represent the way time travel works (in my opinion) is with a piece of string. Feel free to follow along with this at home for a hands on visual.

Think of the string as someone's path through time. Stretch the string out so it forms a straight line. Mark the general beginning and end of this line. The string should always stay more or less parallel to this line. The straight line would be the timeline, with the beginning of the string representing the person's birth on the timeline, and the end their death.

When you get a place where they moved backwards in time, you would take the exact position they would have been on the string and cut it. You then take the newly cut piece and move it to where they went back to on the timeline. You now have two strings (still representing the same person) that overlap at a certain point on the timeline.

If they move forward, you do the same thing, only this time instead of overlap, you get a gap, where they weren't anywhere in the timeline.


So you end up with something like this:

2000 -Person A is born.

2005 -Person A turns 5 years old, on the same day a 45 year old Person A shows up from the future.

2010 -Person A turns 10, while the Person A from the future turns 55.

2045 -Person A grows up to be 45, and goes back in time to the year 2005. Person A from the future is now 90.

2050 -Person A dies at the age of 95.


There's some overlap, but ultimately this person only lived one lifetime, even if it was compressed into 50 years. I think getting into separate timelines and dimensions only serves to complicate things more than they need to be. Of course, they may need to be complicated in that way, but from what we currently know, I doubt it.

I like how you explained it :D
Makes a lot more sense. :kiss:
 
and i'm pretty sure Ben knows everything already and remember the losties

I think that's quite interesting! Would explain why he let them leave...
Also, that means he is working for a higher power and they have to go back to go through what they went through in the past. I agree with you JOHN B, now. They just have to live through whatever the island has for them. They don't have a choice - isn't that what Eloise told Desmond?
 
Ben is just getting cooler and cooler. I hope he does not get killed off. I do not think Ben realized who was on the plane (losties original) when it crashed. But when he saw them he realized who they were, and started putting the pieces together long before anyone else. He had an idea---which is why he originally searched out Juliet and brought her to the Island. I think I see where things are going..... Now his obsession with Juliet makes sense. He met her as a child, and developed a "child's crush" on this older woman (Juliet now in 1974) who befriends him. She, and the other 1974 Losties are going to use him for their own purposes, and end up betraying him. Didn't Ben in "now" time, have a painting or something, of a woman who looked just like her? Thats because it WAS her!
I honestly wonder if the producers knew exactly where this show was going from the beginning, or if they just made things up as they went along, and luckily things just happen to connect. This show is so complex that if this was all planned ahead of time, it probably took months to get worked out before they even began filming.....
 
The writers knew the basic plot outline - like how each season was going to be set up. They obviously didn't think about the relationships - I don't think - they came into play with the writers.

I don't think Ben is going to get killed off, I think Juliet will. I'll hate it but I think if anyone is going to go it will be her...

Kate is going to steal Sawyer back!!!Bitch! No, I won't let it happen. Please James, Jim, Sawyer, La Fleur, have a conscience!
 
Ben is very important, and I dont think they can kill him off right now

The writers problly didnt know the outcome of the series as it begun in 2004 but I do think that thy put pieces together perfectly. ANd we know that since s4 (actually S3) they have the whole storie already wrap it up. SO they know where they're going & whatt might happened

Juliet is gonna get killed pretty soon IMO. I m also thinking she will die back in 1974 and will never make it to the present again
 
....if the Losties are "stuck" in 1974 and will live out their lives there and can't get back to the present then there's no way they cold not affect/change the future because they're no way what we saw in the "present" at the beginning of the series can happen. they would all be 40 years older.
 
I think they'll eventually go back to the presente...

i'll be kinda disappointed if until the end of the show they're stuck at the dharma era


Maybe they'll change things, but DAn said "what happened, happened" way too much for them to change things up that easily
 
I hate thinking that Juliet might die soon... her and her many hairstyle changes has won my heart as the best character in the show.

I don't see how they'll get back to the present without aging 40 years. Unless someone sacrifices themself to move the island again and it's the right person I don't see how it's possible. But Sun and Ben and stuff are all in the present are they not? Or do we not know yet what time they are in?

And Dan also said that's where they are permanently so, if you believe they can't change things, like he said also, then you should believe this too. :D
 
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