Male model charged with murder of gay activist

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

It was NOT a hookup. They WERE, in fact, dating for about 3 months.
Carlos' friends (journalists, politicians, jet set, etc) have met Renato in different occasions. One of them went to their place with them and reported that they didn't want to go with him for a walk 'cause they were tired. They then went to the bedroom, according to them, to take a nap.

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[belamyi]

I think this thread is getting ready for mod clean-up.

 

[Beachguyj]

The old man was clearly some sort of sicko. Did he deserve to have what happened to him? I don't know. If he was grooming young men, barely men, 20 is quite young and still impressionable... There was possibly a lot more going on then we know about. And what if the family's claims of the young man's heterosexuality is true? How long do you think a straight man can allow himself to be molested before he snaps?

Pedos never heal. They never get over their mental disorder.

As long as the guy is over 18 there is nothing wrong with it. A pedo wants to have sex with underage kids. The thing is you don't allow yourself to be molested at 20 if you become a hooker it's your own fault. If you are really straight and want to become a hooker there are cougars and older ladies that are looking for dick to buy. A straight man could not get it up for an old unattractive man.

the sicko is the one who kills a person and cuts their genitals off, he deserves the death penalty.

 

[belamyi]

A straight man could not get it up for an old unattractive man.

That's why they bottom.





















In fact, most "straight" or "bi" can not get it up for young, attractive men either... it happens even to young healthy gay tops...

 

[belamyi]

The old man was clearly some sort of sicko.

If someone even wonders how there can be people who think that gay people or sexually powerful women are psychotic monsters, here you have another example of the same mental modus cacandi.

 

[FanofFiction]

Hefner is a pedo too in my totally honest opinion.

Brain development is different for everybody. The fact is, you can be molested at age 20. That's not my opinion, that is the opinion of the APA.

You don't cut someone's dick off over a shopping trip gone wrong. You cut someone's dick off either because you- yourself are a crazy person OR because you have been violated or taken advantage of in some way.

Just because the law says 18 is alright, doesn't mean it is alright. The kid could have had the mentality of a 13 year old, a 15 year old, or a 16 year old. The legal age of consent in Canada a few years ago was 14!! Does that mean it would be okay to go out and start fucking 14 year olds if you are 60? I don't think so. Legal age here is now up to 16, does that mean it's okay? I still don't think so.

If the model just shot the guy in the chest, I would lean more towards him just using an old man and being a prick. The fact that he went the extra mile and tortured him, leads me to believe something much more sinister transpired.

 

[FanofFiction]

I see you skipped the second line where I said the killer himself might have been crazy?

Convenient. Nice. Got it.

No, but for real, think about it. Basic psychology. You don't fish fillet someone for no reason. The fact the man was tortured and dismembered DOES suggest that the victim did something to instigate the crime.

 

[belamyi]

Hefner is a pedo too in my totally honest opinion.

Brain development is different for everybody. The fact is, you can be molested at age 20. That's not my opinion, that is the opinion of the APA.

Up to 1973, the American Psychiatric Association had classified homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Hefner is a pedo too in my totally honest opinion.

Without intending to defend Hefner, that part of your "opinion" is an opinable opinion too.
That's my totally honest opinion.

Brain development is different for everybody.

It's good that you are aware of that, I only wonder to what extent you are so...

You don't cut someone's dick off over a shopping trip gone wrong. You cut someone's dick off either because you- yourself are a crazy person OR because you have been violated or taken advantage of in some way.

Just because the law says 18 is alright, doesn't mean it is alright. The kid could have had the mentality of a 13 year old, a 15 year old, or a 16 year old. The legal age of consent in Canada a few years ago was 14!! Does that mean it would be okay to go out and start fucking 14 year olds if you are 60? I don't think so. Legal age here is now up to 16, does that mean it's okay? I still don't think so.

It's very reasonable to point out how irrational borderlines can be for those who don't know better and can't deal with the complexities of reality, but are you suggesting that borderlines should simply be enlarged, at least in some cases? What about 25?

If the model just shot the guy in the chest, I would lean more towards him just using an old man and being a prick. The fact that he went the extra mile and tortured him, leads me to believe something much more sinister transpired.

You're a believer.

 

[FanofFiction]

I think it's hilarious that people are attacking me over this. Really. I don't support old men or women going out with people who are barely legal. I am sorry that I made the observation that livid sexual aggression is usually the result of torture (either mental or physical). If my education makes me seem young and/or stupid to you I suppose you were probably a Bush voter. Education doesn't make you stupid.

 

[Fucker29]

I see you skipped the second line where I said the killer himself might have been crazy?

Convenient. Nice. Got it.

No, but for real, think about it. Basic psychology. You don't fish fillet someone for no reason. The fact the man was tortured and dismembered DOES suggest that the victim did something to instigate the crime.

Um...no, it doesn't suggest such a thing. Not necessarily. If we all followed that logic, then raped women must have done something to provoke the rapist...battered women must have done something to provoke their husbands, etc, etc, etc.


Certain statements from Renato suggest actually that he's in denial of his own sexuality. There's been many cases where a guy who hasn't come to terms with who he is sexually becomes dangerous to the guy whom he's fooled around with. Quite frankly, I think that's what happened.

Anyone who does what he did has something wrong with them before any sort of provocation.

 

[FanofFiction]

No. I read all of what you said.

You said that someone would only do such a thing because they're either crazy or some traumatic happened to them that made them do it. But then suggest that the person he murdered had to have done something for him to do such a thing. Which is weird because you have nothing to base that on at all.

And I would say you're psychotic/crazy if you're solution to anything is to cut their manhood off. Reasons are excuses when it comes to Murder.

No no no. Either you misread or you read what you wanted out of it.

Reason one- the killer himself was crazy...

OR (second time I had to capitalize this to simplify it for you)

Reason 2- The killer was mentally or physically tortured himself.

Reason two is not justiifiable at all. But it would be grounds to plead temporary insanity.

 

[belamyi]

I think it's hilarious that people are attacking me over this. Really.

It's a hilarious thread, what did you expect. Really. No, REALLY.

Education doesn't make you stupid.

That depends on what call an "education"... there are many sorts of views on that, and very different "educational" centers and institutions, you know.

 

[FanofFiction]

Anyone who does what he did has something wrong with them before any sort of provocation.

That's sometimes true. But that is not always the case. For instance, in New Brunswick there was recently a case where a 15 year old girl was being molested by a much older man. Friend of the family or something I believe. It eventually drove her insane and she went Friday the 13th on the guy.

A case in Ontario from when I was in high school (ten years ago) a wife was raped and beaten by her husband so many times, she cut off his penis. She wasn't crazy beforehand.... but that's what torture will do to a person.

 

[belamyi]

No, but for real, think about it. Basic psychology. You don't fish fillet someone for no reason. The fact the man was tortured and dismembered DOES suggest that the victim did something to instigate the crime.

Shall we consider "basic" phrenology too?

 

[belamyi]

That's sometimes true. But that is not always the case. For instance, in New Brunswick there was recently a case where a 15 year old girl was being molested by a much older man. Friend of the family or something I believe. It eventually drove her insane and she went Friday the 13th on the guy.

A case in Ontario from when I was in high school (ten years ago) a wife was raped and beaten by her husband so many times, she cut off his penis. She wasn't crazy beforehand.... but that's what torture will do to a person.

Yeah, that's right, but why all that effort in all that might be or have been, particularly all that might be in one particular direction (defense of the suspected killer) rather than other directions?

 

[FanofFiction]

There's really only two possibly directions in a case like this with whatever knowledge we have via the news article.

1- The kid was just a nutbar from the getgo. Had some hang ups and self hate over being gay and took it out on somebody else who was gay... a la Gacy or Dahmer

Or option 2- This option is more likely statistically.

When I made my original post, I just wanted people to be aware there was a chance that it's not just a simple case of crazy kid kills harmless old man.

But people jumped on me and tried to twist what I said.

I'm not saying for sure that it was option 2, I am just saying that it could be.

 

[Fucker29]

That's sometimes true. But that is not always the case. For instance, in New Brunswick there was recently a case where a 15 year old girl was being molested by a much older man. Friend of the family or something I believe. It eventually drove her insane and she went Friday the 13th on the guy.

A case in Ontario from when I was in high school (ten years ago) a wife was raped and beaten by her husband so many times, she cut off his penis. She wasn't crazy beforehand.... but that's what torture will do to a person.

If Carlos, in fact, did do something like torture, which I HIGHLY doubt, we'll soon know.


BUT so far, consideration the information that's been made availabe (I live in Portugal so I probably get more detailed information regarding the case that most of you don't...this is the BIG THING right now here), it appears as if Carlos didn't do much to provoke, if anything at all.

They had a fight prior the crime because Renato was giving his phone number out to some girls in the hotel's lobby. Carlos called a NY friend of his and told her what happened and that he was pissed off about it.
The day before the crime or so, witnesses recall hearing them fight about money.

Right after he killed Carlos, Renato was about to leave the hotel when he bumped into Carlos' friend from NY and her daughter 'cause they were all supposed to go out together and she asked him where Carlos, to which Renato replied "Carlos ain't leaving the hotel room anymore". She asked "What? What do you mean he's not leaving the room anymore?" and he repeated "Carlos ain't leaving the hotel room anymore" and hurried out the hotel.

Also, Carlos and Renato were supposed to come back to Portugal on wednesday but Renato wanted to come back earlier, on sunday. Apparently, they fought 'cause of this as well. A friend from Portugal says Carlos called her telling her they would come back sooner, on sunday after all. She says he sounded sad.



Sorry if it's confusing. Just giving information that's been available recently and writing as I recall everything I can.

 

[Fucker29]

Of course it's possible. But so far, the information available doesn't suggest that.

In any case, we'll soon know much more.

 

[SilverWolf]

If Carlos, in fact, did do something like torture, which I HIGHLY doubt, we'll soon know.


BUT so far, consideration the information that's been made availabe (I live in Portugal so I probably get more detailed information regarding the case that most of you don't...this is the BIG THING right now here), it appears as if Carlos didn't do much to provoke, if anything at all.

They had a fight prior the crime because Renato was giving his phone number out to some girls in the hotel's lobby. Carlos called a NY friend of his and told her what happened and that he was pissed off about it.
The day before the crime or so, witnesses recall hearing them fight about money.

Right after he killed Carlos, Renato was about to leave the hotel when he bumped into Carlos' friend from NY and her daughter 'cause they were all supposed to go out together and she asked him where Carlos, to which Renato replied "Carlos ain't leaving the hotel room anymore". She asked "What? What do you mean he's not leaving the room anymore?" and he repeated "Carlos ain't leaving the hotel room anymore" and hurried out the hotel.

Also, Carlos and Renato were supposed to come back to Portugal on wednesday but Renato wanted to come back earlier, on sunday. Apparently, they fought 'cause of this as well. A friend from Portugal says Carlos called her telling her they would come back sooner, on sunday after all. She says he sounded sad.



Sorry if it's confusing. Just giving information that's been available recently and writing as I recall everything I can.

http://www.edgeonthenet.com/?114880

A slightly more updated article that confirms what Fucker29 is saying.

 

[Beachguyj]

Hefner is a pedo too in my totally honest opinion.

Brain development is different for everybody. The fact is, you can be molested at age 20. That's not my opinion, that is the opinion of the APA.

You don't cut someone's dick off over a shopping trip gone wrong. You cut someone's dick off either because you- yourself are a crazy person OR because you have been violated or taken advantage of in some way.

Just because the law says 18 is alright, doesn't mean it is alright. The kid could have had the mentality of a 13 year old, a 15 year old, or a 16 year old. The legal age of consent in Canada a few years ago was 14!! Does that mean it would be okay to go out and start fucking 14 year olds if you are 60? I don't think so. Legal age here is now up to 16, does that mean it's okay? I still don't think so.

If the model just shot the guy in the chest, I would lean more towards him just using an old man and being a prick. The fact that he went the extra mile and tortured him, leads me to believe something much more sinister transpired.

That is retarded logic and an insult to victims of pedophiles.